Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?
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You can't say short term research isn't a good source to show the benefits/lack of negatives for vaping because we're able to find out things in a matter of months or single digit years that would've taken us 100 years to find out.
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Here's my take at it. Life is all about risks, every time you ask a girl out, make an investment, or cross the street, go on a plane, etc...
When we smoked, we were taking a 1/5 chance of obtaining lung cancer at advanced age. We can of course quit but it's impossible for many. Then we get into the trade offs of quitting: less pleasure, more boredom, more stress.
vaping is a little different. Risk wise, it can't be worse than smoking. PG and VG can't be as bad as tar and cadmium, I would think.
So if you are not going to quit, and you are going to have to take a risk anyway, would you take a 1/5 chance of getting cancer? or x% chance or getting cancer? x could be anything from 0 to 1/5.
Here's my take at it. Life is all about risks, every time you ask a girl out, make an investment, or cross the street, go on a plane, etc...
When we smoked, we were taking a 1/5 chance of obtaining lung cancer at advanced age. We can of course quit but it's impossible for many. Then we get into the trade offs of quitting: less pleasure, more boredom, more stress.
vaping is a little different. Risk wise, it can't be worse than smoking. PG and VG can't be as bad as tar and cadmium, I would think.
So if you are not going to quit, and you are going to have to take a risk anyway, would you take a 1/5 chance of getting cancer? or x% chance or getting cancer? x could be anything from 0 to 1/5.
Haven't read through all the posts but I share many of your concerns about trading one bad habit for another. I guess it boils down to harm reduction and figuring out a goal for yourself. My goal was just to quit the analogs completely. At some point, I plan to stop vaping as well but for now it's gotten to be a bit of a hobby. My first goal will be to get down to 0 nicotine. I'm giving myself 3 months.
The way I see it, there are guys on here that have had a 3-4 year head start on us. If they start dying off, then we'll at least have a heads up...
The way I see it, there are guys on here that have had a 3-4 year head start on us. If they start dying off, then we'll at least have a heads up...
Very interesting Uma. Censorship that will limit access to studies on vaping?
Will most likely never happen. No patent or money available on nicotine. No cash no intrest for pharmaceutical companies.
If you're looking for the health hazards of vaping then I don't think you'll find the problem with the liquids (At least not reputable ones using FDA approved ingredients).
I think the real health hazards of vaping for most people is the equipment itself.
We all know about the tank cracking juices, but rather than looking at that for a toxin, instead look at why the tank cracked. It cracked because it's made of polycarbonate. Polycarbonates leach bisphenol A (BPA) into liquids. BPA causes cardiovascular disease and diabetes in humans.
How many people use polycarbonate clearos?
I think the real health hazards of vaping for most people is the equipment itself.
We all know about the tank cracking juices, but rather than looking at that for a toxin, instead look at why the tank cracked. It cracked because it's made of polycarbonate. Polycarbonates leach bisphenol A (BPA) into liquids. BPA causes cardiovascular disease and diabetes in humans.
How many people use polycarbonate clearos?
Asking people to answer their own questions disingenuous? It may be called learning? Or realization? Or ... ? Google the phrase "question everything quote"
Some of them.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning"
If I had an hour to solve a problem and my life depended on the answer, I would spend the first 55 minutes figuring out the proper questions to ask. For if I knew the proper questions, I could solve the problem in less than 5 minutes."
Question everything
"Nothing is so firmly believed as what we least know."
"In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual."
"Don't just teach your children to read. Teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything."
Question everything. Learn something. Answer nothing.
"Question everything, and then once youve questioned everything about your life, question the reason why you read so damn much"
Hours more out there. One smile to anyone who can identify the people quoted.
Love it
It would be nice to import this man as a speaker.
Or encourage politians to grow a set of
Great find. I kind of want to see more, or the reaction to his submition.
Honestly would not have believed this, someone ignoring kickbacks to do something honest.
Thank you.
SLOW DOWN!!!
IMO thats much too fast, especially if you smoked a pack or more a day for any length of time. It isnt a race.
Thats one of the great things about vaping, you arent pigeonholed at set mgs of nicotine like the patch or recommended to quit in x amount of months. You can wean yourself off slowly and at your own pace
In my experience its less of a shock to the body and more successful that way.
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I agree.
I've questioned everything. I've read the original research papers in their full and original form. There is no room for any doubt: vaping is safer than smoking.
Questions are good things when they are genuine questions. Genuine questions are asked as a first step to learning the answers. Having asked questions and being offered extensive evidence of the answers, a questioner will have learned more. Questions are not ends in themselves. By continuing to defend the doubt that you still profess, having been given clear and evidenced answers, the questioner shows they are not seeking knowledge but are instead trying to sow fear uncertainty and doubt.
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Well spoken!
It should have been evident to anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension and a firm grasp of reality that the OP's intent was malign.
I hate that the biggest claims against vaping are all based on the basic idea "we just don't know". There is no logical step that when you don't know it must be dangerous. The OP says its a lie to say its safer than cigarettes. We know whats NOT in e liquid thats for sure. I have a hard time believing food safe chemicals could be more harmful than formaldehyde, tar, fiberglass, etc. So how is it a lie? I'll be the first to eat my words when I'm dying in the hospital but I'm quite certain its not a vape conspiracy hah!
It's not just about death beds there is also quality of life. Many have reported being able to walk a flight of stairs without getting winded. A huge pro that many smokers can prove for themselves in a few short weeks of vaping.
What lengths will the politicians and Big Tobacco go to in order to keep people dying to pay tobacco taxes? We just don't know.
How heavily is Big Tobacco lining the pockets of the politicians? We just don't know.
How many millions of MSA dollars are cities being bribed with to include vaping in smoking bans? We just don't know.
How long will politicians keep covering up the fact that tobacco taxes are a huge profit center and much more important to them than public health? We just don't know.
At my last physical my family doctor (who is well aware of and supportive of my vaping) said that I showed all the vital signs of a non smoker of 35. Which is pretty damn good considering I am 44 years old. 
Before I left he marked me down on the insurance form as a non-smoker as well.
Guess he must be a liar too.
Before I left he marked me down on the insurance form as a non-smoker as well.
Guess he must be a liar too.
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