Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?

[stevegmu]

I keep hearing about Big tobacco, yet if one actually looks up their political contributions, one will see they have dwindled down to being insignificant, as of late. They also mostly give to the party that that is not responsible for the vast majority of vaping legislation.
One also has to ask, if Big tobacco had such an influence, how did so much anti smoking legislation and prohibitions pass over the past 10 years? I guess everyone needs a boogeyman and Big Tobacco seems to be the preferred choice. A little bit of research would show otherwise...

 

[mike3891]

So I just switched less than a week ago and some research on my own (Google/YouTube) has convinced me vaping is "better" for my health. I at least am feeling better. Went from a pack a day to 5 or less pretty much overnight. The only reason I've had more than one a day is cause I was having issues with my setup not working. The one day I went completely back to regular smokes cause my setup was dead. I felt horrible... couldn't breathe... tasted nasty... etc.

Here's some videos I found interesting:

Still Smoking? Watch This (HD Full Length) - YouTube
ECCR Xtra: Tobacco Smoke vs. Vapor - YouTube


I haven't read all 31 pages of this thread so sorry if this is a repeat of someone else's post.

 

[FourWinds]

Love it
It would be nice to import this man as a speaker.
Or encourage politians to grow a set of
Great find. I kind of want to see more, or the reaction to his submition.
Honestly would not have believed this, someone ignoring kickbacks to do something honest.
Thank you.

Here's a link to Matt Ridley's homepage...Well, I've liked to an article he wrote for The Times in England, but you can read other things he's interested in from this starting point:

Smoking (and European regulation) kills - Matt Ridley

 

[rurwin]

I have a feeling that it's not BT that we have a problem with. They can adjust to a vaping world and they can provide the nicotine. It's BP and the brain-washed ANTZ that are driving anti-vaping legislation. Not that BT is altogether our friend either. Once they get wind that nicotine is not as addictive when it's by itself, we could have a fight on our hands. Maybe BT is working against us, but if so they will be hiding behind astroturf ANTZ, because nobody takes their direct lobbying seriously any more.

 

[zapped]

I have a feeling that it's not BT that we have a problem with. They can adjust to a vaping world and they can provide the nicotine. It's BP and the brain-washed ANTZ that are driving anti-vaping legislation. Not that BT is altogether our friend either. Once they get wind that nicotine is not as addictive when it's by itself, we could have a fight on our hands. Maybe BT is working against us, but if so they will be hiding behind astroturf ANTZ, because nobody takes their direct lobbying seriously any more.

I cant speak for all of BT but I recently participated in a paid feedback session for a survey funded by Altria/Phillip Morris.

The survey asked questions about our vaping habits such as how much juice we use every day, what flavors we like and how many mgs of nicotine we used.

Some of the questions were woefully inadequate and showed that they havent yet done all their homework in regards to ecigs. Case in point, one of the questions asked how many bottles of ejuice I used a month without specifying the size of the bottles.I go through a 100ml every three weeks or so but without setting the right paremeters it would look like I use less than someone who goes through 4 10ml bottles a month.


The researcher was very interested in my Phiniac carto tank and my Provari. She'd never seen anything like it and led me to believe that Altria is working on cig-alikes to be introudced to the market VERY soon.

Based on that reason alone, I dont think they are as against us as many people would think as that would be counterproductive.

 

[Racehorse]

I guess it boils down to harm reduction

For me, that's exactly what I feel most comfortable with.

In using that phrase, I feel I am neither over-stating or under-stating what vaping is.
It takes into consideration all the things we know--- as well as what we don't know.

In framing a vaping philosophy, this is the phrase I always think of, and use, and one that I feel is honest.

If I don't go over the moon and make further claims for or against vaping, it's because I do think of it as harm reduction. That's what it has been for me.

I have never been willing to call it anything else, and until it is officially called something else, I will continue in that rather "conservative vein".

 

[Joe P.]

I agree. You never answered your The OP never answer their own questions, and nobody else asked any.

I've questioned everything. I've read the original research papers in their full and original form. There is no room for any doubt: vaping is safer than smoking.

I've questioned everything. Good start, love it. Good thing we are all this honest.

Answering ones own questions imply another thing. David Koresh, Adolf, Benito Mussolini and many others asked questions and told people the answers, must be okay to do this then right? The OP asked a question, "Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?". Many went on a major rage leaving comments with no real contribution, pretty sure this is the behavior called trolling. Some posts seemed happy the poster left or changed their name. Posing a question and hearing all sides, it is called a debate. To bully someone into submission is as it is, shameful. To continue attacking, well as a question it answers it self. When a person defeats their own stand, it is called humor. The EVIL ingredients in tobacco, many of the "flavors" appear in juice, not a surprise. Statistics, always a wonderful way to sway truth how you want it. To say juice has less than five ingredients (assuming it is flavored) is just out right bunk. Okay maybe cotton candy but it appears on the tobacco list and in real cotton candy so it must be bad. To continue to poke the OP seems very childish and immature if the question(s) asked only warranted simple yes or no or even if it required a longer answer. People often ask silly questions. Gentle well thought answers are always better than ridicule and ostracizing them. To defend this post (debate) is easy, too easy. To count the number of "lies" in this post is hard. I would think he got his answer. Nothing to do with vaping being safe it is those that claim vaping is safe if you read the question. And what ever someone wants to call a lie so be it. There are many bad things about vaping not even touched on. Is vaping in any way similar to inhalers or medical nebulizers? No. (Please read about them) Inhalers or medical nebulizers do NOT burn the products vapors vape. I did double check and found these little coil thingies inside each vaping device I own and they glow red. (Quite evenly with no hot spots happy to say) I have yet to hear a reply to the "well informed comment" about Do I own any polycarbonate drinking glasses. Loved it. (Very tepmted to comment further here as plastic is a very new product.
I am very happy to not be smoking now. Vaping should not (In a perfect world) require any defense. For the paranoid people, with the attacks on vaping it should be self evident whom it is that opposes vaping. Do not claim Government as "we" all voted. I sincerely think SleeZy's post was the best post found related to the questions in this post, Thank you again SleeZy for sharing such an awesome find. Note the number of people in the chamber. I bet eggplants triple in price (to those who actually watched it).

 

[Joe P.]

Here's a link to Matt Ridley's homepage...Well, I've liked to an article he wrote for The Times in England, but you can read other things he's interested in from this starting point:

Smoking (and European regulation) kills.-.Matt Ridley

Would love to like this, not sure how one can, the link is broken?


On another note
Do politicians get kickbacks?
Not at all, Santa would kick their

 

[rurwin]

One thing that makes it all but certain that the OP a troll and not an honest vaper looking for the truth: The thread title is not in any way supported by the questions he asks.

Not even the most fervent of ANti-Tobacco Zealots puts forward any evidence that vaping is more dangerous than smoking. None of the questions in the OP even suggest that it is. And yet that is the title of the thread. It is designed to put that thought in people's head, without requiring it to be supported by evidence.

It's human hacking at its most insidious.

 

[Mousey]

This thread is getting increasingly hard to read on mobile xD

So we're in agreement, OP is ANTZ, hence his/her departure from the thread after... The third post or so?

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[SleeZy]

Yepp, we've not seen any replies from the topic starter in a long while now.
Guess it all got to hot for him to handle.

 

[molimelight]

More people should be like this man, he's not even a smoker. Check this out:

Mr. Ridley is wonderful! A rational, reasoned argument against precautionary regulation. I loved the experiment of splitting the country and calling the side of the country that regulated E-Cigs, "East Germany!" He knocks down every fallacy that is put forth by those who wish to regulate and names their allegiance to Big Pharma or Big Tobacco. Harkens me back to my debate team days, although I was never this good.

 

[Criticalmass]

I don't believe PG is used in asthma inhalers anymore.

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[FourWinds]

Would love to like this, not sure how one can, the link is broken?


On another note
Do politicians get kickbacks?
Not at all, Santa would kick their

His whole site seems to be down. The link will work at some point; it did when I posted it. Just google Matt Ridley at some point to find it all again.

 

[Hypatia]

To me saying that I'm feeling better doesn't mean much. Did any of you feel the effects of smoking after only a few months? Reading about the effects of diacetyl is scary and it's contained in a lot of juices

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Where are you getting your juice that contains diacetyl? I've NEVER heard of one reputable vendor/maker that uses that as an ingredient. Even simpler, I make my own, unflavored e-liquid, from nicotine base certified to be EXACTLY stated as on the label: Nicotine, Vegetable Glycerin. Period. When I want a flavor, I use vendors that are registered suppliers on this forum, and willingly share and answer any and all questions or concerns regarding their products.

And...My lab work and physician's examination of myself shows I not only FEEL better, I AM better. Yes, I DID feel the negative effects of smoking after only a few months (or less). It was horrendous, but the grip of tobacco addiction controlled my life by that point in time, I wouldn't/couldn't give it up for nearly two decades.

 

[HighEnd]

What I know for sure is I feel, smell, save money and eat a whole lot healthier since I've started vaping a year ago and I vape far less than I ever smoked for 40yrs. As a matter of fact, I'm almost nicotine-less in my ejuices now because I'm more into the flavors.

 

[jman5]

Hi all,,,, i feel a bit wound up after reading this thread…

there have been a multitude of good answers and wise takes on smoking vs vaping vs air


but i'm now disheartened - i've got severe Ocd ,,, and well my thoughts on health are irrational or way out of the normal range.
and i've just started vaping yesterday (vaping not vamping {omg))

but i now just don't know what to do… i don't think i can quit smoking…. i did once get to day 11 cold turkey - but i went for a drink; and wham - back to 20-30 cigarettes a day..

so the harm reduction route seems to be the best option… - but for some reason i find even that daunting and scary,
(i'm one of those - i don't want to live on this planet types at times..)

i really want to be healthy; very healthy… - i eat organic food; without exception… i do all i can… but then smoke 1 1/2 packets of cigs a day…

I'm just wandering; because i just shelled out £275 on a setup and lots of e-juice… and don't know if i should return them (if i'm not going to be comfortable using them…)
i mean i'm using organic e-juice even - but my last vaping period ended when i found out diacectyl is an organic compound….
and at the time that was too much for my mind to handle…. so;
i threw away £120 worth of equipment and started smoking again..
(even with the knowledge diacectyl is in cigarette smoke…… {idiot})

i just don't know what to do with myself…
i spend a large part of my day 'preoccupied' by the dangers of smoking… and it really distresses me
but i don't want to start freaking out about vaping now….
i ideally want off .

i love the experience of vaping and seeing as it is very much healthier
i think its an incredible step in the right direction - and will save a lot of people.

but i don't know if i can do it with peace of mind; but then i can't go on smoking cigarettes either..


sorry i know i haven't added anything…. just my feelings / musings really..
once again i'm getting in a state over this… i don't know where to go with this one..
one day i hope my life will be simple

Regards
j

 

[Hypatia]

jman5, please try not to be distressed (easier said than done, I know, I know). Diacetyl being an organic compound (that is, a carbon containing molecule) is FAR different than the "organic" labeling of food items. NOT the SAME THING. I, too, as are all of us (majority of us), are concerned about this substance. As long as your eliquids are from reputable sources (surely organically grown and sourced is likely a reputable dealer), diacetyl would NOT be an item included in such a liquid.

As far as quitting, I am one that struggles with my own, ahem, personality "quirks." I entered vaping with the mindset of, "I'm just going to see where this takes me. I'm not quitting, per se. I am doing something different." Don't put the pressure of the "quitting" label on yourself. Vape, vape, and vape some more. If you're smoking less, you're WINNING. Vape some more, smoke some less. Keep doing that, and before you know it, less smoking will be NO smoking. There doesn't need to be an end date set it stone whatsoever. Less smoking = more living.

Good luck to you! I wanted to PM this to you, but it seems it wasn't allowing me to do so. Hopefully, this will help someone else, as well!

 

[jman5]

thankyou Hypatia,

- my minds spinning a bit; sorry i can't elaborate/reply more now.

thats definatlely a solid and rational approach to things.
i just need to convince myself … i get stuck in rigid beliefs and what not…


thanks for the whole post

all the best
J

 

[KjAthena]

I don't believe PG is used in asthma inhalers anymore.

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Just checked my Husbands new inhaler picked up 2 days ago and PG is the second ingredient...also is the 1st listed in his Albuterol for his breathing machine