Dont you have to know the truth before you can speak it?
Youre speaking as if youre an expert when youre clearly not.
You may be an expert on the propaganda from the other side judging by your statements, but on vaping? Not by a longshot.
Are those who claim that vaping is safer than smoking liars?
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Dont you have to know the truth before you can speak it?
Youre speaking as if youre an expert when youre clearly not.
You may be an expert on the propaganda from the other side judging by your statements, but on vaping? Not by a longshot.
Walking over a broken mirror to kick a black cat on your way to go skydiving is safer than smoking. Just sayin'.
However, I too don't just jump on the "vaping is totally safe" bandwagon myself. Truth is, there aren't enough studies yet to come to any hard and fast conclusions. Like CravenA, I can say I feel 100% better than I did when I smoked. I can also say that ALL of my doctors are thrilled, and have said nothing bad about vaping. I will wait and see.
I have been almost no-crap dead 3X in my life, told by doctors that I am lucky to still be here. I feel OK with my chances vaping...
So, where's the link to the chemical analysis of the "a lot" of juices?
I'm sure someone interested in the truth bases statements on fact gathered from data.
We're a few years into flavoring vendors removing the "d-word" from flavorings used in vaping, so while it is a fairly common ingredient in many flavorings for the food products you find in your grocery store, it's getting pretty rare to find in vapor.
So, the data to back up your statement please?
As a previous 40 year PAD smoker, I'm betting that vaping is safer for me (and I say me, not you). My projected lifespan is not as long as many here (given my age), and so I'm betting on vaping as a safer alternative. PG is in asthma inhalers, hospital ventilation systems etc. On the other hand I have a passion for custards, which may or may not be terribly safe.
Given the minimal long-term studies I would absolutely be distressed if my teen daughter, a non smoker, took up vaping - even zero nic. Luckily for me she's a smart kid and understands that this is a habit/hobby she would be foolish to explore.
We do not know the long term effects. However I've been putting crap in my lungs for years, and I'm fairly sure there is less crap in vaping than in analogs. It's a risk I'm willing to take, given my age and history.
Given the minimal long-term studies I would absolutely be distressed if my teen daughter, a non smoker, took up vaping - even zero nic. Luckily for me she's a smart kid and understands that this is a habit/hobby she would be foolish to explore.
We do not know the long term effects. However I've been putting crap in my lungs for years, and I'm fairly sure there is less crap in vaping than in analogs. It's a risk I'm willing to take, given my age and history.
Yes. Yes it is. but then again it's about numbers. How much diacetyl is in a 30ml bottle of e-liquid compared to how much is in a bag of microwave popcorn, or at a Microwave popcorn manufacturing plant.
I don't typically vape "buttery or creamy" vape liquids, and I do buy liquids that are diacetyl free. But even if my e-juices did contain trace amounts diacetyl in them, do they contain enough diacetyl to be harmful?
Diacetyl is something to be investigated to be sure.
Without any exposure rates and concentrations then you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Here's an article that may be enlightening to you, but it basically says the same thing.
Diacetyl- Risks, Prevalence, and Precautions
Vaping trace amounts of Diacetyl found in e-liquid is nothing like inhaling the stuff working in a butter popcorn factory all day long.
You're alarmist posts reminds me of the type of drivel when people just off the cuff say that nicotine is one of the most poisonous substances on earth and then making a connection to vaping without taking the time to actually see how much nicotine is contained in e-liquid and how much is actually inhaled by the vaper.
Before you just rock off the cuff with your statement, I again ask for you to do your research. Then once you have educated yourself, come back here and provide some thoughtful analysis instead of fear mongering.
Well, historically speaking, that hasn't stopped a lot of people.
Pfffft. Who needs data when you have an emotional, adjective-laced screed from the evening news?
Airdogvan, it may seem that we're busting your chops and tossing out your argument.
But what you must understand is that there are a LOT of educated vapers on this forum that have done their homework, and have not only read the arguments against vaping, they've also seen the studies debunking the lies.
You want statistics? I just did a quick count of the post counts of the people disagreeing with the OP.
40k post counts versus his 7 and some of us have been here for almost 5 years.
I know who Im gonna listen to
This is like watching an inexperienced virgin try to put the moves on a seasoned strumpet....and about as transparent.
40k post counts versus his 7 and some of us have been here for almost 5 years.
I know who Im gonna listen to
This is like watching an inexperienced virgin try to put the moves on a seasoned strumpet....and about as transparent.
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The FDA has seen fit to approve propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin in fog machines, and seen fit to approve those chemicals for continuous exposure to their operators (and the people around them). It's approved for hospital air systems, nebulizer treatments, (older style) asthma treatments, and so on.
Given how much PG and VG a 400-watt fog machine can blow into the air per second, I'm not going to be terribly concerned about my 6.5 watt intermittently run PV.
Given how much PG and VG a 400-watt fog machine can blow into the air per second, I'm not going to be terribly concerned about my 6.5 watt intermittently run PV.
Couldn't agree more. After smoking 47 years I think the chances that smoking won't eventually kill me are pretty much slim to none. However, I feel so much better now that I've been not smoking for just three months I'm about equally convinced that vaping has bought me some additional time. I'm not too concerned about the effects of vaping as far as my health is concerned. Others will have to decide what's best for them....I wouldn't pretend to know..
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Guys I never said I was an expert and certainly won't pretend to it. As already mentioned I'm not allowed to post links to studies and anyway that's not really the point. I did read quite a few of them but main point is that I think these are questions worth considering. As for diacetyl not being present in liquids anymore apparently they have been replaced by other chemicals about just as dangerous, they are mentioned in the thread I referred to.
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I liked the OP because I think the questions are valid. The FACT is, we don't know for sure what the longterm effects of vaping might be; and it's reasonable to make vapers aware of that. It's promising that the studies done to date suggest it's likely much safer than smoking but it's also dishonest to pretend those studies are conclusive.
The OP referenced another discussion (on Diacetyl)... it can be found here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html
I'm not arguing for or against vaping; I still do it myself so I'd be a hypocrite to suggest anyone else stop. But some on here seem to want to bury the very discussion of safety (except to say it's safe when they really don't know that). I think it's healthy to discuss.
The OP referenced another discussion (on Diacetyl)... it can be found here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/534508-flavors-may-contain-diacetyl-there-really-many.html
I'm not arguing for or against vaping; I still do it myself so I'd be a hypocrite to suggest anyone else stop. But some on here seem to want to bury the very discussion of safety (except to say it's safe when they really don't know that). I think it's healthy to discuss.
Meh...no reason to appear defensive. Sometimes talking things out aids in comprehension. The OP's obviously fresh meat in a new world. It might be too early to assign intent to his posts wouldn't you say?
Then dont vape.Theres no reason to call the rest of us liars when you have an admittedly imperfect understanding of the subject matter at hand...unless of course you have an ulterior motive as evinced by your last inflammatory and rectally compacted statement.
Interesting, thought provoking post. Thank you. Being very new to vaping, I've wondered if I've merely replaced one bad habit with another.
What I do know for sure as a 39 year, 2 pack a day smoker, is that the cigarettes were killing me slowly. I'll skip the particulars, but the health problems are starting to show up. Do I attribute them to smoking? Sure do. Some health issues might've developed anyway with age or my genetics, but inhaling toxins year after year sure didn't help.
Over the years, I've tried everything I know to get off analogs. Hypnosis, patches, gum ... I even trekked to some small town in MA to visit what turned out to be a quack to get me off them. Nothing worked because smoking for me is more than just nicotine. It's holding it, having something to do with my hands, inhaling the smoke, watching the smoke plume, even just the feeling of putting it in my mouth to take a puff. So, it's not only the nicotine, but also the physical and psychological aspects of smoking. Feeling good, light up. Feeling bad, light up.
Ultimately, I came to the same conclusion as you. I don't know what's in the air, my food, etc. I do know what's in analogs. I'll take my chances with vaping without any guarantee that it's absolutely 100% safe. I've done my research, I've read the posts on this and other forums. So far, vaping is the only thing that satisfies everything I thought smoking gave me.
As an end note, let me be honest. I'm still smoking more analogs than I'd like. From all my reading here and elsewhere (I'd be lost without the info on this forum), I think I need to increase the nicotine in my juice. 12 or 18 mg is just not gonna replace 2 packs a day (even though they're "lights"). And just in case anyone thinks it's the device, today I just received and am right now enjoying my new EVOD. Which by the way, I think I just flooded. Back to the forum to find out what's wrong and how to fix it. Learning is part of the fun.
The bottom line for me is that I finally see light at the end of the tunnel. I have no doubt that vaping will be my answer to finally ditching the cancer sticks forever.
What I do know for sure as a 39 year, 2 pack a day smoker, is that the cigarettes were killing me slowly. I'll skip the particulars, but the health problems are starting to show up. Do I attribute them to smoking? Sure do. Some health issues might've developed anyway with age or my genetics, but inhaling toxins year after year sure didn't help.
Over the years, I've tried everything I know to get off analogs. Hypnosis, patches, gum ... I even trekked to some small town in MA to visit what turned out to be a quack to get me off them. Nothing worked because smoking for me is more than just nicotine. It's holding it, having something to do with my hands, inhaling the smoke, watching the smoke plume, even just the feeling of putting it in my mouth to take a puff. So, it's not only the nicotine, but also the physical and psychological aspects of smoking. Feeling good, light up. Feeling bad, light up.
Ultimately, I came to the same conclusion as you. I don't know what's in the air, my food, etc. I do know what's in analogs. I'll take my chances with vaping without any guarantee that it's absolutely 100% safe. I've done my research, I've read the posts on this and other forums. So far, vaping is the only thing that satisfies everything I thought smoking gave me.
As an end note, let me be honest. I'm still smoking more analogs than I'd like. From all my reading here and elsewhere (I'd be lost without the info on this forum), I think I need to increase the nicotine in my juice. 12 or 18 mg is just not gonna replace 2 packs a day (even though they're "lights"). And just in case anyone thinks it's the device, today I just received and am right now enjoying my new EVOD. Which by the way, I think I just flooded. Back to the forum to find out what's wrong and how to fix it. Learning is part of the fun.
The bottom line for me is that I finally see light at the end of the tunnel. I have no doubt that vaping will be my answer to finally ditching the cancer sticks forever.
And don't forget that the temperatures those fog machines operate at - breaking down the PG and VG into compounds we never see in our APV's.
The questions are definitely worth considering, which is why I'm closely watching for an outcome from the study talked about in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...farsalinos-crowfunding-campaign-research.html
Nope.Look at his last post. Entirely too similar to others here lately in an effort to troll, misinform, provide fodder for datamining etc. Naivete is often charming when watching a child, not so much in 30 year old men.
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