Are We All Just Test Subjects?

[meli.]

My take on vaping, I love it! Stopped smoking and besides my lungs, sense of smell and taste and look of my skin getting better everything else went to pot!
Insomnia, restlessness, stress, road rage, IBS, headaches, my cholesterol went up and I gained a couple of pounds! 3 years of unmitigated sheet! or in my case No sheet, but that's way to much info!
vaping = sleeping better, no IBS or headaches unless I vape too much, lost a couple of pounds yay! don't have time to be restless too busy fixing atomizers, coils & wicks, a little more stress problem solving atomizers, coils & wicks, more road rage as I now create it by stopping at the lights a little too long taking just one more drag... why can't people be more patient?
Test Subject? Only when you buy stuff that's promised to work and doesn't do what it says on the box!

 

[Kayte]

Here's a study on 2nd hand vapor that was just peer reviewed and published. Very good news! ClearStream Air Published! | ClearStream by FlavourArt
And a video on youtube - VPLive Vape Team Episode #38: Proof Positive - Part 2 - YouTube of an interview with Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos who presented his study "Acute effects of using an electronic nicotine-delivery device (e-cigarette) on myocardial function: comparison with the effects of regular cigarettes" at the European Society of Cardiology in Munich. (This video is part 2. Sorry, I couldn't find Part 1 and don't have time to hunt it down right now.)

Seems that what people smell when we vape is nothing more serious than the smell of a cake when you open the oven door. That is what it is after all... the same flavorings used in various food products. I've never seen a report on the dangers of 'cake steam'.

 

[YKruss]

Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos @ the European Society of Cardiology Congress in Munich, Germany. Recorded on August 25th, 2012:

Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos at ESC2012 - The Effects of Electronic Cigarettes on Myocardial Function - YouTube

 

[ECBuggie]

Nice thread, Shackit

I love research and facts, yet I can't find any clear answers on vaping. Only half-a** news reports on e-cigs and some studies that show nothing on long term use and how they compare to other products.

Nobody seems to have a real scientific answer to what we are actually blowing out and if it can harm others. Heck they just came out with studies on third-hand smoke for regular cigs. What the F is third hand smoke! So where is first hand for an e-cig

In the eight years of e-cigs being established and smoked (vaped) there are still no real health pro's and cons....

Well, they say eight years is not much for the science. And they are right, I mean, if you want to find out consequences of decades-long vaping, you have to have decades-long vaping in the first place. So we can't really have clear answers yet.

Some research has been done, you'll find it in CASAA and ECCA UK pages, but it mostly refers to how easy it was to switch from tobacco cigarettes, unlike how difficult it is to quit, with NRT or not. And also to how much better the vapers feel related to all usual repertoire: coughing, breathing, COPD etc. As far as ex-smokers are concerned (me included) this is more than enough to embrace e-cig. So, here's another willing guinea pig talking. The growing number of users testimonies suggest e-cig is the best thing that has ever happened to smokers.

I had been smoking for 30 years (10 or so occasional attempts to quit included - using gums, cold turkey, Alan Carr's book, knitting, you name it, all with only temporary success. So there was some money and much hope lost.)

I also see many good doctors being more than hesitant to recommend e-cigs to heavy smokers (who don't seem to be able to quit cold turkey) - well, the science hasn't approved it, so they probably do have their hands tied there; also big pharma said their big no and I don't need to tell you or anybody else why.

But it will change. They have been trying but they can't win, so they will join. And it will cost us.

Big tobacco has already started buying e-cig manufacturers. So, that's settled.

Governments will impose controls we need and, of course, collect more tax they need.

Big pharma will soon come out with their no-no-nicotine e-cig (I don't have any inside info, this just seems logical to me). Or they may even come with some sort of e-cigs with gradually reducing nicotine cartomizers and this is going to cost much, but it will be marketed as heavily beneficial with all pharmaceutical grades and what not. And by that time a decade will have passed and omg are we going to see research and studies done!

Just my 2c

JCB

 

[YKruss]

And about alleged "second hand vapor danger", read what Vocalek wrote about Diskin, et al. study - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/334813-glantzing-blow-science.html#post7286195

 

[DuffyA2Z]

Congrats on the healthy turn around! aAll the best to you and yours man!

You want facts? I got your facts right here:

I'm over 350 pounds. I'm a BIG guy. I am very young (in my twenties!) and already have COPD. I have chronic bronchitis. I woke up every day of my life coughing up large amounts of disgusting and awkward tasting phlegm. I would nearly die going up and down our stairs in our house. I could no longer tie my own shoes because I would pass out from lack of oxygen and had to have my wife start doing it for me. I no longer could taste food and started getting really depressed because of it. See, food was one of my coping mechanisms for my already present depression and losing the taste of food removed that coping mechanism. I had nearly completely lost my sense of smell to the point that I could no longer smell food or drinks and could hardly smell the stink of a number 2 in the restroom.
I suffer from a rare skin disease called hidradenitis suppurativa. Smoking made this worse and so painful that I could not even get out of bed on some days.

Almost one week into vaping I quit smoking entirely, effortlessly and unintentionally (I never even intended to quit smoking!)

Almost one month into vaping my chronic bronchitis skipped a season (my bronchitis is on a timer).

Almost two months into vaping I could get up and down stairs without dying.

Almost three months into vaping my sense of smell came back (UNFORTUNATELY. WE OWN THREE DOGS!) and my sense of taste had returned.

Almost four months into vaping I had lost about 10 pounds accidentally without dieting. Probably because of only drinking water and no sodas.

Five months in, I no longer get out of breath on long trips to the grocery and other places.

Six months in, I feel healthier than I ever have. Food tastes great (can't eat most of my old favorite hot sauces, as mentioned by someone else. Sad face.), smells great, and my.. Uhh, previously lacking private... Drive.. Had increased. Very pleased wife on that one!

Seven months in, I notice that my HS had not flared up in almost FIVE MONTHS.



Vaping is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Better than my wife, because without vaping I wouldn't be able to live long enough to truly enjoy her company. You want facts? There's your facts.

 

[YKruss]

Nobody seems to have a real scientific answer to what we are actually blowing out and if it can harm others.

Just in - Clearstream Air Study has been published: http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf

On the base of the obtained results and on ARPA
data about urban pollution, we can conclude by
saying that could be more unhealty to breath air
in big cities compared to staying in the same room
with someone who is vaping.

 

[ghoti]

If we were test subjects in the proper sense, we would have our vaping goodies supplied for us instead of having to pay for them - but I am glad I found vaping personally - it has been a real gift to my wife and myself - our lives have improved in every way since starting.
The only strange thing, is that unlike many of the others - I can now eat hot sauce like there is nothing there. Before I vaped I could hardly even smell tobasco without my eyes watering, now I can drink bottles of it without any discomfort

Some good info in this thread, and I have enjoyed reading it - now excuse me, Im off to make myself a tinfoil hat and drink hot sauce

 

[wyojoe]

Wyojoe, thanks for the reply, I know my comment was not polite but I have low tolerance for people that like to post worthless comments in other peoples threads.
I have read all the info on the ingredients, and we used to blow the smoke through our skirts when we were kids, we were so proud when we won for getting the darkest puff. I wish I could go back in time and smack that cig out of my mouth!
I have found one article/study that states that the exhale contains no pollutants but I just can't believe that my lungs can soak up every drop of nic in the juice in the half of a second that it is contained in my lungs. If people can smell the sent when we vape something more than clean vapor must be coming out.

I use my e-cigs around alot of people that are very anti smoking and vaped inside a car with 3 anti smokers on a trip and ask them if they smelled anything and they said No. and the vapor did not bother them in any way. I use a tobacco flavor. If I use one of the flavored e-juices sometimes they can smell them just like you would smell candy. As far a nicotine goes, my understanding is that you get very little nic yourself compared to a real cig., something like 1/10 the nic you would get in a real cig. and without all the rest of the chemicals The studies I have read show very little to no nic in exhaled liquid. The posts above have several links to some very good information and testing. Thanks to all of you that have added links to very good information. I enjoyed them.

 

[tater_salad]

I don't mind being a "test subject" but yeah as others have stated.. the research isn't there becuase the money isn't there...
Pharma charges like what $50 for a pack of patches, or $25 for a a few days worth of awful tasting lozenges?
Pharma isn't going to fund research on ecigs like they do on the "smoking is bad" platfor because it takes money from them..
$5 for 10ml even if it only lasts you 2 days is still way better than $50-100 a week for Nic Replacemen Therapy from Phizer (or whoever)

Some universities have done limited research, Like I know there was a Boston based collage that did some research, and I tend to trust those more than the Other funded ones..
I saw one that said Vaping restricts airways right after vaping.. but there wasn't much of a controll.. what about inhaling other vapors.. llike boiling some water and concentrating on inhaling that for a few puffs and testing?

And my motto is like many others..
Vaping has to be better than what I was doing before (Smoking)
PG is used in food / even piped into buildings to kill germs (Granted not at the same concentration)
VG is used in soap / food / everythign else.
Nic.. well that's the bad part
Flavor - used in everything we already ingest anyways.

 

[YKruss]

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Nic.. well that's the bad part
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Are you sure?

Ignore the name of this thread, the link goes to the meat, post #14 by Vocalek (with references) and also read Rolygate coments -
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/283841-venezuela-declares-war-electronic-cigarette-2.html#post6109122

 

[DietSalem]

There were a lot of great links in this thread afterall! I've bookmarked a lot of them to look at later. Thanks to all of you who did post those!

 

[Juris Balta]

On the subject of being a test subject - has anyone ever tested the V2 Cigs cutom flavor offer? They say they can make any flavor you order.
Would like to hear your experience.

 

[Aron Gatt]

I love research and facts, yet I can't find any clear answers on vaping. Only half-a** news reports on e-cigs and some studies that show nothing on long term use and how they compare to other products.

Nobody seems to have a real scientific answer to what we are actually blowing out and if it can harm others. Heck they just came out with studies on third-hand smoke for regular cigs. What the F is third hand smoke! So where is first hand for an e-cig

In the eight years of e-cigs being established and smoked (vaped) there are still no real health pro's and cons. (besides for the obvious comments of "at least we are not smoking all the chemicals contained within analogs anymore". But by constantly inhaling the pg/vg are our kid going to have three balls or what?

Side question: Who started calling cigs analogs? that makes no sense. I just searched it, obviously I'm not alone.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../74876-why-cigarettes-called-analog-cigs.html

I have been smoking for twenty years and love how I quit like it was nothing with my 510, I'm just wondering why in eight years of it being strong on the market there is no real research. Is it because it really is such a healthy alternative that the gov does not want to free the information to the public and keep gaining revenue from big tobacco, or is it because they are still unsure and would rather use a small group as test subjects?

Do I really have to make 15 post before I can put my smoke calculator in my sig? Really that's all I want.

Hi mate

I understand your concern ..but before getting into deep research and b/s from some white dressed man with a rat cage in his hand .. I ask the BIG question to my self " AM I FEELING BETTER " my answer is yes ... SO LET'S VAPE

 

[thinkingaboutit]

On the subject of being a test subject - has anyone ever tested the V2 Cigs cutom flavor offer? They say they can make any flavor you order.
Would like to hear your experience.

I think you can find those flavors many places. Try ecblends for instance. Save some cash and refill those v2 cartos.