Are we looking in the wrong place regarding Throat Hit?

[WuWei]

I notice people make their vapes harsher to capture the "throat hit" of an analog better.


But my observation is that it might be a physical hit of heavy smoke particulates and oils hitting the back of the throat. These particulates would be pretty hot, so it would essentially be like the back of your throat being hit by a shotgun blast of very tiny BBs. The point being that the throat hit effect is generated directly by the fact that these particles are heavier in mass than the aerosol from nicotine juice alone.


What do you guys think? How would we go about making a heavier particulate liquid to test this out?

 

[Sheila Michele 1971]

Not understanding this post???? You mean like a thicker e liquid? Some 100% vg juice is quite thick and hard for some delivery devices.

 

[WuWei]

I imagine tobacco smoke to be made of many differently sized particles working together rather than a single homogenous mist. Putting tobacco into a vaporiser produces a harsh vapour with plenty of "throat hit" a la ecigs but no THROAT HIT per se. That same tobacco when combusted will always produce a throat hit. Shisha smoke is also very smooth.

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I dont understand what youre saying...or what your asking...something thicker than VG? VG is thick and doesnt have much throat hit and its hard to wick soooo something thicker than that?

Im not a fan of "throat hit" I dont chase a hard smoke in fact thats something I prefer about vaping is that its not uncomfortable like smoking squares. I stay away from PG for that reason, I find it harsh and chemical tasting.

 

[Jerms]

I notice people make their vapes harsher to capture the "throat hit" of an analog better.


But my observation is that it might be a physical hit of heavy smoke particulates and oils hitting the back of the throat. These particulates would be pretty hot, so it would essentially be like the back of your throat being hit by a shotgun blast of very tiny BBs. The point being that the throat hit effect is generated directly by the fact that these particles are heavier in mass than the aerosol from nicotine juice alone.


What do you guys think? How would we go about making a heavier particulate liquid to test this out?

Throat hit is from nicotine. If you vaped pure vg or pg you get the feel of inhaling a vapor but no throat hit. Higher vg liquids tend to have less throat hit because, for reasons I don't know, vg tends to soften the feel of the nicotine than pg.

If it was hot particulates or oil that you inhale, you would feel the burn in your mouth, but it would have cooled by the time you inhale.

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[Ken_A]

But my 3 mg Wild cherry has more throat hit than my 6 mg white tea. although they both have the same PG/VG (50/50) so it's not just the nic, it also has something to do with the flavor. you get more hit from higher PG as well.

 

[Jerms]

But my 3 mg Wild cherry has more throat hit than my 6 mg white tea. although they both have the same PG/VG (50/50) so it's not just the nic, it also has something to do with the flavor. you get more hit from higher PG as well.

Yeah you do notice more hit from a higher pg liquid, but it's not from the pg. Vaping pure pg produces zero throat hit. Like I said, for some reason vg tends to mute the effect, though I don't know why. Flavors have very, very little effect on throat hit. If you vaped a zero nic flavored liquid you'll get very little, if any, throat hit.

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[Kevin Brown]

Its not any of the effect of juices, its not the nicotine, its the paper in smokes that give the throat hit.

I smoked a tobacco pipe, and are accustomed to broad range of flavors..

One cig and i cough and gag from the throat hit
take the tobacco out the cig and it smooths out..

so a paper particulate would maybe offer the simulation but destroy flavor idk if its even doable..

 

[dstin1]

The first couple of months I was vaping throat hit seemed important, but now not so much. I like the flavor but I still have some flavors that give the burn in the throat but i dont use them much any more. I am still getting the nicotine but not the burn and i like it.

 

[Red_Bird]

I notice people make their vapes harsher to capture the "throat hit" of an analog better.


But my observation is that it might be a physical hit of heavy smoke particulates and oils hitting the back of the throat. These particulates would be pretty hot, so it would essentially be like the back of your throat being hit by a shotgun blast of very tiny BBs. The point being that the throat hit effect is generated directly by the fact that these particles are heavier in mass than the aerosol from nicotine juice alone.


What do you guys think? How would we go about making a heavier particulate liquid to test this out?

Real cigarette smoke is from combustion and fire. Inhaling an active FIRE flavored with tobacco leaf and additives. How can you expect a non combustible water vapor to perfectly replicate that?

It can't.

 

[Hello World]

Nicotine gives you genuine throat hit.

High PGs, flavors or RBA airhole adjustments usually just render harsher sensations of different qualities.

 

[Sheila Michele 1971]

Personally, Id rather have flavor then throat hit.

Id rather research be put into avoiding vapors tongue. LOL

 

[wv2win]

But my 3 mg Wild cherry has more throat hit than my 6 mg white tea. although they both have the same PG/VG (50/50) so it's not just the nic, it also has something to do with the flavor. you get more hit from higher PG as well.

Comparing throat hit in 3mg vs 6mg eliquid is like comparing how much it hurts to be hit by one feather vs two feathers, especially considering the most common nic strength used is 18mg - 24mg. (but glad the low nic eliquid is working for you)

Those of us who have been vaping for quite awhile have experimented and studied what provides throat hit for a few years. Here is the bottom line:

Throat hit is primairly due to nicotine, PERIOD. PG lets more of the feel come through, VG mutes it to a degree. Additivies do little to nothing. Some additives, like pepper, can provide throat burn or irritation but not the throat hit provided by nicotine.

 

[volume control]

I get the same throat hit i did from analogs, its all about the right nicotine level

 

[Jerms]

Comparing throat hit in 3mg vs 6mg eliquid is like comparing how much it hurts to be hit by one feather vs two feathers, especially considering the most common nic strength used is 18mg - 24mg. (but glad the low nic eliquid is working for you)

Those of us who have been vaping for quite awhile have experimented and studied what provides throat hit for a few years. Here is the bottom line:

Throat hit is primairly due to nicotine, PERIOD. PG lets more of the feel come through, VG mutes it to a degree. Additivies do little to nothing. Some additives, like pepper, can provide throat burn or irritation but not the throat hit provided by nicotine.

Thank you wv. TH = effect of nicotine on throat; no ifs, ands, or buts.

Same thing with cigarettes. Light cigs have less nicotine. Ultra-lights, the ones that felt like inhaling air, are that way because of less nicotine. Nothing is getting burned in your throat, not the paper from cigarettes or hot particulates in vapor. If you turn to additives like pepper you create a burn similar to the feel of throat hit but still way different.

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[Jerms]

I get the same throat hit i did from analogs, its all about the right nicotine level

Same here. I actually get move TH from vaping which is good because I like TH and chain vape. The nicotine in cigs has the same effect of nicotine in ejuice, the first cig or vape of the morning has the strongest hit. If someone chain smokes they become accustomed to the TH and it lessens, same as with vaping. The nice thing about vaping is if I want to increase the TH when I've been vaping all day I can use a higher mg nic or increase my watts, providing more vapor so more nic gets inhaled. Or I could put my PV down so my throat becomes sensitive to less nicotine after a bit, but that's no fun

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[AngelsBreath]

Okay, this initial post from the OP went way over my head, so much so that it didn't even blow my hair about.

 

[Kevin Brown]

Real cigarette smoke is from combustion and fire. Inhaling an active FIRE flavored with tobacco leaf and additives. How can you expect a non combustible water vapor to perfectly replicate that?

It can't.

dont let it fool ya its very combustible some juices more than others

especially those juices looking for this particulate of TH using alcohols

 

[UncleChuck]

Throat hit is from nicotine. If you vaped pure vg or pg you get the feel of inhaling a vapor but no throat hit. Higher vg liquids tend to have less throat hit because, for reasons I don't know, vg tends to soften the feel of the nicotine than pg.

If it was hot particulates or oil that you inhale, you would feel the burn in your mouth, but it would have cooled by the time you inhale.

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I think Jerms hit the nail on the head.

Another thing to consider is that the nicotine in smoke is different than the nicotine in vapor. I believe the particles are smaller, and absorb much better and quicker into the lungs compared to vapor. This would account for the specific "throat hit" feeling of a real cigarette compared to vaping. It would also explain why lights and especially ultra lights feel like inhaling air (or inhaling air that also burns your throat, not hits it for the cheap nasty cigs) compared to smoking a full strength cig, because they have far less nicotine, so less throat hit.

Some of us who are obsessed with the Njoy King have been discussing for several months in the giant King thread about Njoy's possible use of freebase nicotine or some sort of additive that increases the speed at which the nic is absorbed, because the Njoy king (in my experience, and the experience of many many others) gives by far the most realistic throat hit and real cig feeling. If I puff on one first thing in the morning I get that nicotine high the same way I did with the first cig of the day. No other juice I've tried, regardless of nic strength, was even close.

The King also has that same paper taste that a real cig does, which may be adding something to the feeling and flavor, I don't know, but I think there is far more than meets the eye when it comes to nic strength and how it's absorbed. More research into this area would be very welcome.

 

[Faylool]

i agree here. Its something in certain flavors. Ive DIYed when things were going nicely throat hit wise but was still looking for a different flavor so i would ad an appropriate percentage of a flavor to the juice and find out i lost the throat i had going. If some scientist could explain that in simple terms.... But it happens so that means to me flavor has something to do with it. We need some zero Nic vapers here! Whats the deal for you 0 nic vapers?

Iv added a different flavor to DIY before when throat hit was great and it made the troat hit go away. More than once.

But my 3 mg Wild cherry has more throat hit than my 6 mg white tea. although they both have the same PG/VG (50/50) so it's not just the nic, it also has something to do with the flavor. you get more hit from higher PG as well.