Are we spoiled and what about new vapers?

[papergoblin]

I'm sure people have talked about this in bits and pieces, and of course at local B&M's (if you have a good one). I just see the community being spoiled, especially newcomers. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but could it be harmful?
Some remember the day a bottom coil tank dropped, I know I do. It was to me a large leap to go from a vivi nova to an evod. The taste just lit up, for the better of course. Then moving to a mech with a dripper, to sub ohms and to finally vv/vw.
We in the early days knew what a bad tasting Atty really was and know what a great one can be. Some of us learned coiling out of need, I still remember recoiling evod heads because it was Sunday and the shops were closed.
There were no premade coils, coil calculators, and very little videos on anything. Who remembers first hearing cotton and going what. Silica was king, no one thought of eco wool or ss mesh. Now there are many that haven't heard of mesh wicks or Genesis tanks.
It was hard to be a vaper not that long ago and I applaud the ones who started in the dark ages and fought through the limited times. It was limited not only by equipment but also by juice. How many started on brands like Sofa King? That was top shelf in a time, lol.
I'm glad things are better but at the same time I fear for new people coming in. Some are curious and want to know all about all, which is great. The problem I see is that with all the new devices doing the work for us, many will never learn some basics.
People can buy the coils made, the device sets or helps adjust the power, the computer tells you the batteries are low. People can skip learning battery amps, how to wrap a coil, and just miss out on so much.
To me it's like learning to drive but not knowing how to drive a manual transmission. Not everyone wants to but it doesn't hurt to know how for the just in case.
In short I love all the cool stuff out there and glad everyone has options. I just hope people will choose to learn about equipment since they don't have to as much anymore. I'm sure if you're here, you've made the choice of want to, congrats. We need people to learn more and want more, that's the only way we can keep evolving.

 

[bluecat]

Spoiled? Nah. It just the evolution of vaping. I still have to charge batteries, mix liquid, clean toppers, rewick, recoil... I feel like I was spoiled with the my little 3.7 volt Volts and clearos that I just had to rinse and dry.

10 years from now the cycle will continue.. if it takes that long.

 

[crxess]

People can skip learning battery amps, how to wrap a coil, and just miss out on so much.

We'll skip this part ......for now
Lots of New Gear is still Mechanical Based and not new tech.

New tech does not = Dummy Proof.

Even a Smart Gun will fire in the hand of its owner whether they understand gun safety or not.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Lots of New Gear is still Mechanical Based and not new tech.

yeah and that is an unfortunate fact

New tech does not = Dummy Proof.

well, it's kept this dummy (me) safe a time or two

Even a Smart Gun will fire in the hand of its owner whether they understand gun safety or not.

yeah, they can safely kill themselves

The reason why high tech mods are safer for dummies is because they are not smart enough to even be able to operate some of them

 

[MadMeathead]

Meh. I remember when you got on the Internet by phoning a local bulletin board service. If you wanted to look at anything outside that BBS you needed to understand the protocols to get to another site. No google, no internet explorer, no graphic user interface.

Are "we" spoiled?

 

[roxynoodle]

My parents' new car tells them something is next to or behind them, when the tires need air and has park assist. Personally I'm glad as my dad may not be all there mentally now, and his driving is terrible. If all that keeps him from hurting or killing someone, I'll sleep easier.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Meh. I remember when you got on the Internet by phoning a local bulletin board service. If you wanted to look at anything outside that BBS you needed to understand the protocols to get to another site. No google, no internet explorer, no graphic user interface.

Are "we" spoiled?

Yep, I remember those days and earlier. Wasn't even an OS interface except textual based commands -- Yep, we're spoiled

 

[vapero]

Back when I started smoking I didn't need to know how to to my own cigs, I just bought and smoked and worked, a lot of people wouldn't have started if the had to dry their own tobacco, cut it and roll it...
The easiest and the more spoiled new comers get the easier their transition will be so I see it as a positive thing.

I make my own coils, my juice and my mods, for me it is a hobby and not a necessity any more but it would have been great if when I started vaping I had all the options people have right now

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[Bad Ninja]

Cartos and premade atomizers have been around since the beginning.

People when paid attention in high school already understood ohms law.

None of this is "new tech".
It's actually very primitive.

 

[papergoblin]

I keep up on a lot of things and I really haven't seen much that is mech based. Most coming out is chip based. Temp control is the it at the moment, I think bottom fed (possibly automatic) will be one of the next. My main reason on bringing up batteries, is the fact some don't understand any of it and leave their selves open to being ripped off. A good example, have a friend with a vapor shark 30rdna. Came time for a new battery, bought a way over priced AW with a lower mah, when he could have gotten a higher mah battery cheaper. I didn't know he needed one and he didn't know the options.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I keep up on a lot of things and I really haven't seen much that is mech based. Most coming out is chip based. Temp control is the it at the moment, I think bottom fed (possibly automatic) will be one of the next. My main reason on bringing up batteries, is the fact some don't understand any of it and leave their selves open to being ripped off. A good example, have a friend with a vapor shark 30rdna. Came time for a new battery, bought a way over priced AW with a lower mah, when he could have gotten a higher mah battery cheaper. I didn't know he needed one and he didn't know the options.

Sounds like your friend didn't do much research. Seems he just read "AW is great" without learning about batteries or his mod.

Happens a lot these days with younger folk. They watch a video on YouTube and take it as gospel.
Not smart or safe.

 

[Boden]

Bah!! Back in my day if you wanted a plate to eat on.. Too bad, there were no plates, we ate on the ground. Because of it our immune systems were strong!!!



The basics of vaping haven't changed much. If you are happy with a mediocre Vape you can stick with premade attys. if you really want to customize your Vape for whatever attributes you value you still need to understand the physics and math.

 

[AXIOM_1]

Bah!! Back in my day if you wanted a plate to eat on.. Too bad, there were no plates, we ate on the ground. Because of it our immune systems were strong!!!

^^^ a.k.a. newbies are way spoiled

 

[papergoblin]

My buddy didn't do research but listened to the salesmen at a B&M, made 2 mistakes, lol. Actually with a vw mod, and premade coils, there's really no math or physics to understand. Just buy it and plug it all together , which is fine, a lot safer than doing it with a mech but...... Many think I did this on a vw mod with so and so battery, ergo I can buy a mech and do the same.

I get it falls on the user to know but there's a lot of people relying on salesmen and such for answers. We all know some are great, some are bad, and some don't really know what they're selling.

I don't know, I'm not knocking new stuff, I love it. I may not want half of it but do like some of the ideas and innovation. Just worried people may become too reliant on a chip to work the math for them, especially if they don't understand the math.

 

[Eitje]

Its just progress. Most people dont even know where their s..t ends up if they flush and think milk comes out of a factory.
Guess with vaping it will be much the same.
I started only like 3yrs ago but a lot even changed over that time period.
Not many will be able to explain how a VW device does its things. A mech maybe to a certain extend but how is your indebt battery knowledge ?

Point being, you don't need to know how stuff works to enjoy it.
Tying this on my mobile and although I'm pretty well aware how it works, I couldn't honestly tell you end to end how this ends up on this forum.

 

[YoursTruli]

I'm sure people have talked about this in bits and pieces, and of course at local B&M's (if you have a good one). I just see the community being spoiled, especially newcomers. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but could it be harmful?
Some remember the day a bottom coil tank dropped, I know I do. It was to me a large leap to go from a vivi nova to an evod. The taste just lit up, for the better of course. Then moving to a mech with a dripper, to sub ohms and to finally vv/vw.
We in the early days knew what a bad tasting Atty really was and know what a great one can be. Some of us learned coiling out of need, I still remember recoiling evod heads because it was Sunday and the shops were closed.
There were no premade coils, coil calculators, and very little videos on anything. Who remembers first hearing cotton and going what. Silica was king, no one thought of eco wool or ss mesh. Now there are many that haven't heard of mesh wicks or Genesis tanks.
It was hard to be a vaper not that long ago and I applaud the ones who started in the dark ages and fought through the limited times. It was limited not only by equipment but also by juice. How many started on brands like Sofa King? That was top shelf in a time, lol.
I'm glad things are better but at the same time I fear for new people coming in. Some are curious and want to know all about all, which is great. The problem I see is that with all the new devices doing the work for us, many will never learn some basics.
People can buy the coils made, the device sets or helps adjust the power, the computer tells you the batteries are low. People can skip learning battery amps, how to wrap a coil, and just miss out on so much.
To me it's like learning to drive but not knowing how to drive a manual transmission. Not everyone wants to but it doesn't hurt to know how for the just in case.
In short I love all the cool stuff out there and glad everyone has options. I just hope people will choose to learn about equipment since they don't have to as much anymore. I'm sure if you're here, you've made the choice of want to, congrats. We need people to learn more and want more, that's the only way we can keep evolving.

Even though I do not like some of the direction vaping has taken over the past year or so I think it is great new vapers do not need to struggle with gear the way we had to as short as 3-4 years ago. I think the fuss, work and learning curve with the older gear discouraged a lot of would be vapers back to smoking.
In this ready made want it now no fuss era hopefully more people will be able to quit smoking with this newer equipment. Honestly, most people do not want to have to learn a bunch or play around with this stuff, just a grab it and go like they did with their smokes.
For those that want to tinker with gear a ton of rebuildables and mech mods are are out there and unfortunately some of it will/does fall into the hands of those who are not going to take the time to really learn about it just like any other equipment that exist out in the world today.

 

[erikbal]

I started vaping in October of 2013 and just the changes since then are unreal. I remember upgrading from an ego-c setup to an evod and thinking the vapor production was awesome. Now my setup blows that one away lol. There is much less fuss and work involved these days and I kind of like it that way!

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[edyle]

I'm sure people have talked about this in bits and pieces, and of course at local B&M's (if you have a good one). I just see the community being spoiled, especially newcomers. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but could it be harmful?
Some remember the day a bottom coil tank dropped, I know I do. It was to me a large leap to go from a vivi nova to an evod. The taste just lit up, for the better of course. Then moving to a mech with a dripper, to sub ohms and to finally vv/vw.
We in the early days knew what a bad tasting Atty really was and know what a great one can be. Some of us learned coiling out of need, I still remember recoiling evod heads because it was Sunday and the shops were closed.
There were no premade coils, coil calculators, and very little videos on anything. Who remembers first hearing cotton and going what. Silica was king, no one thought of eco wool or ss mesh. Now there are many that haven't heard of mesh wicks or Genesis tanks.
It was hard to be a vaper not that long ago and I applaud the ones who started in the dark ages and fought through the limited times. It was limited not only by equipment but also by juice. How many started on brands like Sofa King? That was top shelf in a time, lol.
I'm glad things are better but at the same time I fear for new people coming in. Some are curious and want to know all about all, which is great. The problem I see is that with all the new devices doing the work for us, many will never learn some basics.
People can buy the coils made, the device sets or helps adjust the power, the computer tells you the batteries are low. People can skip learning battery amps, how to wrap a coil, and just miss out on so much.
To me it's like learning to drive but not knowing how to drive a manual transmission. Not everyone wants to but it doesn't hurt to know how for the just in case.
In short I love all the cool stuff out there and glad everyone has options. I just hope people will choose to learn about equipment since they don't have to as much anymore. I'm sure if you're here, you've made the choice of want to, congrats. We need people to learn more and want more, that's the only way we can keep evolving.

so you know about horseback riding?

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I'm a fairly new vaper but not spoiled, cause well anything premade can do I can do better.

 

[MattyTny]

I got in around 2013, vaping was getting popular, but still kind of "underground". Seeing the options and extremely affordable prices today is awesome. It's much more intriguing and hassle free for someone new. I was back and forth with smoking for a while before I got settled.

That doesn't mean we lost information though. The cautions associated were always there, but less people need to be concerned since devices are more user friendly. I'd like to see more warning labels and instructions for certain things though.

Not sure if I put my cautions opinion in the right words. Device functions are more well known and a lot of reviewers put them through the paces. This is great for us, but I think detailed instructions on more potentially dangerous items are needed for the individual buying.