What exactly is an Advanced Vaper?

[VHRB2014]

Trophies make Grrreat targets at 100 yds.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Trophies make Grrreat targets at 100 yds.

Problem is the better you get the bigger the target ^__^

 

[VHRB2014]

Problem is the better you get the bigger the target ^__^

Use those to zero the scope.

 

[440BB]

Advanced gear, including a roll of award certificates.

Seems we all end up with the same award, no matter what style of vaping pleases us.

 

[VHRB2014]

Advanced gear, including a roll of award certificates.

Seems we all end up with the same award, no matter what style of vaping pleases us.

OK, You`ve earned your advanced badge, um, sticker. Somebodies gonna make you a sticker/ And I would like to suggest you put it on top of that there sticker.

 

[brummyjon]

Not quite sure what the premise was for the OP to start this, but it's been an interesting read.

I walked away a bit to try and think of a thoughtful way to post.
When mechanical's first came out they weren't this big scary thing they are now. They were a true God send! We had something that would work longer than 20-30min and life was pretty good! Everyone was using off the shelf cartomizers, around 2-2.5 ohms, no problems at all. Then people started pushing things, as people do, they would stack two 3.7v batteries to get a better hit, manufactures started making lower ohm carto's, and mods started blowing up.
Then came the Genesis style atties, of course people had to push them, and the batteries blew up.
Then came the sub-ohm craze and cloud chasers and it got flat scary for a while!
Many of us spent countless hours in the new members section trying to keep new vapors from blowing themselves up because they wanted to duplicate what they saw some idiot on Youtube do! Myself, and several others were approached by the moderation team here to create a battery safety area, I'm not sure what happened with it, but I see Badittude has created several blogs on the topic for us to refer to.
It pains me to see we are coming full circle again with stacking batteries, the "Noisy cricket" being a prime example. Sure, it can be done somewhat safely, but it takes a lot of diligence and pushing these batteries at the limits already, just makes it that much easier for something to go wrong. There are a LOT of very good reasons there is so much information and concern expressed about battery safety. When it goes wrong it goes fast and it's normally bad!
I spent a lot of time learning batteries. I spent a lot of time with mechs. I spent a lot of time with rebuldable's. I don't feel it makes me superior to anyone, in fact I'm having to learn a lot over again after taking some time of for health reasons. Most of the other knowledgeable and "veteran vapers" (is that better?) seem pretty eager to share their knowledge with anyone and are eager to help solve a problem.
I think "Advanced" means you understand the batteries you have, and know their limits, have a good understanding of Ohm's law and have the means to build, then test, your build to make sure you are within those limits and accept the responsibility of what you are doing.
Is that better?

Yeah better. just to clear it up, I posted because i saw a specific example here of people puffing themselves up as something special. It was just a reaction to that. not important really, but I think it started an interesting discussion, nonetheless.

 

[brummyjon]

Does anyone really go around calling themselves "advanced vapers," or is this just a rant about how the vendor pages all have warnings that lithium batteries, mechanical mods, and rebuildable atomizers are for "advanced users only?"

It was not supposed to be a rant, but I see that maybe that's how it came across. I'm not sure if the people specifically claimed 'advanced' status. I think it was more bemoaning these 'noobs' who are not even 'advanced' vapers.

 

[brummyjon]

*Vaper Vapor is what we create, we are vapers.

Indeed. This was partly my point.

 

[Christopher Sutterlin]

I don't see anyone as an advanced vaper or a noob vaper. all i see is educated and uneducated vapers. these incidents where people are not getting educated or not educating themselves about ohms law/battery safety where they blow there fingers off or a nice sized hole in there pockets. these people need to know this is not just an alternative to smoking but a hobby and with every hobby there is alot to learn about it. I educated myself enough to start building my own coils and battery safety but in the same breathe i still have alot to learn and i have realized in this world with vaping there is always something new to learn.

 

[davettn]

I always feel a bit silly with the questions I ask on here but luckily have yet to be spoken down to. 99.9% of people on here with more advanced knowledge are generally helpful and more than willing to help out. Think the only time I had some flak was from one guy who was dead against me vaping when I was never a smoker.

You should check out vaping groups on facebook. Good lord,the arguments are large. Luckily I like drama so it's fun to watch

 

[Bad Ninja]

I don't. My mod stays out of the bathroom.

Its a joke.
Its a reference to the childrens book "Everyone Poops".

OK, I have to ask, did somebody really call themselves an advanced vaper?

To me it's rather simple
1. Observe in person, watch a video, or read about something
2. Decide to try something
3. Do something
4. Go To #1

Expertise if any is in the knowledge gained in repeating these steps or in helping others to get through these steps. I would think that with enough loops through the loop, you could call yourself experienced. Happens in every domain that I know of.

The problem with your scenario is the person in the video usually isnt knowledgeable.

So you keep looping incorrectly, and fail.
There is no substitute for a proper education.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yeah better. just to clear it up, I posted because i saw a specific example here of people puffing themselves up as something special. It was just a reaction to that. not important really, but I think it started an interesting discussion, nonetheless.

Heres the core of the problem.

Its not about "being special", its about being safe.
"For advanced users only" is a warning.

 

[Big Me]

Its a joke.
Its a reference to the childrens book "Everyone Poops"...

Oh, it's a joke! Right... *walks off shaking head*

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

I've been in the vape thing for many years, probably longer than many, that would make me "experienced". But it's only been in the last few years that it's become a hobbit, and more "scientific" for the technology and chemistry..... and now you can rebuild the devices/coils, make your own juice without fear of poisoning yourself, etc.

"Advance" for me, like others have already stated, or those that understand the proper way to do such things.

I now have been rebuilding my coils, understand the Ohm law, and so on. Doesn't mean that I'm interested in mech mods, as more and more, the reg. mods are great and I'd rather go with safety.

But likes with cars, you have the experts that can build/rebuild a car, and then you have the hobbyists that it's a part time thing according to budgets, and the ricers, that it's all about being cool and try to build crap that's cheap (no money to buy proper parts) just for looks.

So with mech mods, most bad stories are these "mod ricers". They aren't experts or anything, and a detriment to vaping. There's probably what you're referring to, as experts/advanced people tend to be very open and helpful. They don't tell you that you're not doing it right unless you're getting a 500W rewired flashlight with a 14 coil aquarium tank and can create a thunderstorm with two puffs like the ricers would. They'll tell you to start with a decent approach and learn with it.

 

[brummyjon]

Heres the core of the problem.

Its not about "being special", its about being safe.
"For advanced users only" is a warning.

Oh, I have no issue with warnings on products. I have previously argued here that relevant warnings (specifically about not using nickel in wattage mode) are not clear enough.

 

[brummyjon]

Oh, it's a joke! Right... *walks off shaking head*

No, I never heard of it either. Haha

 

[Bad Ninja]

No, I never heard of it either. Haha

You should get out more.
Everyone Poops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Written in the 70's by a famous Childrens author, translated in 9 languages so far.

 

[Big Me]

You should get out more.
Everyone Poops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Written in the 70's by a famous Childrens author, translated in 9 languages so far.

Written by a Japanese author in 1977. Translated into American/English in 1993...

If, as an English speaker, you have had no need to potty train a toddler or endlessly answer a child's questions after the date the book was published; why on earth would you be familiar with it?

 

[HauntedMyst]

Written by a Japanese author in 1977. Translated into American/English in 1993...

If, as an English speaker, you have had no need to potty train a toddler or endlessly answer a child's questions after the date the book was published; why on earth would you be familiar with it?

Well, duh. I saw it in the bookstore and I bought it. Not because I have to teach a kid to poop or because I didn't know everyone poops but because I realized I wasn't alone in wanting to write about it. I felt like I finally found a kindred soul in Tarō Gomi, the author of this profound tome. It was one of those moments where you go "Yeah, someone else gets it!, Finally!" I have drafts of a similar books in my drawer that I wrote. One is called "Everyone Backs One Out, it's just a question of where!" and the other is called "Fiber, the Intestinal Snow Plow." They were both wildly rejected by every respectable publishing house in the english speaking world. Apparently they didn't like my illustrations. I thought Iggy the Intestinal snow plow driver was a great character.

 

[badinfluence357]

At one point or another we're all advance vapors. the minute you stop using egos, cartos and cigalikes you advanced....[emoji12]

Time under the belt can also be confusingly considerably advanced but it means nothing. you learn something new everyday and advance some more...make sense? Hell No, vape on and advance some more....

Vape Knowledge is the key and it puts us one step closer to the truth. you know the little green advanced guys that live in space who started vaping...just kidding guys, having a lil advanced fun....[emoji16]