Are you stockpiling / hoarding due to fear of the upcoming FDA announcement?

[e-pipeman]

Me, I'm just tapering down my nicotine. If there's a de facto ban (excessive taxation and regulation) then it won't be too hard for me to adjust. But if there isn't, I won't have spent a lot of money (and contributed to the panic run on suppliers) by stockpiling - and I'll be less dependent on nicotine, which is not a bad thing, right? Either way, I'll be ahead of the game, IMO...

But I am gonna join the rest of you in fighting against restrictions, no doubt about that.

I'm tapering down, too, but it has taken me since 2008 to get down to 9. Another reason for me to keep plentiful supplies of nic liquid to hand. Panic runs on suppliers are unlikely at this stage - after all, it's still legal to sell the stuff and suppliers want to sell it.

 

[josie wales]

Also, if you haven't done this yet...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oject-manager-casaa-testimonials-project.html

Done. I think my testimonial of quitting a 35 year, 2-3 PAD habit should help.

 

[seahawkin]

I pretty much horde my vape stuff anyways, not that I have a problem or anything.

 

[josie wales]

As far as hording....not intentionally! I have quite a pile of juices I don't much care for, but I'd use 'em up if I had to. And as soon as I get into the classifieds I'll have more devices than the 4 Ego's I have now.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

FDA can't tax nicotine. Only Congress has the ability to levy taxes and all new tax bills must originate in the House of Representatives.

FDA can't regulate e-cigs as medicine or drug delivery devices. They tried, got sued, lost and lost on appeal before throwing in the towel.

The deeming regulations were originally due in October 2012. Then it was April 2013. Now it's October 2013. I'm going way out on this limb here and predicting that October comes and goes again.

Empty PV devices can't be deemed regulable under the 2009 Tobacco Act because there's no tobacco or nicotine in them. Neither can PG, VG or flavorings. The only thing that can be deemed regulable is nicotine liquid, a substance that is already legal and already has numerous other uses.

FDA is in a conundrum and they know it. That's why they haven't done anything since the Soterra decision and probably won't anytime soon.

The most likely outcome is that liquids fall into the same grey area as all of the "nutritional supplements" and "herbal remedies" already on the market. Manufacturers and retailers will have to include a disclaimer that the products are not regulated by FDA and that you use them at your own risk.

So no, I'm not hoarding because I expect a toothless FDA to punt the ball again.

 

[Vapo Marx]

I hope you're right!

 

[retired1]

Unfortunately, there are those in Congress that WOULD pass a law regarding e-cigs. Especially if their calls for deeming regulations are ignored. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sale-distribution-marketing-e-cigarettes.html

 

[Cavediver]

FDA can't tax nicotine. Only Congress has the ability to levy taxes and all new tax bills must originate in the House of Representatives.

FDA can't regulate e-cigs as medicine or drug delivery devices. They tried, got sued, lost and lost on appeal before throwing in the towel.

The deeming regulations were originally due in October 2012. Then it was April 2013. Now it's October 2013. I'm going way out on this limb here and predicting that October comes and goes again.

Empty PV devices can't be deemed regulable under the 2009 Tobacco Act because there's no tobacco or nicotine in them. Neither can PG, VG or flavorings. The only thing that can be deemed regulable is nicotine liquid, a substance that is already legal and already has numerous other uses.

FDA is in a conundrum and they know it. That's why they haven't done anything since the Soterra decision and probably won't anytime soon.

The most likely outcome is that liquids fall into the same grey area as all of the "nutritional supplements" and "herbal remedies" already on the market. Manufacturers and retailers will have to include a disclaimer that the products are not regulated by FDA and that you use them at your own risk.

So no, I'm not hoarding because I expect a toothless FDA to punt the ball again.

I agree with much of this, but I also believe our government will jump at the chance to levy a sin tax any time they can, and will do so as quickly as possible if the FDA can put liquid nic into the same category as cigarettes or loose tobacco.

My wife and I are setting back enough DIY liquid nic to last for a year or so. I'm doing it in part because of the FDA, and in part because it falls into our "be prepared" mentality. We stock enough food and consumables to last a few months, more in some cases. We do this not for fear of the government, taxes, civil unrest, etc., but out of concern for job loss / household economics. Let's face it; if one were to lose their job and faces (possible) long-term unemployment, the first thing to do is cut expenses. Tobacco / vaping is something we enjoy, but it's not a necessity. That said, I'd really hate to give up my crutch (vaping) under duress, especially when stress is so high. Setting some back allows us a bit of padding, and it also gets us through possible supply problems in the market (ie: ammo).

 

[sbc83]

Can't say i'm stockpiling, but I do buy an extra 60-90ml's per month on top of what I consume.. I'm still somewhat of a newb so i'm still in the process of building up my stash.

 

[tj99959]

I'm not worried about me, or those that have been around this rodeo for a while for that matter. if we don't have our bases covered by now, it's our own damn fault.

The smoker out there that hasn't tried vaping yet is a different story tho. I would hate to see them condemned because of stupid legislation. In the end, I feel, that governments either tax or ban anything that is fun, and e-cigs will be no exception.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I joined the CASAA mailing list. Is there anything else I should be doing?

Join the organization and attend the meetings online. They send you an invite, and it lasts 90 minutes. Kristin hosts it and there is a lot of information there.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Unfortunately, there are those in Congress that WOULD pass a law regarding e-cigs. Especially if their calls for deeming regulations are ignored. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sale-distribution-marketing-e-cigarettes.html

To my knowledge, there is no proposed or pending legislation in either the US Senate or House of Representatives regarding e-cigs.

The Asst Majority Leader can call on FDA to regulate all he wants. But FDA has no teeth on this and they know it. Any of the worries expressed here and in other fearful threads on ECF would be about as enforceable as banning bubble baths.

The only real victims of an enforceable regulation would be the manufacturers of disposables and preloaded cartridges that can't be refilled.

 

[yzer]

No. I don't scare easily. Besides, my best guess is that draconian prohibitions on vaping just aren't in the cards.

The e-cig bizz learned a lot from the guns & ammo bizz. Unfounded fear of prohibition is a huge marketing tool.

I buy my nicotine base for DIY once a year but that's to take advantage of volume buying prices.

 

[yzer]

Consumers really need to get some smarts. FUD is just one marketing strategy in wide use today.

Fear, uncertainty and doubt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[retired1]

Consumers really need to get some smarts.

Is that anything like saying JQ Public needs to weigh all the issues before they vote? Cuz we know that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

 

[yzer]

Is that anything like saying JQ Public needs to weigh all the issues before they vote? Cuz we know that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

Oh, yeah. Human nature won't change anytime soon. That's why FUD is used successfully by both sides of the e-cig issue.

 

[hazarada]

I sure am! Making contacts that is, sure i could hoard enough for a couple years but not really a long term option. This is why i think its more important to make a well that doesn't dry up.

 

[grooveon]

I doubt they will ban it. Not worried in the slightest, and the taxation is just gonna happen eventually. Amazon is now required to collect taxes. I'm fine with it, our nation needs the dough anyway.

 

[e-pipeman]

I doubt they will ban it. Not worried in the slightest, and the taxation is just gonna happen eventually. Amazon is now required to collect taxes. I'm fine with it, our nation needs the dough anyway.

Given the possibly benign nature of e-cigarettes and the largely pathetic statistics with regard to NRT products from Pharma wouldn't it be sensible to hike up the tax on cigarettes MASSIVELY before tinkering with potentially safer nicotine delivery systems?

In the UK 20 cigs cost about £8 these days (no, that's not dollars).

 

[retired1]

That's nothin'.. Here in Ontario, a pack of smokes costs upwards to 12 bucks a pack (depends on the brand). In New York, they're 14.50 a pack.