Athiest Converts After Seeing a Demon on His Shoulder!

[closetsmokr]

The last comment I'll make, and let you all go about your way, is that the problem in all of this is that there was no thought or mention of anyone who doesn't make a choice either way. In the parable about the "tares" and the "wheat," there is a distinction that the people have made a concious choice of one or the other. This does not address anyone who does not make a choice. So, while interpretations can lead one to believe whatever he or she wishes to, the specific issue of those who do not believe in any of it is not addressed.

So, an atheist, by definition, is not a Satan worshiper, or otherwise owned or ruled by Satan. In order to worship something, you must believe in it and embrace it. In order to be owned by or ruled by something, one must carry out acts and deeds as commanded by the ruler/owner. One cannot say that not believing in something, means that you belive in its antithesis.

In the end, I do not think of atheists as children of Satan, because if they were, they would not be atheists, they would be Satan worshipers. I know way too many atheists who carry out deeds that are positive and helpful, love others, and put others before themselves, to put them in a category of "evil." Thanks for the input, though!

 

[blondeambition3]

The last comment I'll make, and let you all go about your way, is that the problem in all of this is that there was no thought or mention of anyone who doesn't make a choice either way. In the parable about the "tares" and the "wheat," there is a distinction that the people have made a concious choice of one or the other. This does not address anyone who does not make a choice. So, while interpretations can lead one to believe whatever he or she wishes to, the specific issue of those who do not believe in any of it is not addressed.

So, an atheist, by definition, is not a Satan worshiper, or otherwise owned or ruled by Satan. In order to worship something, you must believe in it and embrace it. In order to be owned by or ruled by something, one must carry out acts and deeds as commanded by the ruler/owner. One cannot say that not believing in something, means that you belive in its antithesis.

In the end, I do not think of atheists as children of Satan, because if they were, they would not be atheists, they would be Satan worshipers. I know way too many atheists who carry out deeds that are positive and helpful, love others, and put others before themselves, to put them in a category of "evil." Thanks for the input, though!

The parable of the wheat and the tares is just the 'truth' of the World 'condition' as it is.. it does not mention 'conscious' choice in that parable.... merely if you're not God's children then you belong to the 'evil' one.

The World is God's and we're either 'in' His will or out of it and I wish I could persuade you to 'see' it the way God wishes you would... but you're viewing it from a very humanistic perspective. It doesn't fit into your understanding so it isn't so. I wish it were that simple and easy. Don't we all? .... and I thank you for your input also!

 

[blondeambition3]

honored SLAVE to a janty ego = blasphemy

no... that's addiction..

 

[Saintscruiser]

The last comment I'll make, and let you all go about your way, is that the problem in all of this is that there was no thought or mention of anyone who doesn't make a choice either way. In the parable about the "tares" and the "wheat," there is a distinction that the people have made a concious choice of one or the other. This does not address anyone who does not make a choice. So, while interpretations can lead one to believe whatever he or she wishes to, the specific issue of those who do not believe in any of it is not addressed.

So, an atheist, by definition, is not a Satan worshiper, or otherwise owned or ruled by Satan. In order to worship something, you must believe in it and embrace it. In order to be owned by or ruled by something, one must carry out acts and deeds as commanded by the ruler/owner. One cannot say that not believing in something, means that you belive in its antithesis.

In the end, I do not think of atheists as children of Satan, because if they were, they would not be atheists, they would be Satan worshipers. I know way too many atheists who carry out deeds that are positive and helpful, love others, and put others before themselves, to put them in a category of "evil." Thanks for the input, though!

Closet, the Scripture proved the point. You're either for Jesus or against Him.

Let's play a game......'Let's Make A Deal.' You've been picked by Monty Hall and you have a CHOICE of either taking what's behind door #1 or door #2. That is your only choice. There is no door #3. So, if you pick door #1, you've chosen Jesus with eternal life in a mansion forever....hanging out with John Wayne, the guy who spent 3 days in the stomach of a big fish....Jonah, the guy out in the wilderness baptizing people with water, declaring One greater will be coming....a tax collector named Matthew......a King named David who killed a giant with his slingshot and a few COPYRIGHTDMCA.....a woman who had never had sex relations at all named Mary, who had a baby named Jesus........who died for your sins so you can have eternal life with Him.

Okay.....now door #2 smells like #2.....with extreme heat that does not consume the body, with loud screams, agony and grinding of teeth....with people like the little man named Hitler who killed over 6,000,000 people......Genghis Kahn, a lovely man who liked to kill people ......another favorite, Joseph Stalin and Saddam Hussein who kill people just like it's a sport......your nice neighbor, who refused to accept Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior trying to bargain his way out of this lake of fire, but it's too late. His fate is sealed for eternity.

Now, I gave you clues which you don't get on that particular show. Knowing all of this in advance which door would you choose? What happens if you don't have to die to figure all of this out? What happens if unbeknownst to you, you were about to pick door #2 and are right there about to open the door, when you decide you'd rather have door #1? You still have time, Praise God, to choose. God has given you the freedom to choose. He doesn't want robots.

I pray, Closet, you choose door #1.

 

[LisaLisa]

The last comment I'll make, and let you all go about your way, is that the problem in all of this is that there was no thought or mention of anyone who doesn't make a choice either way. In the parable about the "tares" and the "wheat," there is a distinction that the people have made a concious choice of one or the other. This does not address anyone who does not make a choice. So, while interpretations can lead one to believe whatever he or she wishes to, the specific issue of those who do not believe in any of it is not addressed.

So, an atheist, by definition, is not a Satan worshiper, or otherwise owned or ruled by Satan. In order to worship something, you must believe in it and embrace it. In order to be owned by or ruled by something, one must carry out acts and deeds as commanded by the ruler/owner. One cannot say that not believing in something, means that you belive in its antithesis.

In the end, I do not think of atheists as children of Satan, because if they were, they would not be atheists, they would be Satan worshipers. I know way too many atheists who carry out deeds that are positive and helpful, love others, and put others before themselves, to put them in a category of "evil." Thanks for the input, though!

Your question has been answered, in depth, here using the scriptures and only the scriptures. The word of God speaks the truth and the answer was found there, and showed to you by these wonderful sisters.

So, you were asking God a question, and He already answered that question in His book, the Bible. The answer is very clear. If you have a problem with that answer, it's between you and God. We dont make the rules, we are just the messengers of His word.

You love your atheist friends, but God loves them even more then you do, He created them! He does not wish for even one to suffer, that's why He is so patient and wishes all to come to Him, the one who offers life and salvation. The one who does wish for them to suffer is Satan. Satan loves it when people reject God because he has them just where he wants them.

Just know that everything God does is right, righteous, and holy. Everyone will have the opportunity to hear the message of salvation before they die. After they hear that message, their choice is to accept it or reject it. That is how they make their choice one way or another. You can't be part of His Holy Kingdom if you reject Him and His provisions that allow for your entrance, which was the sacrifice of Jesus.

But here is the best part. God is so patient, and He loves each one of us so much that He gives us many chances. Right up till the minute that you take your last breath, you have the opportunity to call out to Him, accept Him, repent, and be saved. That's how awesome He is, and He won't hold against you the 99 times before that you rejected Him. He loves us that much.

But, after you take that last breath, it's too late, and none of us know when our last breath will be. Could be today, tomorrow, or next week. If you haven't already asked Jesus to come into your life and repented from your sins, then today is a great day to do that. Let your friends see Him and His love through you so that God might use you to reach your friends and they might seek salvation after seeing Jesus transform your life.

 

[blondeambition3]

Your question has been answered, in depth, here using the scriptures and only the scriptures. The word of God speaks the truth and the answer was found there, and showed to you by these wonderful sisters.

So, you were asking God a question, and He already answered that question in His book, the Bible. The answer is very clear. If you have a problem with that answer, it's between you and God. We dont make the rules, we are just the messengers of His word.

You love your atheist friends, but God loves them even more then you do, He created them! He does not wish for even one to suffer, that's why He is so patient and wishes all to come to Him, the one who offers life and salvation. The one who does wish for them to suffer is Satan. Satan loves it when people reject God because he has them just where he wants them.

Just know that everything God does is right, righteous, and holy. Everyone will have the opportunity to hear the message of salvation before they die. After they hear that message, their choice is to accept it or reject it. That is how they make their choice one way or another. You can't be part of His Holy Kingdom if you reject Him and His provisions that allow for your entrance, which was the sacrifice of Jesus.

But here is the best part. God is so patient, and He loves each one of us so much that He gives us many chances. Right up till the minute that you take your last breath, you have the opportunity to call out to Him, accept Him, repent, and be saved. That's how awesome He is, and He won't hold against you the 99 times before that you rejected Him. He loves us that much.

But, after you take that last breath, it's too late, and none of us know when our last breath will be. Could be today, tomorrow, or next week. If you haven't already asked Jesus to come into your life and repented from your sins, then today is a great day to do that. Let your friends see Him and His love through you so that God might use you to reach your friends and they might seek salvation after seeing Jesus transform your life.

Yes, Amen & Amen.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

Here's the confusion that I think many people have.

Most people believe that they, and everyone, is somehow neutral. Not on either side, but required to make a choice somehow. That is not what scripture teaches.

Our choice/relationship with God is more along the lines of marriage. Your ONLY choices are to get married, or to stay unmarried. Unless you make a choice FOR marriage, you remain UNmarried. The choice for Christ is the same. You either realize you need him and choose to accept the mercy and sacrifice that he offers on your behalf, or you choose to remain separated from him spiritually.

Satan rejected God, and wants all others to reject God and God's plan. It's not about whether or not you kill chickens and say a chant. It's about what you have done with Christ. You either accept and join with him, or you continue in life without him (rejection).

 

[LisaLisa]

Here's the confusion that I think many people have.

Most people believe that they, and everyone, is somehow neutral. Not on either side, but required to make a choice somehow. That is not what scripture teaches.

Our choice/relationship with God is more along the lines of marriage. Your ONLY choices are to get married, or to stay unmarried. Unless you make a choice FOR marriage, you remain UNmarried. The choice for Christ is the same. You either realize you need him and choose to accept the mercy and sacrifice that he offers on your behalf, or you choose to remain separated from him spiritually.

Satan rejected God, and wants all others to reject God and God's plan. It's not about whether or not you kill chickens and say a chant. It's about what you have done with Christ. You either accept and join with him, or you continue in life without him (rejection).

That's an awesome analogy Jason, best one I've ever heard.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Here's the confusion that I think many people have.

Most people believe that they, and everyone, is somehow neutral. Not on either side, but required to make a choice somehow. That is not what scripture teaches.

Our choice/relationship with God is more along the lines of marriage. Your ONLY choices are to get married, or to stay unmarried. Unless you make a choice FOR marriage, you remain UNmarried. The choice for Christ is the same. You either realize you need him and choose to accept the mercy and sacrifice that he offers on your behalf, or you choose to remain separated from him spiritually.

Satan rejected God, and wants all others to reject God and God's plan. It's not about whether or not you kill chickens and say a chant. It's about what you have done with Christ. You either accept and join with him, or you continue in life without him (rejection).

Like door #1 or door #2. You did a great job, Jason! I have no idea why the Lord led me to do Let's Make a Deal. I was about to type something else and I was pointed to that. Weird. Marriage or non-marriage....right on target!

 

[blondeambition3]

Here's the confusion that I think many people have.

Most people believe that they, and everyone, is somehow neutral. Not on either side, but required to make a choice somehow. That is not what scripture teaches.

Our choice/relationship with God is more along the lines of marriage. Your ONLY choices are to get married, or to stay unmarried. Unless you make a choice FOR marriage, you remain UNmarried. The choice for Christ is the same. You either realize you need him and choose to accept the mercy and sacrifice that he offers on your behalf, or you choose to remain separated from him spiritually.

Satan rejected God, and wants all others to reject God and God's plan. It's not about whether or not you kill chickens and say a chant. It's about what you have done with Christ. You either accept and join with him, or you continue in life without him (rejection).

beautiful analogy! Perfect even! We really needed you earlier... (lol)

 

[KellyinAZ]

I don't know if any of you watched any of the rest of those videos, but the creeped me out in a HUGE way. They were anything but inspiring but bizarre in fact. They made me very uncomfortable to watch but I watched 5 of them and they bothered me so much that I finally had to shut it down. Do yourselves a favor and do not watch any of the other parts of the video, I kid you not they were way off and very weird.

I think this about atheists, they do not believe in God or the existence of God or Christ His son. That does not mean they worship satan, it means they worship nothing; especially God. I suppose some may worship something like satan, however, I do not believe that agnostics or atheists are worshipers of satan. They worship absolutely nothing outside of themselves.

I have read your reasonings and Scripture but on this point I disagree, please don't jump all over me with both feet. I am giving my educated opinion and we are all entitled to have opinions and speak them freely...at least I hope we do, otherwise we all wouldn't be here.
Kelly
In God We trust

 

[LisaLisa]

I don't know if any of you watched any of the rest of those videos, but the creeped me out in a HUGE way. They were anything but inspiring but bizarre in fact. They made me very uncomfortable to watch but I watched 5 of them and they bothered me so much that I finally had to shut it down. Do yourselves a favor and do not watch any of the other parts of the video, I kid you not they were way off and very weird.

I think this about atheists, they do not believe in God or the existence of God or Christ His son. That does not mean they worship satan, it means they worship nothing; especially God. I suppose some may worship something like satan, however, I do not believe that agnostics or atheists are worshipers of satan. They worship absolutely nothing outside of themselves.

I have read your reasonings and Scripture but on this point I disagree, please don't jump all over me with both feet. I am giving my educated opinion and we are all entitled to have opinions and speak them freely...at least I hope we do, otherwise we all wouldn't be here.
Kelly
In God We trust

It's ok Kelly, we can agree to disagree on this. Not a problem at all.

 

[Jason_in_nc]

beautiful analogy! Perfect even! We really needed you earlier... (lol)

Better late than never?

 

[blondeambition3]

Better late than never?

That's right!

 

[blondeambition3]

I don't know if any of you watched any of the rest of those videos, but the creeped me out in a HUGE way. They were anything but inspiring but bizarre in fact. They made me very uncomfortable to watch but I watched 5 of them and they bothered me so much that I finally had to shut it down. Do yourselves a favor and do not watch any of the other parts of the video, I kid you not they were way off and very weird.

I think this about atheists, they do not believe in God or the existence of God or Christ His son. That does not mean they worship satan, it means they worship nothing; especially God. I suppose some may worship something like satan, however, I do not believe that agnostics or atheists are worshipers of satan. They worship absolutely nothing outside of themselves.

I have read your reasonings and Scripture but on this point I disagree, please don't jump all over me with both feet. I am giving my educated opinion and we are all entitled to have opinions and speak them freely...at least I hope we do, otherwise we all wouldn't be here.
Kelly
In God We trust

Hi Kelly and of course you're allowed to disagree... (lol) I'm with you, I don't believe all Atheists worship (or even acknowledge) Satan, it's like you said, they worship no one or nothing.

 

[LisaLisa]

Hi Kelly and of course you're allowed to disagree... (lol) I'm with you, I don't believe all Atheists worship (or even acknowledge) Satan, it's like you said, they worship no one or nothing.

Most atheists dont believe in satan, so they aren't worshiping him. But, if they reject God and live a sinful life while not repenting from their sins, they are eating at the table of demons, and they will not enter the Kingdom of God. Sorry, but that's what I believe, and I believe that the bible makes it very clear.

There are only 2 choices, even if you don't believe in either choice, the choices are still real and you make your choice by your beliefs or disbelief.

One of my friends is an atheist, she just turned atheist a few years ago. She openly mocks Jesus in a terrible way, calling Him "Dead man on a stick" or something like that making fun of Him on the cross. Laughing at Him, laughing at His sacrifice, laughing at the very thought of His existence. It actually makes me physically ill. For this reason, I've distanced myself from her, although it makes me incredibly sad.

Many atheists call God "sky cake man" or "noodly appendage man" and they make up cartoons to make fun of Him. Of course they don't really know they are making fun of Him because they don't believe that He exists. But, He sure does, and I can only imagine how this hurts His heart.

I know for a fact that this mocking God makes Satan VERY HAPPY. Refusing God and denying His existence also makes Satan VERY HAPPY. If you are doing things that are in line with Satan, and you are pleasing Him, I would call that a form of worship.

The truly saddest part of it is that most won't know the incredibly giant mistake they made until it's too late, and they will be spending eternity with the one who they choose to side with. That's the worst part of the whole thing.

 

[blondeambition3]

Most atheists dont believe in satan, so they aren't worshiping him. But, if they reject God and live a sinful life while not repenting from their sins, they are eating at the table of demons, and they will not enter the Kingdom of God. Sorry, but that's what I believe, and I believe that the bible makes it very clear.

There are only 2 choices, even if you don't believe in either choice, the choices are still real and you make your choice by your beliefs or disbelief.

One of my friends is an atheist, she just turned atheist a few years ago. She openly mocks Jesus in a terrible way, calling Him "Dead man on a stick" or something like that making fun of Him on the cross. Laughing at Him, laughing at His sacrifice, laughing at the very thought of His existence. It actually makes me physically ill. For this reason, I've distanced myself from her, although it makes me incredibly sad.

Many atheists call God "sky cake man" or "noodly appendage man" and they make up cartoons to make fun of Him. Of course they don't really know they are making fun of Him because they don't believe that He exists. But, He sure does, and I can only imagine how this hurts His heart.

I know for a fact that this mocking God makes Satan VERY HAPPY. Refusing God and denying His existence also makes Satan VERY HAPPY. If you are doing things that are in line with Satan, and you are pleasing Him, I would call that a form of worship.

The truly saddest part of it is that most won't know the incredibly giant mistake they made until it's too late, and they will be spending eternity with the one who they choose to side with. That's the worst part of the whole thing.

Absolutely great point Lisa! This is also 'why' I believe being an Atheist is 'equal' to being a Satanist. Even if they aren't 'actively' serving Satan, they're still 'serving' him.. and that's the 'point' they don't get... (lol) It's sort of like we Christians are 'damned' if we tell the truth, or 'damned' if we don't... many just won't 'get' the truth either way...

 

[LisaLisa]

Absolutely great point Lisa! This is also 'why' I believe being an Atheist is 'equal' to being a Satanist. Even if they aren't 'actively' serving Satan, they're still 'serving' him.. and that's the 'point' they don't get... (lol) It's sort of like we Christians are 'damned' if we tell the truth, or 'damned' if we don't... many just won't 'get' the truth either way...

That's exactly right! They think it's harmless fun, but nothing could be further from the truth. Very sad.

 

[blondeambition3]

That's exactly right! They think it's harmless fun, but nothing could be further from the truth. Very sad.

Oh Amen! It is so very sad...

 

[closetsmokr]

Me again...the only reason I'm posting is because you all have now really confused me about the whole question about Atheists and their alleged connection to Satan. The original post I made was inspired by comments made that linked Atheists directly to Satan - saying they are children of Satan - which essentially makes them sound like Satan worshipers, and therefore "bad" people. I took offense to this, because I do not think that a person who denies the existence of "gods" or "deities" is automatically a bad person - or a child of Satan.

Now, you have posted things like "I'm with you, I don't believe all Atheists worship (or even acknowledge) Satan, it's like you said, they worship no one or nothing." and "Most atheists dont believe in satan, so they aren't worshiping him."

Previously, you posted things like, "If you don't choose God and follow Him exclusively, you choose Satan by default." and "God doesn't "make" a person a child of satan, a person chooses that himself. If he does not choose God, then he chooses satan by default because those are the only 2 options."

I'm glad I came back to read some more, because now I see that some people don't agree with their own assertion that Atheist = Satan Worshiper. The reason I'm glad to see that is because, as I stated repeatedly, it isn't true. And every single post that was made to try to show me anything different never really supported that idea. There are more than two options - as with most things - and this case, there are at least three from a Christian perspective. Follow God, Follow Satan, or Follow No one.

Additionally, as is the case in all areas of humanity, there are people who do and say things that are not appropriate. If a person is a true Atheist, he or she really shouldn't bother making fun of God or Jesus, or Buddah, or Zeus, because, in reality, he or she doesn't believe in them. MOST Atheists don't bother tearing down something they don't believe in. And, as I stated before, most Atheists are fine human beings, doing selfless things for other people, helping charities, volunteering at charity events, and just being good citizens in general.

Again, Atheist - NOT the same as Satan Worshiper.