Atmistique Atomizers

[Felix1220]

^Wow^

I understood neither. Could you dumb it down a bit lol

I try my best, but with this I reach the borders of my english
For example:
You make a coil, only from 0.32 kanthal (no NR-R-NR)
0.32 Kanthal has 0.197 Ohms per cm
The coil has 1.9 ohm (example!)
You have a voltage from 4 Volts

That mean Ampere = Voltage/Ohms (I=U/R)

Your coil will take 2.1 Ampere.

But you didn’t used NR-R-NR

So again for example, lets think you have on each side of the coil 1cm free wire
That’s around 0.2 Ohm each side
That mean you can see our 1.9 ohm coil like 3 resistors -> 0.2 Ohm – 1.4 Ohm – 0.2 Ohm

On each of the 0.2 Ohm “resistors” you will lose 0.42 Volt
On the 1.4 Ohm coil you will have 2.94 Volt

Its not exactely because I rounded the values

That mean what you get is around 3 Volt for the coil and what you lose is around 1 Volt for the free ends

 

[digitals]

I try my best, but with this I reach the borders of my english
For example:
You make a coil, only from 0.32 kanthal (no NR-R-NR)
0.32 Kanthal has 0.197 Ohms per cm
The coil has 1.9 ohm (example!)
You have a voltage from 4 Volts

That mean Ampere = Voltage/Ohms (I=U/R)

Your coil will take 2.1 Ampere.

But you didn’t used NR-R-NR

So again for example, lets think you have on each side of the coil 1cm free wire
That’s around 0.2 Ohm each side
That mean you can see our 1.9 ohm coil like 3 resistors -> 0.2 Ohm – 1.4 Ohm – 0.2 Ohm

On each of the 0.2 Ohm “resistors” you will lose 0.42 Volt
On the 1.4 Ohm coil you will have 2.94 Volt

Its not exactely because I rounded the values

That mean what you get is around 3 Volt for the coil and what you lose is around 1 Volt for the free ends

Now I follow you. Your English was just fine my friend.

 

[Felix1220]

one thing more - if you use only a thick wire like 0.3 mm in the Diver, you might get a problem
0.2mm is the best for the pin in the ceramic, 0.25 works also, but in some ceramics its to tight

 

[qorax]

sure it will work but you will lose a lot of power.
just an example, 0.32 kanthal has 0,197 ohms per cm
your coil has 1.9 ohm
on each end you have 1 cm "free wire" (diver has little bit less than 1 cm, but its only an example)
the effectiv coil has 1,4 ohm, each end will have 0.2 ohm
mean you lose 25% of your voltage
I made an picture, i guess this is more easy to understand than my english
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Fantastic, Felixbro!
Also, Impedance Wasted = Energy Wasted = Using More but Getting Less (=Poor ROI*, Bad Business)
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[raqball]

Dang that's a lot of info Felix1220 -- Thanks!



But, I am going to continue my R wire only experiment for now.. Still vaping like a beast! I disassembled this am and checked the o-rings and the ceramic, all is fine and it's still blowing clouds and tastes great..

Admittedly, I am just lazy and don't want to join the wires. Maybe the pre-mades are the way to go for lazy folks like me?

If the R wire continues to preform however, I think I will just keep on trucking with them!

 

[Felix1220]

Still vaping like a beast!

and thats the only thing importand

I think as long as the voltage of your battery is not to low it will be fine

 

[Singlespeed]

I run 28 guage wires on a full R setup before... LOL

Same resistance, but the NR-R-NR feels more intense for me.

 

[Felix1220]

but another problem...
If i use the V2 in my Scuba tank, it fit perfect
but in my SnP the V2 has the tendency to "eat" the O-rings. (makes no difference if brown or red)
The V2 looks good, no sharp edges, I have tried to polish it also
anyway, not a big deal as long as I have the scuba
but maybe somebody has a hint for me?
should I try with silica instead of cotton?

 

[raqball]

I run 28 guage wires on a full R setup before... LOL

Same resistance, but the NR-R-NR feels more intense for me.

I've never noticed a difference in the vape.. I ran R wire only in the V1 before and it was fine but the concern was the R wire would damage the delrin in the V1 base

V2 has no delrin so it's a non issue now.. I will continue testing and see how it goes.

 

[digitals]

but another problem...
If i use the V2 in my Scuba tank, it fit perfect
but in my SnP the V2 has the tendency to "eat" the O-rings. (makes no difference if brown or red)
The V2 looks good, no sharp edges, I have tried to polish it also
anyway, not a big deal as long as I have the scuba
but maybe somebody has a hint for me?
should I try with silica instead of cotton?
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Hint = SnP/Sophia & Scuba/Diver

I tried my Diver in the SnP to no avail. Not a problem, just pick up another Scuba. Problem solved

 

[raqball]

but another problem...
If i use the V2 in my Scuba tank, it fit perfect
but in my SnP the V2 has the tendency to "eat" the O-rings. (makes no difference if brown or red)
The V2 looks good, no sharp edges, I have tried to polish it also
anyway, not a big deal as long as I have the scuba
but maybe somebody has a hint for me?
should I try with silica instead of cotton?

I have never had an SnP where the inner o-rings don't get shredded..

 

[Felix1220]

but the concern was the R wire would damage the delrin in the V1 base

I dont think so, a coil starts to glow in the middle, even if its cooled by liquid

 

[qorax]

but another problem...
If i use the V2 in my Scuba tank, it fit perfect
but in my SnP the V2 has the tendency to "eat" the O-rings. (makes no difference if brown or red)
The V2 looks good, no sharp edges, I have tried to polish it also
anyway, not a big deal as long as I have the scuba
but maybe somebody has a hint for me?
should I try with silica instead of cotton?
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The SnP is the 'tightest' of the tanks out there. It thus, tends to pry on the inner rings everytime you insert anything. It's always wise to lube the O-rings and the Carto-RBA generously before putting them thru. And to use a softer force (I know, I know) in the escapade.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Some SnPs can be a tighter fit. Do you use the carto tool that came with the SnP? I use it for all my tanks and carto-RBAs. It will save your o-rings.

but another problem...
If i use the V2 in my Scuba tank, it fit perfect
but in my SnP the V2 has the tendency to "eat" the O-rings. (makes no difference if brown or red)
The V2 looks good, no sharp edges, I have tried to polish it also
anyway, not a big deal as long as I have the scuba
but maybe somebody has a hint for me?
should I try with silica instead of cotton?
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View attachment 278195

 

[Felix1220]

The SnP is the 'tightest' of the tanks out there. It thus, tends to pry on the inner rings everytime you insert anything. It's always wise to lube the O-rings and the Carto-RBA generously before putting them thru. And to use a softer force (I know, I know) in the escapade.

yes, its really tight..
but its not really a problem, the SnP is now for the V1

 

[Felix1220]

Some SnPs can be a tighter fit. Do you use the carto tool that came with the SnP? I use it for all my tanks and carto-RBAs. It will save your o-rings.

yes i use the carto tool, this happens only to the base not the top cap

 

[qorax]

 

[Akdare]

The SnP is the 'tightest' of the tanks out there. It thus, tends to pry on the inner rings everytime you insert anything. It's always wise to lube the O-rings and the Carto-RBA generously before putting them thru. And to use a softer force (I know, I know) in the escapade.

Agreed. I also think that the double o rings contribute to the tightness. I even had trouble with just the carto tool getting through. Had to really put a lot of juice on it to get it through. More twisting, less pushing. These posts always sound dirty.


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[Konstantinos]

Felix pls do what Qorax suggest and also dont forget everywhere there is oring go always twisting

 

[finagle69]

sure it will work but you will lose a lot of power.
just an example, 0.32 kanthal has 0,197 ohms per cm
your coil has 1.9 ohm
on each end you have 1 cm "free wire" (diver has little bit less than 1 cm, but its only an example)
the effectiv coil has 1,4 ohm, each end will have 0.2 ohm
mean you lose 25% of your voltage
I made an picture, i guess this is more easy to understand than my english
View attachment 278164

As a EE, I like seeing people make circuit diagrams. That said, I'll be making an R only coil for my BB. What I lose in power I can make up by cranking the volts up. efficiency be damned.

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