Attack of the Hana Modz Clone. Let's wait together!

[mikecup]

I thought i made it clear that i read everything there is to read already , multiple times actually and the reviews seem very positive . I actually see more problems with other vendors clones to be honest , seems nearly every one out of three somethings wrong .

There is a pic of the insides on a few FT's pages and comments from reviewers , some say it's a mess but most say it's very neat and looks good but some excess glue.

I feel a hell of a lot better with a six month return policy and paying $56.00 than paying considerably more for a nearly non existent warranty (unless it's defective out of the box) and no chance to return it if you change your mind.

I agree with you. I have the FT 20w dna in black and its perfect. very nice finish all the way around. I really like the small buttons very easy for me to push. I have been using it for a week now, my fingers are not sore. My taifun GT fits flush as does most of my attys. Been using it a 15w with a 1.5 ohm coil volts reading 4.8, so its showing what it should. The charging port turns green when charged, using a sony vtc5. Goes into sleep mode in about a min after last fire, which is a good thing, less battery drain. All I do is hold the fire button and in 2 sec's it fires again, great feature in my opinion.
Now that FT has the dna30's ($56) I have ordered 2 more different colors. I have never had a problem from FT that was not rectified quickly, been ordering from them for bout a year now.

 

[dwcraig1]

Of 65 orders with FT I've had to make 12 tickets, all were handled quickly and to my satisfaction. Reminds me of Walmart

 

[mikecup]

Of 65 orders with FT I've had to make 12 tickets, all were handled quickly and to my satisfaction. Reminds me of Walmart

And I thought I ordered a lot from them, I'm at 41 orders so far. There prices are unbeatable for sure. I have no idea why I need so much vaping gear. But I guess I have to spend my money somewhere I make my own juice, so wizard labs gets a lot of my business also.

 

[retird]

As Previously posted:

I did a few tests this afternoon.... USB 2 and USB 3 had no bearing on whether the light turned green or red... mine stays red and dims by about 1/2 at full charge. I had previously drilled a hole beside the usb port on the clone so the led was very easy to see.

And on the performance I did the following:

Put together a new carto tank with 3.0 ohm carto. Checked the ohm's of the carto with a ohm checker and meter and both read 3.0 ohms.

Plugged in 8.5 watts @ 3.0 ohm's into my Ohm's Law calculator and receive the voltage answer of 5.04975 volts.

Set my real DNA wattage to 8.5 watts with a fully charged battery. Set the Clone to 8.5 watts with a fully charged battery.

Screwed the tank onto the real DNA and pressed the fire button. Results from the display was: Wattage 8.5 Ohm reading 3.0 Voltage reading 5.1v (5.04975 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed the same tank on the Clone and pressed the fire button. Results from the display was: Wattage 8.5 Ohm reading 2.7 Voltage reading 4.7v (4.79062 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed an in-line voltage meter onto the real DNA and screwed the tank into it. Fired with same 8.5 wattage setting and the in-line meter read at 5.1v. The dna display read 5.1v. (5.04975 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed the in-line voltage meter onto the Clone and screwed the tank into it. Fired with the same 8.5 wattage setting and the in-line meter read at 4.6v. The dna display read 4.7v. (4.79062 per ohm's law calculator @ 8.5 watts )

Also Peviously Posted:


Morning coffee and a vape....

My final opinion is that the clone enclosure, battery holder, and buttons are good. The rest of the internals and 510 connector are not ready for prime time and may be dangerous.

Conclusion is that I cannot and will not recommend this device (logo or non-logo version).

Supporting information being added with this post:

Issues and/or comments reported either here or elsewhere:
1. Milling process of the enclosure allows “swirls” in the drip well and fire switch areas.
2. Removable back plate of the enclosure may not fit smoothly in all devices.
3. Screws used the back plate are of poor quality.
4. Threaded hole to receive the back plate screws are stripped on some devices.
5. 510 connector center pin is not properly sized in width thus allowing possible short circuits to occur with certain toppers.
6. 510 connector not installed flush with the enclosure thus allowing slightly tilting of toppers on some devices.
7. Battery holder can become dislodged from enclosure due to the use of less effective attachment securing media.
8. USB port can be dislodged from enclosure due to use of less effective attachment securing media.
9. Fire/up/down buttons can become dislodged in some devices due to the use of less effective attachment media.
10. On some devices the attachment media used to secure the clone dna board in the enclosure is applied over board components that radiate heat during operation. This can allow heat buildup.
11. USB charging board led’s are not properly fitted and/or the enclosure does not allow easily visual indication of charge state.
12. When pressing the fire button to allow the unit to operate from sleep mode two or more presses are required.
13. When coming out of sleep mode it is noted that the wattage setting has changed on some devices requiring resetting the wattage each time the device comes out of sleep mode.
14. When the device is in locked mode and it comes out of sleep mode with the power lock function activated the power lock mode is no longer activated in some devices.
15. When the device is in sleep mode and left unattended it will come out of sleep mode without any button push by the user on some devices.
16. The on board temperature sensing circuit activates at a higher rate of occurrence compared to the real dna.
17. The ohm reading on the display does not accurately relay the true ohm reading of the coil it is measuring. The variance may be small or larger depending on the clone device as there is no consistent variation.
18. The voltage reading while firing displayed is different that the voltage actually reaching the coil.
19. The warranty contained in the instruction sheet indicated a manufacturer warranty of 90 days. This has not been confirmed however vendors warranty periods are all over the map from DOA to 7 weeks to ?????
20. Logo devices and those that display Hana Modzs on the display seem to violate USA trademark laws. Some vendors have gone underground and China is still sending them and vendors are still selling them.
21. The Clone is reported by many to put out less power that the real dna at the same wattage setting. A scope analysis will eventually compare them to either confirm or deny this claim. My experience confirms this assumption.

I know I have probably missed a few more things so this is not a complete list. Having researched, used, tested and compared many, many devices over many years and building many devices myself I reached my conclusion trying to take all aspects into consideration. This device exhibited more concerns to me than any other device I have used or have memory of. I do not expect, nor intend, that you adopt my conclusion. I only present it as MY CONCLUSION.

My Conclusion Post was intended to be my last post here so I only give you this one in an effort to inform and provide additional information, most of which is already spread throughout this thread.

Have a great day….

retird

 

[Iceclouds]

The 18650 Hana (Cana30's) on on FastTech now
$56.00 HANA MODZ Pack DNA 30 Style Mod - 1*18650 / 7W-30W at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

They appear to have the split across the drip well like the 20

Yes this is the "Hotcig version" I have both the DNA 20 and DNA 30 of this style box....functions pretty good but not as good overall as the Cloupor....IMO

 

[Iceclouds]

Still no issues with my Cana from illvapes. I've now run through the battery once and had to charge, no red light issues with mine. Plugged it in last night before bed to a USB wall charger and the mod had a red glow at the bottom of the screen window. This morning, green glow.

Loving this mod. Can't wait for my vaporshark to get here.

You will love the Vapor Shark....it "Out hits" these Hanas by quite a bit....I unfortunately just lost my VP to my wife...she discovered Dripping this weekend at World Vapor Expo in Miami and since the VP is the smallest of our DNA 30s....she has taken charge of it.....

 

[Completely Average]

What exactly do you believe is DANGEROUS about these clones?


That's a very strong accusation to make when nothing you listed as being a problem is dangerous. The worst you've listed is that some components on the board may be covered with glue which would cause them to overheat faster, but that's not dangerous. Where is the risk to life and health?

 

[wonkeypickle]

And with these chips you will get that power for the life of the battery, not however long your battery is at full charge (which isn't very long).

There is an upgrade in the works from YiHi for the SX350 which will bring it to 40W very soon, and eventually 50W. You can get that from a mech with .3Ω, but only with a mech that will put out above 4v under load.

Great post, however the point about battery drop off being unexistant in regulated devices imo is simply untrue. It may be less noticable in the authentic dna, but i'm pretty sure most people on here can agree the cana loses steam(no pun intended) once the battery's voltage becomes close to empty.

 

[Iceclouds]

Well you said it.. YOU READ. Go read them all with an unbiased mind. Read mine. Read all the POST receipt threads complaining about these things and more. Read about all the different minor and major failures.

BTW - The new 30 is likely to have the same problems. FT elected not to post pics of it open.

The only positive, in mind anyway, is the that it APPEARS they elected to change the bad 510, to who knows what. I will wait (this time) and see.

Here is what the inside of that particular box looks like, I have that version......

 

[Iceclouds]

As Previously posted:

I did a few tests this afternoon.... USB 2 and USB 3 had no bearing on whether the light turned green or red... mine stays red and dims by about 1/2 at full charge. I had previously drilled a hole beside the usb port on the clone so the led was very easy to see.

And on the performance I did the following:

Put together a new carto tank with 3.0 ohm carto. Checked the ohm's of the carto with a ohm checker and meter and both read 3.0 ohms.

Plugged in 8.5 watts @ 3.0 ohm's into my Ohm's Law calculator and receive the voltage answer of 5.04975 volts.

Set my real DNA wattage to 8.5 watts with a fully charged battery. Set the Clone to 8.5 watts with a fully charged battery.

Screwed the tank onto the real DNA and pressed the fire button. Results from the display was: Wattage 8.5 Ohm reading 3.0 Voltage reading 5.1v (5.04975 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed the same tank on the Clone and pressed the fire button. Results from the display was: Wattage 8.5 Ohm reading 2.7 Voltage reading 4.7v (4.79062 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed an in-line voltage meter onto the real DNA and screwed the tank into it. Fired with same 8.5 wattage setting and the in-line meter read at 5.1v. The dna display read 5.1v. (5.04975 per ohm's law calculator)

Screwed the in-line voltage meter onto the Clone and screwed the tank into it. Fired with the same 8.5 wattage setting and the in-line meter read at 4.6v. The dna display read 4.7v. (4.79062 per ohm's law calculator @ 8.5 watts )

Also Peviously Posted:


Morning coffee and a vape....

My final opinion is that the clone enclosure, battery holder, and buttons are good. The rest of the internals and 510 connector are not ready for prime time and may be dangerous.

Conclusion is that I cannot and will not recommend this device (logo or non-logo version).

Supporting information being added with this post:

Issues and/or comments reported either here or elsewhere:
1. Milling process of the enclosure allows “swirls” in the drip well and fire switch areas.
2. Removable back plate of the enclosure may not fit smoothly in all devices.
3. Screws used the back plate are of poor quality.
4. Threaded hole to receive the back plate screws are stripped on some devices.
5. 510 connector center pin is not properly sized in width thus allowing possible short circuits to occur with certain toppers.
6. 510 connector not installed flush with the enclosure thus allowing slightly tilting of toppers on some devices.
7. Battery holder can become dislodged from enclosure due to the use of less effective attachment securing media.
8. USB port can be dislodged from enclosure due to use of less effective attachment securing media.
9. Fire/up/down buttons can become dislodged in some devices due to the use of less effective attachment media.
10. On some devices the attachment media used to secure the clone dna board in the enclosure is applied over board components that radiate heat during operation. This can allow heat buildup.
11. USB charging board led’s are not properly fitted and/or the enclosure does not allow easily visual indication of charge state.
12. When pressing the fire button to allow the unit to operate from sleep mode two or more presses are required.
13. When coming out of sleep mode it is noted that the wattage setting has changed on some devices requiring resetting the wattage each time the device comes out of sleep mode.
14. When the device is in locked mode and it comes out of sleep mode with the power lock function activated the power lock mode is no longer activated in some devices.
15. When the device is in sleep mode and left unattended it will come out of sleep mode without any button push by the user on some devices.
16. The on board temperature sensing circuit activates at a higher rate of occurrence compared to the real dna.
17. The ohm reading on the display does not accurately relay the true ohm reading of the coil it is measuring. The variance may be small or larger depending on the clone device as there is no consistent variation.
18. The voltage reading while firing displayed is different that the voltage actually reaching the coil.
19. The warranty contained in the instruction sheet indicated a manufacturer warranty of 90 days. This has not been confirmed however vendors warranty periods are all over the map from DOA to 7 weeks to ?????
20. Logo devices and those that display Hana Modzs on the display seem to violate USA trademark laws. Some vendors have gone underground and China is still sending them and vendors are still selling them.
21. The Clone is reported by many to put out less power that the real dna at the same wattage setting. A scope analysis will eventually compare them to either confirm or deny this claim. My experience confirms this assumption.

I know I have probably missed a few more things so this is not a complete list. Having researched, used, tested and compared many, many devices over many years and building many devices myself I reached my conclusion trying to take all aspects into consideration. This device exhibited more concerns to me than any other device I have used or have memory of. I do not expect, nor intend, that you adopt my conclusion. I only present it as MY CONCLUSION.

My Conclusion Post was intended to be my last post here so I only give you this one in an effort to inform and provide additional information, most of which is already spread throughout this thread.

Have a great day….

retird

Damm, I am running out the door and throwing all three of my mods in the garbage.......LMAO.....good riddens....and GB!!

 

[Iceclouds]

What exactly do you believe is DANGEROUS about these clones?


That's a very strong accusation to make when nothing you listed as being a problem is dangerous. The worst you've listed is that some components on the board may be covered with glue which would cause them to overheat faster, but that's not dangerous. Where is the risk to life and health?

Honestly I think he is "Full of it" sounds like Rip Trippers....hey Rip only found 1 negative thing....Retirds list looks like "The Magna Carta"....OMG!!!!! Run!!!!! Before it explodes....Tick...Tick....Tick....

 

[wonkeypickle]

Honestly I think he is "Full of it" sounds like Rip Trippers....hey Rip only found 1 negative thing....Retirds list looks like "The Magna Carta"....OMG!!!!! Run!!!!! Before it explodes....Tick...Tick....Tick....

And while i do appreciate retird pointing out these flaws (they certainly shouldn't be ignored), i will ask why a 70 dollar device has gone under so much scrutiny. As far as ecig hardware goes, seventy dollars doesn't get you much. i have seen limited edition drip tips go for that...
if this thing shows up and works better than a vamo with more power then thats money well spent imo. I don't expect mil spec wiring and flawless paint for the price i spent on dinner friday night.

 

[armadillo]

I for one appreciate the info that retird has graciously compiled. It is factually unimpeachable and everybody is free to draw their own conclusions. I don't see any problem with that.

 

[classwife]

So...


Poking and antagonizing posts, rudeness - not gonna do it here.

Have your conversations without attacking the poster.

 

[Iceclouds]

And while i do appreciate retird pointing out these flaws (they certainly shouldn't be ignored), i will ask why a 70 dollar device has gone under so much scrutiny. As far as ecig hardware goes, seventy dollars doesn't get you much. i have seen limited edition drip tips go for that...
if this thing shows up and works better than a vamo with more power then thats money well spent imo. I don't expect mil spec wiring and flawless paint for the price i spent on dinner friday night.

I do also GREATLY appreciate his work and enthusiasm....but come on...is not "just that it is a $70.00 item" but not even the FDA would have had such an extensive list of concerns, a none enthusiast or nuube will run away from this device after reading that "Scroll"....well then maybe that was the intention.....Nothing Personal against Retird, but IMO.....overkill.....just saying

 

[Iceclouds]

So...


Poking and antagonizing posts, rudeness - not gonna do it here.

Have your conversations without attacking the poster.

My apologies to the forum and to Retird, not trying to be personal just voicing my opinion.....Sorry

 

[MegaVap]

@retird

Show me a device that is perfect in every way, even genuine DNA chip is "off" specs as others have stated. This is a first generation product, yes, I'm sure they rushed it to beat the crowd. There are many components to this mod and being that it's the first time they manufactured this clone issues are expected. I mean who does something "perfect" the first time they try something?
Yes, there are some annoying things about my CANA but I realize, it is what it is.
Overall great first attempt Cloupor! It's not a total flop!

 

[armadillo]

Look at it this way: Identifying the shortcomings of a product will eventually lead Cloupor to improve it. If they are not pointed out and everybody just stays mum, what incentive would they have to fix the issues in subsequent versions. Retird is doing Cloupor and us users a favor. And obviously not each and every issue is present in every mod either.

 

[garpt01]

My apologies to the forum and to Retird, not trying to be personal just voicing my opinion.....Sorry

Agree with Iceclouds and others here. It is a strange conclusion and leaving his suppositions unexplained and apparently silencing himself is doing no benefit to the forum or this thread.

No rudeness or antagonism intended by me as well.

 

[MegaVap]

Hey Iceclouds can you do a closeup of the 510 connector. Looks like little to no glue and the buttons too,how are they attached?