Attack of the Hana Modz Clone. Let's wait together!

[Completely Average]

Well, as I understand it, the chip actually never really "sleeps" (whatever that means). Peeps have reported that their mods drain some 20% over night without any use. So the chip is in some kind of standby mode. This worries me quite a bit,

Why?

EVERY electronic device you own does it. You're television is never really off. If it was then how would it know you pressed a button on the remote. Same with your PC, it's never off. Clocks, ovens, microwave, phone, all of it is always on.

Sleep mode is exactly what it sounds like. It's not off, it's just inactive, but it's always listening for an input so it can become active.

as that could at some point lead to some spontaneous activity (peeps have reported the screen turning on spontaneously) and now apparently firing spontaneously. It is really immaterial whether the chip is at fault or some thermal expansion/contraction causing a physical short. If I had to go to bed with the mod sitting there and doing something makes me quite uneasy. This is important info for both existing and potential users.

My SVD did the exact same thing. Started firing, wouldn't stop. It's a button failure. That's why I don't use my SVD anymore and why I have such nice clear pictures of the insides of one.

But it's a single failure out of thousands, possibly tens of thousands of mods out there. If dozens of people were saying it was happening then I would absolutely agree with the concern, but right now it is ONE mod that did this.


Let me put it this way... Whatever car you drive I'll bet I can find at least a dozen cases of them catching fire. Are you now just as afraid of driving your car as you are of this mod?

 

[Completely Average]

Well I'm not an electrical engineer, I just figured with all the glue and crappy way these things are put together that something my have shorted out and caused them to fire.

But that comes back to a physical short in the wiring, not the chip.

If the buttons are that flimsy then these clones are just not safe to use period.

I defer to your expertise.

ONE button failure.
3 buttons per mod.
How many mods worldwide?


Let's keep this in proper perspective shall we? Surely you don't expect 100% defect free, do you? Nothing on earth is 100% defect free.

I'm not trying to say there aren't problems here and there. I've said all along that I would be shocked if less than a third of these had failed within the first year. To be totally honest I don't like the way they are put together.

HOWEVER, in the interest of everyone who has one as well as everyone who is thinking of getting one, let's try to approach the reports of problems rationally and not run around like Chicken Little declaring that the sky is falling. Make a mental note of the problem, but keep in mind, so far it's just ONE mod that has done this.

 

[armadillo]

Well, neither my television nor my car are made by Cloupor...

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Here's my problem with the "It's the chip" theory....

First, it's not an actual failure of the chip. The chip works fine. It's firing the mod so it hasn't failed. It would have to be a software glitch rather than a hardware failure of the chip.

Fine, I work with software glitches all of the time. However, this isn't a single glitch, it requires a minimum of two separate glitches, one happening right after the other in the right order.

Your first glitch would be the chip waking itself up out of sleep mode without any input. The programing on this would be a simple open/closed reading of the circuit from the fire button. If it's open, the chip sleeps, if it closes the chip wakes up. But this glitch would require the chip to wake up despite never getting that closed reading from the circuit.

Then it has to glitch again, this time firing the mod non-stop. This is an entirely different glitch from the first because the chip cannot fire if it is asleep. It has to wake up, read the atomizer and battery, and then fire, again, with the circuit to the fire button being open and no current flowing through it. That would require the chip be physically wired to bypass the fire button. It can't pass voltage from the battery to the atomizer with no current going through the firing button unless the firing button is on an entirely separate circuit and the chip is handling voltage transmission between the two separate circuits.

But, again, this would have to be a software failure, so we are looking at the software making two changes to two different circuits, neither powered, and without any input.

And it would have to only happen to one mod, despite ALL of these mods using the same chips and the same software.



Or it could just be a collapsed contact inside a button.

Lol- yeah I find it amusing- can't help it.
The board only does what it's told.
But things like this are the reason I was hell bent on the build quality of the clones. I know myself I'll get it apart and start inspecting all the peripherals and change out or fix the week points next thing I know I would have spent more fixing the clone than buying a quality built mod. Not that clones can't be quality; I have several quality clones. But either they were already cheap or I made sure they were quality first. I'm in the position where I need to buy smart not cheap.
It's always a connecting pint that's weak and a switch or the charging port by the nature of their connections are the most likely to fail.
I still find the assumption that the "magic" board screws up. It's almost always a physical or mechanical failure. Which can be fixed.

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[retird]

Nope not mis-guided... the clone was not ready for human consumption....quality control stinks and beta testing is being done by the customers... end of story...China has used the end-users as beta testers for years.... some things never change... oh well.... know it's not what you want to hear but it is what it is....

I only wish everybody with a clone that has issues could get theirs fixed/replaced but really doubt if Cloupor will do a recall....and remember during the pre-order days you were told you were pre-ordering a 1:1 Clone....never happened... the clone morphed into something different..... and I understand how some will defend a 70 dollar mod till the cows come home.... I'm certainly not defending mine but only gonna convert it into a dependable one when the parts arrive...

Been fun meeting new ECF'ers and discussing/debating/and etc. Not much left to say in this thread that hasn't been said.... I'll be less interested in this thread now and wish all you guys/gal the best in life....vape safe.... hope to see ya all in other threads on ECF....


One last thing...... vaping is still under attack by the FDA and others.... please read this and write your Senators now....

CASAA: Call to Action! Senate Commerce Committee Hearing June 18, 2014 regarding E-Cigarettes

I highlighted (above) what I said.....note I never said goodbye or that I was moving on....


And here is how you twisted it..... I highlighted what you said (below)......

I'm surprised he (Retird) is even here, he said several days ago Goodbye to the Thread that he was moving on....Oh my bad, he found another negative thing to post about this box, that's why he landed back in here.....Is funny there are several members that disappear for days/weeks and as soon as something negative is posted, they come out of the Woodworks....hummmmmm Oh well "It is, what it is"

Sometime people actually care for others and post to share information from other sources as I did earlier... sorry that bothered you but IT IS WHAT IT IS.....

 

[Iceclouds]

I'm shocked you didn't sick the guard dog on me for even talking to you. You amaze me with your ninja like ways.

It's not really that outrageous. "Lets wait together". The waiting for some is done so they no longer need to wait. Nothing wrong with coming back to report on things to give the "waiters" a good heads up on potential issues they face.

I agree with you 100%, my problem is that I see None of those people "Ever" coming in here to report/re-post anything positive...that's my whole point, almost as if they had a hidden agenda....IMHO

 

[Steve58]

Anyone have the wetvapes coupon code?

 

[retird]

My hope is that those that recommend this Clone to others are kind enough to tell them of the reported issues/quirks/ etc. Many posters throughout this thread have posted such issues/quirks/ etc. and I, for one, appreciate their concerns....

Here is a semi-complete list of them:

Issues and/or comments reported either here or elsewhere:
1. Milling process of the enclosure allows “swirls” in the drip well and fire switch areas.
2. Removable back plate of the enclosure may not fit smoothly in all devices.
3. Screws used the back plate are of poor quality.
4. Threaded hole to receive the back plate screws are stripped on some devices.
5. 510 connector center pin is not properly sized in width thus allowing possible short circuits to occur with certain toppers.
6. 510 connector not installed flush with the enclosure thus allowing slightly tilting of toppers on some devices.
7. Battery holder can become dislodged from enclosure due to the use of less effective attachment securing media.
8. USB port can be dislodged from enclosure due to use of less effective attachment securing media.
9. Fire/up/down buttons can become dislodged in some devices due to the use of less effective attachment media.
10. On some devices the attachment media used to secure the clone dna board in the enclosure is applied over board components that radiate heat during operation. This can allow heat buildup.
11. USB charging board led’s are not properly fitted and/or the enclosure does not allow easily visual indication of charge state.
12. When pressing the fire button to allow the unit to operate from sleep mode two or more presses are required.
13. When coming out of sleep mode it is noted that the wattage setting has changed on some devices requiring resetting the wattage each time the device comes out of sleep mode.
14. When the device is in locked mode and it comes out of sleep mode with the power lock function activated the power lock mode is no longer activated in some devices.
15. When the device is in sleep mode and left unattended it will come out of sleep mode without any button push by the user on some devices.
16. The on board temperature sensing circuit activates at a higher rate of occurrence compared to the real dna.
17. The ohm reading on the display does not accurately relay the true ohm reading of the coil it is measuring. The variance may be small or larger depending on the clone device as there is no consistent variation.
18. The voltage reading while firing displayed is different that the voltage actually reaching the coil.
19. The warranty contained in the instruction sheet indicated a manufacturer warranty of 90 days. This has not been confirmed however vendors warranty periods are all over the map from DOA to 7 weeks to ?????
20. Logo devices and those that display Hana Modzs on the display seem to violate USA trademark laws. Some vendors have gone underground and China is still sending them and vendors are still selling them.
21. The Clone is reported by many to put out less power that the real dna at the same wattage setting. A scope analysis will eventually compare them to either confirm or deny this claim. My experience confirms this assumption.
22. When charging in locked mode the clone may no longer unlock thus the device will no longer operate in any way. Removing and replacing the battery has no effect.
23. Enclosure body scratches very easily. Many vapers are adding wraps to protect the enclosure.
24. When coming out of sleep mode the device will fire but the display is not showing anything as if the display is dead.
25. Device can fire without any human intervention.

I know I have probably missed a few more things so this is not a complete list.

 

[munsterrr]

My hope is that those that recommend this Clone to others are kind enough to tell them of the reported issues/quirks/ etc. Many posters throughout this thread have posted such issues/quirks/ etc. and I, for one, appreciate their concerns....

Oh absolutely. I've had a bunch of people ask about it over the past few days and after the "ohhhh i want one!" I quickly reply with common issues we have seen around here and recommend other things.

 

[jd1978]

The buttons on these mods are WEAK. How do I know? I pulled my dead silver from WV apart, firing button completely disassembled. My silver mod, fired all by itself. The 510 also shorted due to the obscenely large center pin, and possibly me tinkering with it. My board also has two scorch marks on it, i believe it to be fried at this point. I have a evolve board waiting to go in. Also have 3 new 510 connectors and a new set of buttons on the way.

Now on a lighter note. My green mod from 101 is still working stellar after 3 weeks. Some will defend their 70$ purchase til the end regardless. I, however, tend to view things the way they are. A 70$ turd is still a turd. I just happen to own one of them.

 

[Iceclouds]

OMG the Magna Carta has resurfaced......LOL

 

[chief63]

Dunno...after a month I don't have any issues I find concerning. We'll see in 3 months.

 

[entoptic]

Okay, 15 minutes out-of-the-box.
Aluminum screws replaced with steel ones by the vendor.
Fires all of my attachments from .5 ohms to 1.5 ohms.
All attachments sit flush with the unit and are straight.
Fires straight from sleep mode.




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[Fir3b1rd]

Okay, 15 minutes out-of-the-box.
Aluminum screws replaced with steel ones by the vendor.
Fires all of my attachments from .5 ohms to 1.5 ohms.
All attachments sit flush with the unit and are straight.
Fires straight from sleep mode.




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So the vendor tried to fix some if the issues people were having?
Which vendor?


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[entoptic]

sorry elev8, guess the res is too low to see the packing slip....oh, lol, didn't post it...

 

[entoptic]

it's unlikely that I will be using it for too much above 15w, but just for giggles, I did take it up to 25w on the k-fun....scorched wick. oh well! It just had to be the k-fun I hate having to take that apart to rewick. I'll post any other changes as they happen. Ohhhh and it did fire on a protank2 without issue. I have'nt tried it on a carto...probably won't either. I have no ohms meter, so I'll have to to accept that it is off....but I might just go down to the b&m and check on theirs.

 

[Jomiz]

i think my Protank killed my first one so i'm not even going that route this time

it's unlikely that I will be using it for too much above 15w, but just for giggles, I did take it up to 25w on the k-fun....scorched wick. oh well! It just had to be the k-fun I hate having to take that apart to rewick. I'll post any other changes as they happen. Ohhhh and it did fire on a protank2 without issue. I have'nt tried it on a carto...probably won't either. I have no ohms meter, so I'll have to to accept that it is off....but I might just go down to the b&m and check on theirs.

 

[entoptic]

oh, another thing.
I chain vape(10-15ml unless i'm dripping, in which case its more). so if this sucker malfunctions at all it'll be soon

 

[Fergie]

My hope is that those that recommend this Clone to others are kind enough to tell them of the reported issues/quirks/ etc. Many posters throughout this thread have posted such issues/quirks/ etc. and I, for one, appreciate their concerns....

Here is a semi-complete list of them:

Issues and/or comments reported either here or elsewhere:
1. Milling process of the enclosure allows “swirls” in the drip well and fire switch areas.
2. Removable back plate of the enclosure may not fit smoothly in all devices.
3. Screws used the back plate are of poor quality.
4. Threaded hole to receive the back plate screws are stripped on some devices.
5. 510 connector center pin is not properly sized in width thus allowing possible short circuits to occur with certain toppers.
6. 510 connector not installed flush with the enclosure thus allowing slightly tilting of toppers on some devices.
7. Battery holder can become dislodged from enclosure due to the use of less effective attachment securing media.
8. USB port can be dislodged from enclosure due to use of less effective attachment securing media.
9. Fire/up/down buttons can become dislodged in some devices due to the use of less effective attachment media.
10. On some devices the attachment media used to secure the clone dna board in the enclosure is applied over board components that radiate heat during operation. This can allow heat buildup.
11. USB charging board led’s are not properly fitted and/or the enclosure does not allow easily visual indication of charge state.
12. When pressing the fire button to allow the unit to operate from sleep mode two or more presses are required.
13. When coming out of sleep mode it is noted that the wattage setting has changed on some devices requiring resetting the wattage each time the device comes out of sleep mode.
14. When the device is in locked mode and it comes out of sleep mode with the power lock function activated the power lock mode is no longer activated in some devices.
15. When the device is in sleep mode and left unattended it will come out of sleep mode without any button push by the user on some devices.
16. The on board temperature sensing circuit activates at a higher rate of occurrence compared to the real dna.
17. The ohm reading on the display does not accurately relay the true ohm reading of the coil it is measuring. The variance may be small or larger depending on the clone device as there is no consistent variation.
18. The voltage reading while firing displayed is different that the voltage actually reaching the coil.
19. The warranty contained in the instruction sheet indicated a manufacturer warranty of 90 days. This has not been confirmed however vendors warranty periods are all over the map from DOA to 7 weeks to ?????
20. Logo devices and those that display Hana Modzs on the display seem to violate USA trademark laws. Some vendors have gone underground and China is still sending them and vendors are still selling them.
21. The Clone is reported by many to put out less power that the real dna at the same wattage setting. A scope analysis will eventually compare them to either confirm or deny this claim. My experience confirms this assumption.
22. When charging in locked mode the clone may no longer unlock thus the device will no longer operate in any way. Removing and replacing the battery has no effect.
23. Enclosure body scratches very easily. Many vapers are adding wraps to protect the enclosure.
24. When coming out of sleep mode the device will fire but the display is not showing anything as if the display is dead.
25. Device can fire without any human intervention.

I know I have probably missed a few more things so this is not a complete list.

Does your's have any of these issues. Mine is definitely a keeper, very few issues at all.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

You'd think this was the first mod from China to have any issues.