Attack of the Hana Modz Clone. Let's wait together!

[bsumpter]

I'm not sure which I find more interesting about that pic... that it's showing basically the same problem with the same chip, or that the board in the DNA20 FT clone is so different from the Cloupor DNA30 clone. The Cloupor appears to be very near to a 1:1 clone, but the FT chip is quite different from the real DNA20.

And what is with the removing of the part numbers from the chips on the clones? Are they trying to hide the fact that these are the same chips used on the real DNA30, or are they just trying to make it look like a real DNA30 which also has the part numbers removed (usually)?

Yea, that was my FT Hana DNA20 clone that burned. I'm relatively sure I know what happened on mine. I assumed it was the hot glue covering the chip leading to an overheat condition, but after thinking about it I remembered that I had seen several "Check Atomizer" messages earlier in the day. Loosening and retightening the tank resolved it, so I kept on vaping. In the end, I think my Aerotank Mega was shorting out with the overly large 510 pin in the FT clone. The short protection caught it several times, but apparently one snuck through and fried the chip with a dead short. It was obvious when it happened ... I hit the button, didn't get any vapor, and immediately smelled burned electronics.

Looking at the connector on my Aerotank, I'm surprised it worked at all. The center connector doesn't protrude hardly any at all from the bottom of the 510. Its pretty obvious that in order to get the Aerotank pin to make contact with the 510 pin on the clone, the sides of the connector on the Aerotank are going to be dangerously close to shorting out. The center pin in the clone (at least the one I had) is simply too large. I compared it to every other device I have here, and none of them have a center pin that is this wide.

I ordered a Cloupor clone, and it should be here tomorrow or Thursday. I'm sending the DNA20 clone back to FT for a refund. I plan on examining the Cloupor when it arrives, and if it suffers from the same wide center pin issue, I'll either replace the entire 510 connector, or pop that pin out and see if I can file it down.

I was going to put an Evolv board in the FT clone, but decided against it. I ordered the Evolv DNA30 board last week, so I'll either keep it for a spare for the Cloupor clone, or build another dna mod on my own.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Yea, that was my FT Hana DNA20 clone that burned. I'm relatively sure I know what happened on mine. I assumed it was the hot glue covering the chip leading to an overheat condition, but after thinking about it I remembered that I had seen several "Check Atomizer" messages earlier in the day. Loosening and retightening the tank resolved it, so I kept on vaping. In the end, I think my Aerotank Mega was shorting out with the overly large 510 pin in the FT clone. The short protection caught it several times, but apparently one snuck through and fried the chip with a dead short. It was obvious when it happened ... I hit the button, didn't get any vapor, and immediately smelled burned electronics.

Looking at the connector on my Aerotank, I'm surprised it worked at all. The center connector doesn't protrude hardly any at all from the bottom of the 510. Its pretty obvious that in order to get the Aerotank pin to make contact with the 510 pin on the clone, the sides of the connector on the Aerotank are going to be dangerously close to shorting out. The center pin in the clone (at least the one I had) is simply too large. I compared it to every other device I have here, and none of them have a center pin that is this wide.

I ordered a Cloupor clone, and it should be here tomorrow or Thursday. I'm sending the DNA20 clone back to FT for a refund. I plan on examining the Cloupor when it arrives, and if it suffers from the same wide center pin issue, I'll either replace the entire 510 connector, or pop that pin out and see if I can file it down.

I was going to put an Evolv board in the FT clone, but decided against it. I ordered the Evolv DNA30 board last week, so I'll either keep it for a spare for the Cloupor clone, or build another DNA mod on my own.

The Cloupor clones shipped after Jun 6th are supposed to have the revised pin.

So while different manufacturers, with very similar elements, offer similar results....
I stand by a short that fried them both and not the glue....

 

[Completely Average]

I was going to put an Evolv board in the FT clone, but decided against it. I ordered the Evolv DNA30 board last week, so I'll either keep it for a spare for the Cloupor clone, or build another DNA mod on my own.

I have this strange desire to get an Hcigar logoed clone just for the box. From what I've read so far on other sites it seems to be one of the best clones out there with almost 0 defects, but it's only a DNA20 clone and is impossible to find for under $100.

Just checked the tracking on my Cloupor clone... It's on the way.

 

[Completely Average]

I didn't know Clouper was established in 2010 , i need to research their products a little more to see what kind of quality i can expect , by some of the comments in this thread you would think they are top shelf and put out superb products .

I don't know how good their other products are. I've never used them myself. They aren't exactly ecigs.....

Let's just say they are popular atomizers in California, Washington, and especially Colorado.

Sounds like Evolve will be doing very good business.

They could be doing a LOT better.

I haven't had one of their boards in my hands to inspect, but I've seen enough good quality pictures to know that nothing on it is actually proprietary. They're using off the shelf processors on a custom designed board. At least two of the processors are produced by Chinese companies so it really wouldn't surprise me a bit if the entire DNA30 board is produced in China under contract with Evolv. And based off what I've seen they shouldn't cost more than about $15 each, $17 with the USB charging port.

However, it also would not surprise me a bit to find that these 1:1 clone chips are also coming out of the same factory.

That's why I'm so curious about the removal of the chip numbers on the clones. Evolv did it to try to hide the actual chips the best they could, but the clones have the chip manufacturing numbers scraped off too which makes me wonder if the chip producer isn't doing it to hide the fact that it's from the same factory.

 

[Steamer861]

It's really not a bad Idea if your going to build a mod and have to buy a hammond then some parts from shapeways for a nice slick look
your going to spend 30 to 40 bucks
so you buy a fastech clone 52 bucks gut it and put a real DNA 30 in it an quality 510 you could probably reuse the tactile switches and the battery sled You will have a good mod on a budget

I have this strange desire to get an Hcigar logoed clone just for the box. From what I've read so far on other sites it seems to be one of the best clones out there with almost 0 defects, but it's only a DNA20 clone and is impossible to find for under $100.

Just checked the tracking on my Cloupor clone... It's on the way.

 

[Completely Average]

It's really not a bad Idea if your going to build a mod and have to buy a hammond then some parts from shapeways for a nice slick look
your going to spend 30 to 40 bucks
so you buy a fastech clone 52 bucks gut it and put a real DNA 30 in it an quality 510 you could probably reuse the tactile switches and the battery sled You will have a good mod on a budget

Now why didn't I think about that?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lone-lets-wait-together-633.html#post13422485

 

[Steamer861]

I have a clone and a spare DNA30 if it malfunctions I will make a real DNA 30 mod out of the box in a Heart beat

Now why didn't I think about that?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lone-lets-wait-together-633.html#post13422485

 

[pharzus090]

Received my shipping notice from elev8. Green #2223

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thats a decent indicator that my shipment has both the green and black

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[herb]

I don't know how good their other products are. I've never used them myself. They aren't exactly ecigs.....

Let's just say they are popular atomizers in California, Washington, and especially Colorado.




They could be doing a LOT better.

I haven't had one of their boards in my hands to inspect, but I've seen enough good quality pictures to know that nothing on it is actually proprietary. They're using off the shelf processors on a custom designed board. At least two of the processors are produced by Chinese companies so it really wouldn't surprise me a bit if the entire DNA30 board is produced in China under contract with Evolv. And based off what I've seen they shouldn't cost more than about $15 each, $17 with the USB charging port.

However, it also would not surprise me a bit to find that these 1:1 clone chips are also coming out of the same factory.

That's why I'm so curious about the removal of the chip numbers on the clones. Evolv did it to try to hide the actual chips the best they could, but the clones have the chip manufacturing numbers scraped off too which makes me wonder if the chip producer isn't doing it to hide the fact that it's from the same factory.

Thanks for the info , i think your on to something with the chip , if the Evolve branded chip proves not to be superior i have no intention on buying it .

I went on Hcigar's website and it showed a pic of the Hana DNA 30 clone soon to be released and it looks sweet as hell , i would take that one in a heartbeat . I am just not convinced these Clouper versions are any good to be honest.

Don't know of any DNA box type of clone is any good , time will tell.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

It's really not a bad Idea if your going to build a mod and have to buy a hammond then some parts from shapeways for a nice slick look
your going to spend 30 to 40 bucks
so you buy a fastech clone 52 bucks gut it and put a real DNA 30 in it an quality 510 you could probably reuse the tactile switches and the battery sled You will have a good mod on a budget

Doesn't this FT clone have the seam in the top?

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Thanks for the info , i think your on to something with the chip , if the Evolve branded chip proves not to be superior i have no intention on buying it .

I went on Hcigar's website and it showed a pic of the Hana DNA 30 clone soon to be released and it looks sweet as hell , i would take that one in a heartbeat . I am just not convinced these Clouper versions are any good to be honest.

Don't know of any DNA box type of clone is any good , time will tell.

Do you have one?

 

[herb]

It's really not a bad Idea if your going to build a mod and have to buy a hammond then some parts from shapeways for a nice slick look
your going to spend 30 to 40 bucks
so you buy a fastech clone 52 bucks gut it and put a real DNA 30 in it an quality 510 you could probably reuse the tactile switches and the battery sled You will have a good mod on a budget

I like the Clouper box more than the FT 30 with the seam but you can get a Lipo version 30 watt for $56.00 without the seam at FT and gut it.

Ideally, i would like to just get the Clouper and have it work and prove worthy, thats not too much to ask i hope.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

I didn't know Clouper was established in 2010 , i need to research their products a little more to see what kind of quality i can expect , by some of the comments in this thread you would think they are top shelf and put out superb products .

Interesting to see what else they have released that has stood the test of time. The quality of these chips is completely unknown and will be for quite some time it appears.

Sounds like Evolve will be doing very good business.

The have only made one other contribution to "e-cig" industry we are all involved with, and it wasn't all that great, top coil, old tech imo, the Cloutank. And that was fairly recent.

 

[herb]

Do you have one?

They are not even released yet but i have faith in H.Cigar when it comes to clones (more faith than i do Clouper) but i wouldn't pay over $100.00 for it.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

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I like the Clouper box more than the FT 30 with the seam but you can get a Lipo version 30 watt for $56.00 without the seam at FT and gut it.

Ideally, i would like to just get the Clouper and have it work and prove worthy, thats not too much to ask i hope.

You can buy these Coupor enclosures for $20-25... Seen them in a group buy for $20 when this all started

Also, 3+ weeks here, no issues.

 

[CurlyxCracker]

They are not even released yet but i have faith in H.Cigar when it comes to clones (more faith than i do Clouper) but i wouldn't pay over $100.00 for it.

I meant a Cloupor clone

 

[herb]

The have only made one other contribution to "e-cig" industry we are all involved with, and it wasn't all that great, top coil, old tech imo, the Cloutank. And that was fairly recent.

That does not inspire confidence .

You can buy these Coupor enclosures for $20-25... Seen them in a group buy for $20 when this all started

Also, 3+ weeks here, no issues.

Didn't know that , now i feel worse but regarding your clone with a three week lifespan to date thats good to hear.

I meant a Cloupor clone

No Clouper , just following along to see if it's a wise purchase at this point. I am on 101's wait list but come up too late every time , still trying.

 

[pharzus090]

I'm going to have to disagree.

If there was a short on the PCB then the scorching would be precisely where the short was.

jd1978's picture clearly shows scorching around two separate microchips which are both either partially or almost completely covered with epoxy. That's the heat source, those chips. And they're not both shorted, if they were the mod wouldn't work at all at any level.





About 5% of all PCs that Dell ships are defective right out of the box. It's not unusual.

I believe when these first started coming out I posted something along the lines of expecting the first run of a largely untested clone chip in a largely untested clone mod to be defect free was unrealistic. That's part of the reason why I waited until late June to buy mine. And I'll bet by August there will be one or two more revisions making them even better and more durable. That's just how the entire CE industry works.




And I'm not really sure I would call Shenzhen Cloupor Technology a "relatively new company". They've been around since 2010 which is pretty close to forever in ecig terms.

dell pcs also have a multitude of components where the failures could occur. these things have a lot less that could be wrong with them right out of the box. Being an IT engineer in the past (ya I know, IT to nursing is a weird jump) please realize that heat and electrical discharges can destroy electrical components immediately, but they can also degrade them over time as well (for reasons that I won't get into here) I still have an nvidia video card that reboots the machine if the video settings over taxed it. it was due to the fact that it needed to run way too hot. im not trying to take sides here, just provide some info, and based on my knowledge, this seems to be more related to heat dispersion more than anything... running the atty too hot, then that heat can sit for a while around the 510 connection and dissipates slowly as there are no heatsinks to assist. there is also a reduced volume of air in the chamber that holds the chip due to the amount of epoxy/glue, which will affect the heat retention as well. Im just saying that these things have short protection, so either the problem is heat, accidental static discharge, or a short that occured somewhere other than on the 510 connector.

geez you guys got me going again!

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[Completely Average]

They are not even released yet but i have faith in H.Cigar when it comes to clones (more faith than i do Clouper) but i wouldn't pay over $100.00 for it.

I'm REALLY liking the fact that Hcigar is starting to produce their own products and not just clones anymore. I would really like to try their HC RBA to see how that works.

Oh, just noticed they have a 26650 mod called The Helmsman which is also an original Hcigar design. Nice.


Now that's going to cause some ruffled feathers in the industry. Authentic, original mods for under $75. If they work really well it's going to be hard to justify those $200+ mods.

 

[Steamer861]

Were can we get the empty box?

You can buy these Coupor enclosures for $20-25... Seen them in a group buy for $20 when this all started

Also, 3+ weeks here, no issues.