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I see what youre saying but your numbers and logic are a little skewed IMO. Ive never paid 300 bucks for a pair of jeans in my life and never will. I used Levi's in my analogy because they arent the most expensive but they were engineered to be tough as hell and extremely durable much like a Provari.
A 300 dollar pair of jeans would be the equivalent of a GG or a Caravelas in my opinion while the Provari would be in the 60-80 dollar range with the Levis and an el-cheapo pv 15-20 bucks Rustler jeans from Wally World.
If I only had the money to buy one pair of jeans that I had to wear every day I'd buy the Levis.
Oh boy, now this thread is going to turn into a "DEFEND THY PROVARI" and a "HANG THE PROVARI" thread?
I will say this.. I have seen a lot of people in here putting down the provari, BY trying to say that it is overpriced for what it does and that it is getting old. Thats ridiculous IN MY OPINION. Yes, its behind in that it does not offer variable wattage. But compared to the Smoktech Zmax, which is currently the Provari's only competition in it's class... Bring up both websites and compare features BEFORE you say that the provari is old and has less technology than it's competition in ALL areas. It doesn't. It isn't behind. Only in v. wattage is it behind. It's got MORE features in other areas and many will argue that it has a higher quality regulation software.
Also, those of you putting the Provari down for it's PRICE... Are you taking everything into consideration? The Provari does include a 1 year warranty in it's price. A 1 year warranty, and the following deductibles list that hasn't appeared on a single china made mod yet.. (refer to the standard service repair costs list below) The following list stays active for the rest of your provari's LIFE. The LIFE of your provari. You could die in 20 years, and your daughter could inherit your provari, and she'll STILL be able to get the cracked window replaced for $15.00 shipped (+ inflation, lol) Its also made in the US by USD paid, US hands, with US minds, US paychecks, US living conditions, which is another reason for it's price. The machining on the outside of the tube is unparalleled. Its a high quality device. The $ reflects that. Its not out of its price's league in quality. Thats apparent as soon as you use one. I was one to put down the provari's price years ago, but as I grow older, mature, and now that I own one, I can understand and appreciate why the provari is priced at where it is priced. In fact, its a bargain.
A $400 stainless steel starbux gift card is selling for $450 dollars. $50 for a thin square slice of stainless steel? That seems over priced to me, but its actually fair. IF its made in the US! I used to think that the $30 extension sleeve is way overpriced too, but I'm beginning to understand. It isn't cheap to buy and mill metals. Especially with USD paid workers.
From the Provape Website:
Standard Service Repair Costs
Replace Window and screws- $10.00
Replace Tube - $40.00
Replace Circuit Board - $65.00
Upgrade to V2 - $20.00
Replace plastic pushbutton - $5.00
Repairs to the circuit board - $25.00
Cleaning - $10.00
Replace top cap - $15.00
Broken Cartomizer Service - $10.00
Return shipping within the USA - $5.00
Return shipping International ~$39.00
Here we have a thread asking the Provari owners to please stop pushing the device on people that have no interest in it. Fine. I think thats wrong too, and if I ever catch it, I will PM the member and ask them to please not do so. But putting down the provari without the facts to back up your put-downs would be even more rude than being pushy when recommending the mod. Dont you think?
Lets all just take a breather and take a step back before we post. I should probably do that with this post, but I'm going to send it out there because I think it does contain a lot of important and valid points. I apologize if this stirs things up. It shouldn't. I am not talking down to anyone. we are all equals here. all I'm saying is, lets not attack each other or our PVs because a select few of us are bad apples. don't let the bad apples spoil your idea of provari owners and the provari device, and don't let bad apples spoil those that see the provari as a waste of money. THEY are entitled to that opinion. but no one is entitled to bad mouthing, its rude and its immature.
With that said, if anything, we need to come together. There will be great tests before PVs are accepted by the US government and big pharma and the doctors associations as a safe nicotine delivery system. We'll need to stand together to achieve this goal. I'm hoping both "sides" (not that there are really "sides" when it comes to the more mature individuals here) can take from this thread the positives and leave behind the negatives.
No one will read this post anyway (who would? i ramble like a drunk with no sleep) so **** it.
I will say this.. I have seen a lot of people in here putting down the provari, BY trying to say that it is overpriced for what it does and that it is getting old. Thats ridiculous IN MY OPINION. Yes, its behind in that it does not offer variable wattage. But compared to the Smoktech Zmax, which is currently the Provari's only competition in it's class... Bring up both websites and compare features BEFORE you say that the provari is old and has less technology than it's competition in ALL areas. It doesn't. It isn't behind. Only in v. wattage is it behind. It's got MORE features in other areas and many will argue that it has a higher quality regulation software.
Also, those of you putting the Provari down for it's PRICE... Are you taking everything into consideration? The Provari does include a 1 year warranty in it's price. A 1 year warranty, and the following deductibles list that hasn't appeared on a single china made mod yet.. (refer to the standard service repair costs list below) The following list stays active for the rest of your provari's LIFE. The LIFE of your provari. You could die in 20 years, and your daughter could inherit your provari, and she'll STILL be able to get the cracked window replaced for $15.00 shipped (+ inflation, lol) Its also made in the US by USD paid, US hands, with US minds, US paychecks, US living conditions, which is another reason for it's price. The machining on the outside of the tube is unparalleled. Its a high quality device. The $ reflects that. Its not out of its price's league in quality. Thats apparent as soon as you use one. I was one to put down the provari's price years ago, but as I grow older, mature, and now that I own one, I can understand and appreciate why the provari is priced at where it is priced. In fact, its a bargain.
A $400 stainless steel starbux gift card is selling for $450 dollars. $50 for a thin square slice of stainless steel? That seems over priced to me, but its actually fair. IF its made in the US! I used to think that the $30 extension sleeve is way overpriced too, but I'm beginning to understand. It isn't cheap to buy and mill metals. Especially with USD paid workers.
From the Provape Website:
Standard Service Repair Costs
Replace Window and screws- $10.00
Replace Tube - $40.00
Replace Circuit Board - $65.00
Upgrade to V2 - $20.00
Replace plastic pushbutton - $5.00
Repairs to the circuit board - $25.00
Cleaning - $10.00
Replace top cap - $15.00
Broken Cartomizer Service - $10.00
Return shipping within the USA - $5.00
Return shipping International ~$39.00
Here we have a thread asking the Provari owners to please stop pushing the device on people that have no interest in it. Fine. I think thats wrong too, and if I ever catch it, I will PM the member and ask them to please not do so. But putting down the provari without the facts to back up your put-downs would be even more rude than being pushy when recommending the mod. Dont you think?
Lets all just take a breather and take a step back before we post. I should probably do that with this post, but I'm going to send it out there because I think it does contain a lot of important and valid points. I apologize if this stirs things up. It shouldn't. I am not talking down to anyone. we are all equals here. all I'm saying is, lets not attack each other or our PVs because a select few of us are bad apples. don't let the bad apples spoil your idea of provari owners and the provari device, and don't let bad apples spoil those that see the provari as a waste of money. THEY are entitled to that opinion. but no one is entitled to bad mouthing, its rude and its immature.
With that said, if anything, we need to come together. There will be great tests before PVs are accepted by the US government and big pharma and the doctors associations as a safe nicotine delivery system. We'll need to stand together to achieve this goal. I'm hoping both "sides" (not that there are really "sides" when it comes to the more mature individuals here) can take from this thread the positives and leave behind the negatives.
No one will read this post anyway (who would? i ramble like a drunk with no sleep) so **** it.
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My provari hasn't failed me yet. But my buddy's Darwin has failed him three times now. So price isn't always the main factor. But my LT was exactly what I paid for. 90 bucks of garbage. Everyone has their opinion. but at least the provari can back up the claims of its owners
As smokers, we used to spend anywhere from $200 to $300 a month on cigarettes depending on where we lived. Yes, you don't need a provari to start vaping. But once you get a startup kit to keep you off cigarettes, you can take some of the money you would have spent on cigarettes every month and save it to buy a better battery such as the provari that comes with a one year warranty. Or, you can buy 4 batteries that would most likely die on you before a year is up without any warranty whatsoever.
I strongly believe that people who ask for advice want to know all the options that are available, and since they're 18 years or older, they have the wherewithal to figure out what suits them best at the moment, as well as figure out what to get if they want to take their equipment up a notch for a more reliable and consistent experience. A provari is not magically going to make your juice taste better, but you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to perform as it is intended to with safeguards against shorts from attys that can fry other kinds of batteries.
Don't sweat the small stuff, and everything is small stuff...
I strongly believe that people who ask for advice want to know all the options that are available, and since they're 18 years or older, they have the wherewithal to figure out what suits them best at the moment, as well as figure out what to get if they want to take their equipment up a notch for a more reliable and consistent experience. A provari is not magically going to make your juice taste better, but you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to perform as it is intended to with safeguards against shorts from attys that can fry other kinds of batteries.
Don't sweat the small stuff, and everything is small stuff...
Numbers and logic aside. You would buy the Levis because you can afford them. My original post was talking about someone that flat out said, I only have $50 to spend.
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Screw Levi's.
http://www.truereligionbrandjeans.c...RANGE_BARTACKS__Bounty/pd/np/7049/p/7428.html
It's like the eGo vs provari vs GG/zen/Darwin debate!!
I agree with you there, thats why I posted earlier that I have a cheap setup to recommend to people that actually works well.
Nobody is saying that the Provari isn't a quality product. Have you read the original post? I'm not trying to be mean so please don't take it that way, but your post hear isn't on topic.
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I don't feel the "hate" commented on, but it's a decorum of respect that's needed! YES, in the long run it can save you money, but what's the "long run" for most newbies? What's the fear factor for most newbies?
Say you just signed up to the forums, scared to death, trying to get the best bang for the buck and hoping it works for you! Then BAM! Someone comes on and suggests you need to buy a $200 plus mod, a $50 plus tank, and you have no clue what they are talking about, much less how this all works together! It's intimidating and overwhelming to say the least! "Why do I need to spend that kind of money to get started?"
Really, a set of EGO's will get them going, then if they want to upgrade, they can. I get the wasted money, I've done it myself! It is what it is, but you aren't going to convince someone intent on buying a Yugo to upgrade to a Mercedes right off the bat! They need to "dive in the pool" first and test the water! Once they see the waters fine, then they will warm up to other options. If the water doesn't work for them, then they need another option.
Regardless of opinion, an EGO and Provari do the same thing, get people off analogs. At the end of the day, that's the goal! YES, it's great to try, and want to help people from making dumb mistakes, but if the end result is getting them started in a better life, what's the difference? We just can't scare them off and overload them from the get go, I think that is the point of this thread, we want to help but have to be careful to not be over zealous while doing so.
Say you just signed up to the forums, scared to death, trying to get the best bang for the buck and hoping it works for you! Then BAM! Someone comes on and suggests you need to buy a $200 plus mod, a $50 plus tank, and you have no clue what they are talking about, much less how this all works together! It's intimidating and overwhelming to say the least! "Why do I need to spend that kind of money to get started?"
Really, a set of EGO's will get them going, then if they want to upgrade, they can. I get the wasted money, I've done it myself! It is what it is, but you aren't going to convince someone intent on buying a Yugo to upgrade to a Mercedes right off the bat! They need to "dive in the pool" first and test the water! Once they see the waters fine, then they will warm up to other options. If the water doesn't work for them, then they need another option.
Regardless of opinion, an EGO and Provari do the same thing, get people off analogs. At the end of the day, that's the goal! YES, it's great to try, and want to help people from making dumb mistakes, but if the end result is getting them started in a better life, what's the difference? We just can't scare them off and overload them from the get go, I think that is the point of this thread, we want to help but have to be careful to not be over zealous while doing so.
Except the rants about provaris. And not the people. Every device has a price and option. Its just like life. Take the high, the low, and the middle, average what you want and get it. So yes provaris are higher than $50 but I only had 50 to drop when I first started vaping. But if someone woulda told me about the provari I coulda came up with the money on my tight budget. Instead I brought egos and LTs. So yes my LT was garabage and that post was about the repairing of PVs
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I didn't see anyone rant about the Provari or say anything negative about them in this thread.
Then I took it wrong and for that I'm sorry.
But to not give everyone all options for the thing they are looking for is foolish. The more educated you are the more educated of a purchase you make. Whether or not if it's in your budget. It's all your decision. If you want opinions let all of them come out. Not just ones in the price range. How many time have you bought something in a category of products you were looking at more expensive than the first product you looked it? Why? Because of more knowledge? Same thing goes here
But to not give everyone all options for the thing they are looking for is foolish. The more educated you are the more educated of a purchase you make. Whether or not if it's in your budget. It's all your decision. If you want opinions let all of them come out. Not just ones in the price range. How many time have you bought something in a category of products you were looking at more expensive than the first product you looked it? Why? Because of more knowledge? Same thing goes here
Lol. It's not the device it's how you use it. A provari will do you little good if you've got something craptastic screwed on it. With the advent of vv egos and the kick. I'd say you can find a pretty decent reliable vape at a low cost. It's like a guitar. You don't run out and buy the les Paul standard right when you first start learning to play.
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