Australian ban; Egar illegal

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Terribly sorry to hear this. If it goes nationwide on you I suppose it's time to search the forum for the homemade juice tips. Good luck with the mail, Trumpy, but I expect you'll get a weasel reply, if any.

Thinking of you all

Emp

 

[gizmo]

I have some juice winging its way for my screwdriver from Beci,plus a USB cable for the 901..a good chance the juice will be pulled now bugger it!! & possibly the cable if they know what they are looking at.

 

[animan]

What about nicotine gums, inhalers and patches? Will those be banned as well?

 

[GabbyD]

I don't really get how this is any different than the nicotine inhaler. I read up on it today and besides the fact that it's ugly, it is described in much the same way as e-cigs. But those are Rx (here, anyway) so I wonder about that becoming an issue for us eventually.

If it comes down to it, I'll vape my favorite flavors and slap on a patch. I refuse to go back to smoking.

I'm sorry, you guys. This really sucks for you. I hope your voices are heard!

 

[solution42]

Very dissapointed with this news, the nanny state has decided that it's better for me to go back to smoking cigarettes once my supplies run out.

Condolences to my fellow Aussie e-smokers and Ed at www.ciggy.com.au - Electronic Ciggy one great guy and supplier.

 

[animan]

It's such a pity since anyone with even a peanut brain would recognize that e-cigs are a much healthier alternative to smoking.

I can bet that this is the work of tobacco lobbyists!

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

What about nicotine gums, inhalers and patches? Will those be banned as well?

Excellent point, and one for Trumpy to include in his mail. These products damn well contain nicotine for human consumption. Good foundation for repeal, or at least to show the ban is aimed solely at our devices.

Emp

 

[lucisac]

Poisons code: Drugs and poisons in Victoria - Victorian Government Health Information, Australia

No mention of e-cigs, just the nicotene...

 

[Trumpybloke]

unfortunately it is the nicotine in the e-cigs that brings it down .... maybe a point for retailers that they advise users should only use carts with no nicotine in them , maybe then they can at least move their remaining stock?... if not perhaps they would care to come onto this board and perhaps offer us aussies a private transaction... "Oh Hey Ed--- thats a pretty box I will give you $50 bucks for it "
" Well Gee Simon , thats generous of you , but it has 5 batteries and some atomisers in it, I would have no-where to store them if I took them out.... tell you what I will let you have them for free "

 

[Trumpybloke]

Emp , unfortunately the gums , patches, et al are classified under the Therapeutics Goods Act , are funnily enough are taxed the same as tobacco products .... Imagine that !!

 

[lucisac]

Is it still legal to use the device with nicotene though? In the link I posted it only mentions "sale of nicotene" not use. Seems the newspapers has blown it out of proportion.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Yeah, figures. Oh well, get the stills set up. Moonshine days are here again...

 

[Trumpybloke]

Luc from your own link to The Age Newspaper lol

The ban follows the release of the Brumby Government's Tobacco Control Strategy 2008-2013, which aims to reduce smoking rates by 20 per cent.
The new regulation, which comes into effect tomorrow, outlaws the manufacture, sale, supply, purchase, possession or use of unregulated nicotine delivery systems.

this is what needs clarification ... the amendment to the act only specifies nicotine intended for human consumption...

 

[Trumpybloke]

An interesting psychological aside --- for the first time since starting vaping, I am actually craving a "real " cigarette ............ DAMN YOU JOHN BRUMBY AND YER W A N K E R MATES

 

[lucisac]

Must find the official document
Here it is!
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/tobaccoreforms/vtcs.htm

Did a complete search and NOTHING with elect or e-cig mentioned in the PDF files. Bloody newspapers!

 

[solution42]

Here's my email to Mr. Andrews, I also sent a copy to Helen Shardey (the shadow health minister) her email is:helen.shardey@parliament.vic.gov.au
Dear Mr Andrews
I am very dissapointed to hear about your ban on the nicotine delivery alternative I have been using.

I haven't been using it long, I only found out about them recently. Until 7 days ago I was smoking 40+ cigarettes a day, I am from a generation that grew up almost oblivious to the inherent dangers associated with cigarettes and developed a strong addiction before I was aware of it's consequences.

I have tried to quit countless times through patches, lozenges, gum, inhalers and even prescribed medication such as Zyban. None of these gave me the freedom from this addiction that I desperately seek.

Finally I discovered a product that allowed me to stop smoking cigarettes, yes the e-cigarette. It enabled me to supplement my addiction to nicotine while at the same time, negate my exposure to the carcinogens and other harmfull additives contained in tobacco based cigarettes.

This was a milestone in my life, an epiphany, the further I looked into it the happier I was. I researched and researched ever wary of the trojan horse, surely there was a catch. I read the Ruyan analysis conducted by Health NZ http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf and I was very pleased that it clearly showed that this was a viable alternative to tobacco smoking.

I now hear you've banned it, fantastic. I will now resume smoking cigarettes to appease my addiction and your government coffers. Great result for you, bad result for me.

Just for your information in the week I spent away from cigarettes my sense of smell and taste started returning, my ability to breath became easier and the people around me (including my children) had a break from the exposure to my second hand smoke.

I'm very curious as to what information you based your decision on. My thoughts at this time can only conjure images of you bowing to pressure from some draconian pressure group. Surely you didn't do that? It can't be possible that a politician of your stature would make such a sweeping ban without first looking at the implications for all people affected by such a ban. Surely you implemented the appropriate studies then read and absorbed the results before making such a decision. Please let me know you acted in a manner that is appropriate for a person in your office, and not in a manner that is appropriate to keeping your office. After all politicians are like cigarettes after all aren't they? There's always another pack.

Yours in the spirit of deprivation.

 

[gizmo]

Brumbies days are numbered..but he is just a pawn in the scheme of things.

arrrr thought as much..http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/minister-for-health/victorian-ban-on-battery-powered-cigarette.html

 

[katink]

Originally Posted by Magarnagle View Post
From tomorrow, the sale and use of nicotine cartridges will be illegal in Victoria and the advertising of battery powered cigarettes banned.

If I read this carefully, I don't see them banning the (selling of the) device itself; for the device itself, it only says here that advertizing it will be banned. It could perhaps come to the same silliness we have in my country: the devices are allowed, and can even be advertized, but only if they don't contain any nicotine (nor mention of that possibility) (the silliness, and undoubtedly their aim, being of course that no smoker will be interested in it that way - but for some reason they don't seem to be able to forbid the device under thése circumstances - else they for sure would)

 

[billyboy689]

that makes sense , ive got notices here from australian customs after opening some of my international parcels for inspection , these parcels contained cartridges and liquid as well as ecigs.
now if these victorian laws are just an alignment with other states then there isnt much in it to affect importation of this stuff ,just the retail advertising side of things much like our present cigarette advertising bans

although im not good with very big words and i dont trust polititions as far as i could kick them - - id love 5 mins with mike wrann , hell 30 seconds would be enough

 

[Magarnagle]

If I read this carefully, I don't see them banning the (selling of the) device itself; for the device itself, it only says here that advertizing it will be banned. It could perhaps come to the same silliness we have in my country: the devices are allowed, and can even be advertized, but only if they don't contain any nicotine (nor mention of that possibility) (the silliness, and undoubtedly their aim, being of course that no smoker will be interested in it that way - but for some reason they don't seem to be able to forbid the device under thése circumstances - else they for sure would)

So that approach would seem to have more similarities with the legislation governing the smoking of marijuana, and the sale of "smoking implements".

It's legal to buy a ...., it's been decriminalised in some (all?) states to own a couple of dope plants, but it's illegal to put the two together. Right.

The rocket scientists have been hard at work again.