Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[Kendogalopigus]

so i read on vapingwithtwisted420's facebook that the authentic manufacturers are going to go after china and any other clone manufacturers/retailers to stop them from cloning so they can continue to charge an obscene amount.

generally the comments say how multi-billion dollar companies like Rolex and Nike ext haven't been able to stop china clones. but these butthurt ...... think they are gonna make a difference legally instead of doing things like outsourcing to china's factory's and getting the product made cheaper with just as good if not better quality and in turn make it pointless to buy a clone over an authentic. Beyondvape wised up and is doing this.

here's twisted's Stingray X clone vs authentic video and they both have the same voltage drop but the clone has a little more detail.
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you can get 10 feet of copper pipe for around $20, you can buy top caps and fire buttons for about $10 each, a tube threader is about $80 or you can walk into any machine shop and they will probably thread it for you for free. so for the investment of $80 on a tube threader you can make "Authentic" mods for about $25 each yet these manufacturers/retailers charge $150 - $500 depending on where and what you get and most of the time you get put on a wait list.

i thought the whole point of vaping was to have a better alternative than smoking while also sticking it to big tobacco? well i guess its time to start calling these authentic manufacturers "Big Authentic" even though they have nowhere near the clout they think they do lol.

its 100% obvious these authentic makers were never in it to save lives or help anybody only to line their own pockets.

im starting my new job next week and my first purchase was going to be an authentic and had a few choices in mind but after reading all that, ain't gonna happen, they want to be greedy twits then im sticking with clones.

heres a link to Twisted420's facebook if you want to check it out
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if this rant offended anyone i do apologize, unless your an authentic maker in which case GOOD! hope you get[Moderated] by your lawyers who know its a losing battle and just want your money, hope you lose everything!

 

[inswva]

And here we go. Train wreck coming in 3,2,1...

 

[sedition]

Come on, dude. I was happily reading threads all the way down in APV Discussion when I got covered in dirt and worms from the can you just kicked over.

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

While I think clones are good for the vapers, particularly those on a tight budget, they aren't good for the innovators that create the authentic pieces that move this industry forward.
While I get what you are saying to some extent about it being a tube, R&D costs, labour costs. insurance, workshop rent, CNC milling machines, laser engraving machines, CAD packages to design said products, testing and quality control so on and so forth all add up.

Designers and manufactures have every right to protect their ideas and intellectual property if we are honest about it.

It is a double edge sword, if no one bought authentics the industry would just be standing still and not driving forward.

 

[Kendogalopigus]

While I think clones are good for the vapers, particularly those on a tight budget, they aren't good for the innovators that create the authentic pieces that move this industry forward.
While I get what you are saying to some extent about it being a tube, R&D costs, labour costs. insurance, workshop rent, CNC milling machines, laser engraving machines, CAD packages to design said products, testing and quality control so on and so forth all add up.

Designers and manufactures have every right to protect their ideas and intellectual property if we are honest about it.

It is a double edge sword, if no one bought authentics the industry would just be standing still and not driving forward.

very true, but they can still outsource and make it more affordable, like i said i was ready to buy an authentic but i think this hole thing turned me off of the idea.

 

[stevegmu]

OP, if you had any idea how things are made or how businesses operate, you probably wouldn't think the way you do...
Sticking it to Big Tobacco is the point of vaping?

 

[Kendogalopigus]

OP, if you had any idea how things are made or how businesses operate, you probably wouldn't think the way you do...
Sticking it to Big Tobacco is the point of vaping?

re-read cause you missed what i said "i thought the whole point of vaping was to have a better alternative than smoking while also sticking it to big tobacco?"

i didn't say the point was to stick it to big tobacco.

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

very true, but they can still outsource and make it more affordable, like i said i was ready to buy an authentic but i think this hole thing turned me off of the idea.

The problem with outsourcing is that you are willingly giving a Chinese factory your exact specs and designs for your product, when the production line is not manufacturing the product for you or producing a different product for another company, they will produce your product in the downtime and undercut you on your own product.

it sounds absurd but it does happen.

 

[stevegmu]

He should just make his own for $25...

 

[HauntedMyst]

you can get 10 feet of copper pipe for around $20, you can buy top caps and fire buttons for about $10 each, a tube threader is about $80 or you can walk into any machine shop and they will probably thread it for you for free. so for the investment of $80 on a tube threader you can make "Authentic" mods for about $25 each yet these manufacturers/retailers charge $150 - $500 depending on where and what you get and most of the time you get put on a wait list.

i thought the whole point of vaping was to have a better alternative than smoking while also sticking it to big tobacco? well i guess its time to start calling these authentic manufacturers "Big Authentic" even though they have nowhere near the clout they think they do lol.

its 100% obvious these authentic makers were never in it to save lives or help anybody only to line their own pockets.

im starting my new job next week and my first purchase was going to be an authentic and had a few choices in mind but after reading all that, ain't gonna happen, they want to be greedy twits then im sticking with clones.

Dude, you go man! You've totally seen through the authentic mod makers evil plans! So you go and stick it to the man! Better yet, with your intricate knowledge of tubes and buttons, make your own clones and stick it to those "Authentic" Richard Cranium's even more! BTW, good luck with your new job! I bet its not a job where they can find someone else to do for less money!

And here we go. Train wreck coming in 3,2,1...

What train wreck? This guy is like a freaking prophet! The wisdom just oozes.

 

[Kendogalopigus]

He should just make his own for $25...

im actually thinking about it, then get it engraved lol

 

[Kendogalopigus]

Dude, you go man! You've totally seen through the authentic mod makers evil plans! So you go and stick it to the man! Better yet, with your intricate knowledge of tubes and buttons, make your own clones and stick it to those "Authentic" Richard Cranium's even more! BTW, good luck with your new job! I bet its not a job where they can find someone else to do for less money!






What train wreck? This guy is like a freaking prophet! The wisdom just oozes.

your obviously one of the ppl i offended and for that i apologize, unless your an authentic maker! lol

 

[k702]

bleh, keep defending people that are [Moderated for offensive term] you for a box(made by someone else) with other people's tech inside or a metal tube many times with ripped off art plastered on it and a pretty universally ripped off switch and top cap design.

Originality? Innovation? really? where?

If you want to defend their right to their artistic designs... the look of the mods, that might be one thing, but even then most are copying and stealing from everyone else anyway.


Add to that the insane inability of these authentic mod makers to put out a sufficient amount of product to satisfy the market... and you got a large group of people that are pretty much begging for their stuff to be cloned then crying about it like they didn't see it coming..

Really, they don't have to be super cheap, ultra available and brand new designs every time, but one or two of the three every once in a while would be nice right? They don't seem to really get much right...

Alot of them are just really bad at running a business, and just like throughout history they are turning to government intervention to make up for that lack of business sense.

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

bleh, keep defending people that are [MODERATED] you for a box(made by someone else) with other people's tech inside or a metal tube many times with ripped off art plastered on it and a pretty universally ripped off switch and top cap design.

Originality? Innovation? really? where?

If you want to defend their right to their artistic designs... the look of the mods, that might be one thing, but even then most are copying and stealing from everyone else anyway.


Add to that the insane inability of these authentic mod makers to put out a sufficient amount of product to satisfy the market... and you got a large group of people that are pretty much begging for their stuff to be cloned then crying about it like they didn't see it coming..

Alot of them are just really bad at running a business, and just like throughout history they are turning to government intervention to make up for that lack of business sense.

[MODERATED] If you don't want it you don't buy it!
I have clones too, mods like the Kato just are not available so in that respect a clone is your only choice, but I don't blame the originators for wanting to stop them.

 

[k702]

[MODERATED] If you don't want it you don't buy it!
I have clones too, mods like the Kato just are not available so in that respect a clone is your only choice, but I don't blame the originators for wanting to stop them.

didn't use it as an analogy I used it as a common term, maybe raking you over the coals would have been a better choice of words?

What I have a problem with is that it seems that a few of these authentic mod companies put as much or more thought into stopping clones than they do making stuff that is good enough and at a reasonable enough price point that they wouldn't have to worry about the clone makers in the first place. The simple fact that clones are as popular as they are goes to prove that the authentic mods out there really aren't as grand as they would have you believe.

 

[Nikkita6]

your obviously one of the ppl i offended and for that i apologize, unless your an authentic maker! lol

Don't apologize to anyone for your comments which were not pointed and directed at the any non-mod making member of this forum. You are entitled to your opinion and perspective on this issue.

 

[AzPlumber]

While I think clones are good for the vapers, particularly those on a tight budget, they aren't good for the innovators that create the authentic pieces that move this industry forward.
While I get what you are saying to some extent about it being a tube, R&D costs, labour costs. insurance, workshop rent, CNC milling machines, laser engraving machines, CAD packages to design said products, testing and quality control so on and so forth all add up.

Designers and manufactures have every right to protect their ideas and intellectual property if we are honest about it.

It is a double edge sword, if no one bought authentics the industry would just be standing still and not driving forward.

I have a hard time understanding what is an authentic tube mod. Just because you use a different metal or different "look" or a different color, isn't everything based off the same concept of a tube with a battery that provides power to a heating element that vaporizes a nicotine solution? I believe that concept originated and the patent is held in China.

I understand these guys would like to protect their time and investment but they are basically using the same concept everyone else is. Unless you apply and receive some sort of protection under the law the market is open to all.

 

[HauntedMyst]

your obviously one of the ppl i offended and for that i apologize, unless your an authentic maker! lol

You didn't offend me at all! Seriously, there was nothing in your post to be offended by.

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

didn't use it as an analogy I used it as a common term, maybe raking you over the coals would have been a better choice of words?

But all these authentic mods and attys do sell so there must be a market. Like I say I am not a clone hater but to condemn any one for wanting to protect what they have created (unless they are as tasteless as Ameravape) is not exactly fair.

We should all see the issue from both sides of the coin if you know what I mean.

 

[Ed_C]

There's a reason there's a new authentic mod being introduced everyday. They sell like hotcakes.There are more and more authentic mods being introduced at $70-100 (Nano,Workhorse), but I think the idea of $25 mod that's made in someplace, like the US, is a pipe dream (pun intended). The costs are too high and the market isn't that big. At least not yet. I do wish there were more inexpensive options that weren't copies.