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Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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Agreed... If someone wants to read into a post and take it personally, thats their fault, not yours.
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also a guy Alex that works at my local shop has a nemesis clone which he let me try before i got my first mech, a buddy started vaping but the first kit he bought had a bum atty, the center post would come loose, spin and the pin wouldn't make connection so his friend he works with who is a machinist offered to try and fix it and let him borrow his authentic nemesis, which wasn't anything special at all. it hit the same and was made from the same materials but was a faction of the price.
maybe these authentic makers should worry less about making a 300% profit and make them affordable then there would be no point for the cloners to clone.
that being said there is an authentic im thinking of getting still when i start the new job, the Beacon from Beyondvape, $65 which is VERY reasonable and maybe get the CLT atty to go with it, another authentic for $40. so for $105 +tax i can have a full authentic setup.
maybe these authentic makers should worry less about making a 300% profit and make them affordable then there would be no point for the cloners to clone.
that being said there is an authentic im thinking of getting still when i start the new job, the Beacon from Beyondvape, $65 which is VERY reasonable and maybe get the CLT atty to go with it, another authentic for $40. so for $105 +tax i can have a full authentic setup.
You're right, IF the claimed trademark is registered..
BTW, have you ever looked up just where a lot of these Logos and Names come from? (hint: they wouldnt be able to get them registered
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" fix it for free within the warranty period." Point? Are you saying that Provari is the only one that gets fixed for free under warranty??? So does Innokin... Oh wait, they simply exchange it for you on the spot. No waiting required
And just about anyone else out there selling and providing warranties... I dont get your post....
No, its not... There are very few mods that actually required a lot of work to implement. RDA/RBA? Sure.. Usually a lot of thought, time and CAD work, not to mention A LOT more machining time and more materials, more QC, etc.. So, lemme ask you - Why are most RDA/RBAs cheaper than the tube mods they sit on? Hmm?
" fix it for free within the warranty period." Point? Are you saying that Provari is the only one that gets fixed for free under warranty??? So does Innokin... Oh wait, they simply exchange it for you on the spot. No waiting required
I dont get your post....
to which I responded
He seemed to question what is meant by an "authentic tube mod" so I gave an example of what would be defined as an "authentic tube mod".
The point was about the definition of authentic product; the point wasn't about warranties.
A few months ago there was a flood of counterfiet aerotanks and nautilus tanks on the market; when the purchasers attempted to verify the product codes on the manufacturer's websites, the product codes came up as fakes.
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Patents? What patents? Just what 'patent' do you think they would get approval for? They cant even take the time to send $25 in to claim their copyright! Or register a trademark (that they stole anyways).
I believe this is a key issue... before you release a product, a wise person would copyright their design AND Trademark their company name an associated logos. It's not expensive nor very time consuming.
I can't recall a single "Authentic" mod that even bears the Copyright symbol © or the Trademark symbol etched onto the body. Which at least gives a clue it's protected.
None of the mechanical mod market is patentable... flashlight patents date back to the 1800's and many tube types in the early 1900's when cylindrical batteries came into existence.
I question how widespread any of this lawsuit activity is even occurring... it takes some deep pockets just to do so in country. It takes some really deep pockets to fight this stuff internationally... which China does not recognize most international patents/copyrights...
Wouldn't an JoyTech Ego battery be considered an authentic Ego battery?
I like to buy clones just because it gets some people upset.
I don't always end up keeping them, sometimes I don't like them or the way they perform, in which case I either give them to a co-worker or trash them.
I've bought authentic items and sold them here on the classifieds, always at a loss, both in time invested trying to get them to work properly and money invested to buy them.
I would say if you are insistent to buy an authentic item, always wait for at least V2 as it rarely pays off to be the Beta tester.
I don't always end up keeping them, sometimes I don't like them or the way they perform, in which case I either give them to a co-worker or trash them.
I've bought authentic items and sold them here on the classifieds, always at a loss, both in time invested trying to get them to work properly and money invested to buy them.
I would say if you are insistent to buy an authentic item, always wait for at least V2 as it rarely pays off to be the Beta tester.
If one does a search on Fasttech for "heron", now you get a no-logo tank, :
That's a good thing.
I have noticed this trend with other products as well on fasttech;
they still have the "Hana Modz" advertised though
That's a good thing.
I have noticed this trend with other products as well on fasttech;
they still have the "Hana Modz" advertised though
One thing about clones, they give you a chance to try a design out cheaply. I tried a Atmizoo Roller clone, it was a piece of junk, but I liked the concept so well, I now own 2 original Atmizoo Rollers.
Without the cheap clone, I doubt I would have spent the money just to try the concept.
Without the cheap clone, I doubt I would have spent the money just to try the concept.
Logo's are the problem, misrepresents the product. If you take the logo's off it's no longer a clone it's just a copy, big difference.
Logo's are the problem; if you take the logo off it's no longer a counterfiet it's just a clone
Most are sold as 'clones' of an original product. That's one of the major problems I see. They don't just sell them as the Jimbo atomizer, they sell them as a Kayfun clone, or whatever other design they reverse engineered. They are trying to make money off of the name of another product. It is a sad statement of the current society we live in that few people see that as wrong...
Unless something is shape specific to that device
Without a patent (and really copyrighted) it can be legally copied, specific or not.
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