Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

I have a hard time understanding what is an authentic tube mod. Just because you use a different metal or different "look" or a different color, isn't everything based off the same concept of a tube with a battery that provides power to a heating element that vaporizes a nicotine solution? I believe that concept originated and the patent is held in China.

I understand these guys would like to protect their time and investment but they are basically using the same concept everyone else is. Unless you apply and receive some sort of protection under the law the market is open to all.

Isnt the concept of a Gucci handbag the same as another handbag, a Swiss watch, a pair of Nike trainers etc all share the same concept but differ in design and it is generally considered unacceptable to counterfeit any of these goods with the original logo.

 

[edyle]

People who make original products have every right and ought to go after producers of counterfiet products fraudulently bearing the registered trademarks of the original producers.

People who make clones have every right to produce them and put their own logos on them.

 

[Ed_C]

Isnt the concept of a Gucci handbag the same as another handbag, a Swiss watch, a pair of Nike trainers etc all share the same concept but differ in design and it is generally considered unacceptable to counterfeit any of these goods with the original logo.

Yes, but Gucci and Nike are registered trademarks and both the companies pay lawyers to defend their brands.

 

[k702]

But all these authentic mods and attys do sell so there must be a market. Like I say I am not a clone hater but to condemn any one for wanting to protect what they have created (unless they are as tasteless as Ameravape) is not exactly fair.

We should all see the issue from both sides of the coin if you know what I mean.

Not sure where the first part comes from... Obviously there is a market for authentic 250 dollar copper tubes with fancy artwork.. It's just not nearly as large as the market for 50 dollar copper tubes with fancy artwork. Hence many mod makers putting out like 200 or 500 pieces of product then having to wait 2 months for the next load of 200 or 500..

What I have a problem with is that it seems that a few of these authentic mod companies put as much or more thought into stopping clones than they do making stuff that is good enough and at a reasonable enough price point that they wouldn't have to worry about the clone makers in the first place. The simple fact that clones are as popular as they are goes to prove that the authentic mods out there really aren't as grand as they would have you believe.

I don't hate authentic mods or mod makers, just get aggravated with some companies (hana comes to mind immediately) and them trying to take away the possibility of checking out the design for $20-$50-$100 before dropping $150-$300 just adds to the aggravation.

 

[Ed_C]

Being able to get good products at reasonable prices is good for vaping. The fact that they are 1:1 copies of someone else's products doesn't help or hurt when it comes to people getting off cigarettes.

 

[edyle]

I have a hard time understanding what is an authentic tube mod. Just because you use a different metal or different "look" or a different color, isn't everything based off the same concept of a tube with a battery that provides power to a heating element that vaporizes a nicotine solution? I believe that concept originated and the patent is held in China.

I understand these guys would like to protect their time and investment but they are basically using the same concept everyone else is. Unless you apply and receive some sort of protection under the law the market is open to all.

An authentic Provari tube mod is one you can send back to Provape to repair and they'll fix it for free within the warranty period.

 

[M3CH M0D M4DN355]

I can see this is a very polarizing topic that people feel very passionately about, so I will bow out before I get burnt at the stake!

 

[Fictitious Character]

An authentic Provari tube mod is one you can send back to Provape to repair and they'll fix it for free within the warranty period.

One of reason to buy authentic when it comes to Provari imo. an extra 25.00 buys you an extra year.

Take the Hana warranty though, 90 days is all a couple hundred buys you.

 

[KY_Rob]

Plain and simple, cloning 1:1 and using another's logos and trademarks is theft. Theft of intellectual property, and theft of profits.

If you want something that somebody makes, and feel that the price they're charging is too high, neither you or anyone else, have the right to make and sell that that exact product, without express consent of the original designer/manufacturer. If someone thinks the prices are too high, then don't buy it. Simple rules of supply and demand.

So say otherwise, is ludicrous. To believe otherwise is nothing more than satisfaction of misguided desires. It's time to quit justifying unadulterated theft because you can't afford it, or don't find value in the OEM price.

I hope the Authentic modders crush the thieving clone makers.

 

[djsvapour]

Hmmmm.

I don't actually have much to say about top mods and their creators. If they can make something original and good then the market will decide how much they can charge.

At least the product is part of a bigger package which keeps people vaping not smoking, as opposed to say Blu or V2 or Njoy which are effectively marking up products even more to sell useless junk to unsuspecting newbies.

..and I'd better not get started on Vuse and Vype...

these are the real criminals of the e-cig world. Mass products for mass profits. Mass brainwashing if you ask me.

The first $800 I spent was on $7 cartomisers and $20 90mAh batteries that didn't get me off a "terrifying" 15 a day habit. (That's my attempt at sarcasm).

a $300 mod and $150 RBA would have served me much better in all honesty.

 

[crxess]

As it was in the beginning, so shall it continue to be:



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[Tombie15]

This is an argument of ethics, and ethics - like opinions, taste and subjective experience - can't be effectively argued. If a small modder takes the time to design and manufacture a product, fine tuning the tubing, aesthetics, threading, switch, or any other features of it, and a chinese company steals their design and mass produces copies of it, that's unethical IN MY OPINION. Listing out the costs of materials to make a mod and then condemning modders based on the discrepancy between cost of material and retail cost is the same thing as condemning a painter because he charges more than cost of materials for his paintings. You pay a premium not for the metal tube with switch, but for everything that went into making that tube and switch, which is far more than you might think.

 

[edyle]

This is an argument of ethics, and ethics - like opinions, taste and subjective experience - can't be effectively argued. If a small modder takes the time to design and manufacture a product, fine tuning the tubing, aesthetics, threading, switch, or any other features of it, and a chinese company steals their design and mass produces copies of it, that's unethical IN MY OPINION. Listing out the costs of materials to make a mod and then condemning modders based on the discrepancy between cost of material and retail cost is the same thing as condemning a painter because he charges more than cost of materials for his paintings. You pay a premium not for the metal tube with switch, but for everything that went into making that tube and switch, which is far more than you might think.

You seemed to have not mentioned patent.

 

[Kendogalopigus]

This is an argument of ethics, and ethics - like opinions, taste and subjective experience - can't be effectively argued. If a small modder takes the time to design and manufacture a product, fine tuning the tubing, aesthetics, threading, switch, or any other features of it, and a chinese company steals their design and mass produces copies of it, that's unethical IN MY OPINION. Listing out the costs of materials to make a mod and then condemning modders based on the discrepancy between cost of material and retail cost is the same thing as condemning a painter because he charges more than cost of materials for his paintings. You pay a premium not for the metal tube with switch, but for everything that went into making that tube and switch, which is far more than you might think.

same example i used before with the stingray x clone, the clone has more detail and the same voltage drop. its hands down a better product and since it does have detail differences its technically not a clone, so $40 for more detail, or $230 for less detail? same materials but $190 less.

 

[Kendogalopigus]

and that was one of my points, it doesnt cost $230 to make a metal tube.

 

[Midniteoyl]

It doesnt matter anyways... Unless they register their claimed trademark, Customs can do nothing about it. Look it up...

 

[Fictitious Character]

For mods that are not clones and are original for hundreds I want a decent warranty. The 12 mth warranty was one of the reasons I pre-ordered a IPV3.

 

[searchengine]

I'm new to vaping, and will be happy to pay reasonable retail prices for authentic equipment. I have already purchased a few authentic pieces, and plan to buy several more over time as my knowledge and interest developes.

However, some authentic developers appear to be self harming by pushing out high priced prototypes at high retail prices, followed only weeks later with the 'actual' product... sod the guy who bought the prototype, he now needs to buy the 'actual' product.

I do not promote cloning, but authentic developers need to lead the way and show customer loyalty to get that loyalty returned ten fold.

 

[nicetucu]

These threads never go well......... I'm on the fence cause I do use both.

 

[Midniteoyl]

You seemed to have not mentioned patent.

Patents? What patents? Just what 'patent' do you think they would get approval for? They cant even take the time to send $25 in to claim their copyright! Or register a trademark (that they stole anyways ).