Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[retird]

How about an accountant?

Jeez, it seems like every ECF member is a plumber ¬_¬

Call a plumber to your house, or engage an accountant, or an electrician, or whomever check out their hourly rates.....( example plumber rates around here are 125 bucks an hour, electricians 125 bucks an hour)....maybe we need to have clones who will charge 50 bucks..... then you can choose authentic or clone services....

 

[bluecat]

Call a plumber to your house, or engage an accountant, or an electrician, or whomever check out their hourly rates.....( example plumber rates around here are 125 bucks an hour, electricians 125 bucks an hour)....maybe we need to have clones who will charge 50 bucks..... then you can choose authentic or clone services....

Strange. I just had my lines blown out on my pool. Estimates were from 85-275. Were they clones?

BTW.. he said most seem to be a plumber on here.. I am an accountant... which it what I was stating. Maybe I got the gist of the post wrong.

 

[Equilibrium]

I posted something similar in another thread also....

I'm personally not on the "pro authentic" band wagon. BUT I can totally get why some are. I just can't justify spending $200-$300 + for a metal tube with a switch. Possibly the only "authentic mod" I'll ever own is a Reo, but who knows, we'll see.

But again, I see their point. I'm a semi-pro pool player and I own several very expensive handmade pool cues. I picked up one last night that will stay hidden in one of my cue cases for a short while because the wife doesn't need to know I dropped $2200 on a handmade, signed 1 of 1 cue..... again! (used, at that)
Could I play with a "house cue".. sure. Could I play as well with a house cue... maybe? Would a house cue look and feel as nice.... no! Would I enjoy playing with a house cue?.... not nearly as much!

It's about priorities....

 

[skoony]

They're wrong to you. Not me.

I can't? Watch me.

Who exactly is getting harmed by me buying a clone? The authentics makers aren't losing a sale with me. I buy a clone because it's cheap. If authentic is all that's available, I'm not shelling out that much cash for a metal tube. The authentic won't see my money either way, so they're not losing anything if I buy a clone.


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believe me i am not trying to pick a fight.
the problem as i see it is situational ethics.
there are rules for a reason. should i drive
down the wrong side of the street because,hey,
that's what i feel is right for me? therefore i will
do it and no one can tell me what to do.

authentic makers are losing sales.
either pay the price,save up for it or
don't get one.

that's three choices. if you want a fourth choice that's
fine with me. i wont hold it against you as long as you
understand what that choice is. its not personal.

i am more peeved at the educational system and environment
that seems to shape the opinions of so many of today's young people.

 

[Circa Survivor]

believe me i am not trying to pick a fight.
the problem as i see it is situational ethics.
there are rules for a reason. should i drive
down the wrong side of the street because,hey,
that's what i feel is right for me? therefore i will
do it and no one can tell me what to do.

authentic makers are losing sales.
either pay the price,save up for it or
don't get one.

that's three choices. if you want a fourth choice that's
fine with me. i wont hold it against you as long as you
understand what that choice is. its not personal.

i am more peeved at the educational system and environment
that seems to shape the opinions of so many of today's young people.

1. Ok... that's a traffic law. Not even comparable.

2. The only way they'd be losing sales is if their product isn't good.

3. This is just nonsense.

 

[Equilibrium]

I don't in any way see how original mod makers are losing money. They can't keep up with supply and demand. They don't have any stock thus the long lead times for production dates. If they were losing money they'd have product sitting on a shelf, which they don't.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

So you must follow him around and see that owning a clone mod affects him personally. I mean, you said it does. So that would be the only thing that makes sense.

I'm guessing by the fact that you are here, that you can, in fact, read. (I'm not judging you of you can't. Nebraska Adult Education and GED | NDE) You quoted it. Read it again.

If you are just trying to get a reaction, that's as much as you are going to get. The weather is great, I have the day off, vape mail coming in later... Meh Be what you wanna be.

 

[skoony]

1. Ok... that's a traffic law. Not even comparable.

2. The only way they'd be losing sales is if their product isn't good.

3. This is just nonsense.

1.making and selling knock-offs is against the law.

2. if there product is good,any lost sales is bad.
if there product is bad,the market will respond accordingly.

3.well,thank you for pointing that out mister helper.

 

[Marc411]

So I posted in this thread for a while and stopped but I have one additional question because this recently came up.

I own an authentic Veritas, I bought it because the quality is significantly superior and I had the money. I recently reached out to the supplier and builder to get a new insulator (to purchase, didn't ask for anything free). I supplied all the information including a method to prove it was an authentic, and over the course of two weeks have not received a response.

So I bought US and so far there is zero support for their product. How is this any different than buying a clone and not getting any support. How should I feel as a consumer when a US manufacturer won't support their product.

The thing gets me in the return period.... if they allow returns. It seems like it is a crap shoot. At least with a clone you are out 20 bucks vs 200 if you do not like it. Heck I think FT gives you 6 months.

Agreed

So how about someone answering a valid question. If an authentic provider won't support there product with parts then why wouldn't someone just buy a clone. Without a good insulator my Veritas is useless.

 

[Equilibrium]

Agreed

So how about someone answering a valid question. If an authentic provider won't support there product with parts then why wouldn't someone just buy a clone. Without a good insulator my Veritas is useless.

All I can say is their customer service sucks and word of mouth is the best form of advertisement. I wasn't in the market for an authentic Veritas before and I'm definitely not now.

 

[Circa Survivor]

I'm guessing by the fact that you are here, that you can, in fact, read. (I'm not judging you of you can't. Nebraska Adult Education and GED | NDE) You quoted it. Read it again.

If you are just trying to get a reaction, that's as much as you are going to get. The weather is great, I have the day off, vape mail coming in later... Meh Be what you wanna be.

Prophet stated: Except it doesn't bother me. Dude, I get judged "negatively" a million ways every single day for various reasons, whether it be how I look, how I dress, my religious choices, the music I listen to... the list goes on and on. You really think what someone else thinks of my shiny metal tube affects me?

To which you answered yes, you think it affects him. He already stated it does not bother or affect him, but you think it does, which is why I was saying you must be following him around. Watching his every move, watching his reactions when he takes his clones out in public. Stop trying to speak for people. I think Mr. Big ol' Texas needs to learn to read. Your move, Mr. McGraw.

 

[Heldar]

1. Ok... that's a traffic law. Not even comparable.

2. The only way they'd be losing sales is if their product isn't good.

3. This is just nonsense.

1.making and selling knock-offs is against the law.

2. if there product is good,any lost sales is bad.
if there product is bad,the market will respond accordingly.

3.well,thank you for pointing that out mister helper.

Just to point out, multiple adult acts between two people are still illegal in many states. Saying thing A is illegal like thing B is not necessarily comparable.

 

[bluecat]

believe me i am not trying to pick a fight.
the problem as i see it is situational ethics.
there are rules for a reason. should i drive
down the wrong side of the street because,hey,
that's what i feel is right for me? therefore i will
do it and no one can tell me what to do.

authentic makers are losing sales.
either pay the price,save up for it or
don't get one.

that's three choices. if you want a fourth choice that's
fine with me. i wont hold it against you as long as you
understand what that choice is. its not personal.

i am more peeved at the educational system and environment
that seems to shape the opinions of so many of today's young people.

Maybe they should lower the prices to become competitive. From my seat here.. I bought a clone. I would not have bought the authentic. I would have been satisfied with my MVP2 and Spinners... I really like the Istick. I could buy it, but I can only vape one device at a time. They didn't lose any money from me buying a clone as I would have never bought the authentic at the price they are charging. They are free to charge whatever they want.

Don't get me started on the education system. I am peeved as well.

 

[ItTechy]

He is my two worth:

When an "original" is produced in the USA it normally demands a higher price than if a similar item is made overseas and the resoning is simple:

In the good ole USA we cannot live on or at the same level as many live on in other countries.

We have a much higher cost of living, period.

We also have MUCH HIGHER standards of manufacturing of quality products overall than many other countries.

I own several Provari', and I have yet to see that quality in a foreign product.

As far as RBA', I have several American made ones, and yes they were expensive, but are quality products.

Recently I purchased a clone of a certain RBA made in Europe, it looks good, but I have yet to use it because it came with poorly fit "o" rings, so I am waiting on some metric "o" rings to see if this will solve the issue?

Granted it only sells for about 1/3 of the original, but if I end up not being able to use it, I wasted $40.00!

Why did I buy it, just as many do, I wanted the product, and didn't want to spend the $130.00 plus dollars, so I get what I paid for!

I personally do not mind spending more, because I expect and usually, USUALLY get more from an authentic product than a knock off!

When was the last time you tried getting support for a imported product, or more specifically a clone, ain't gonna happen!

For that matter try getting support from a Asian based company that produces an original product, still "ain't" happening!

Case and point my personal experience from a leading Chinese company: I tired not only calling their American division, but writing them, as well as their headquarters in China; I get voice mail from their office in the US, no return call, I get an email saying they don't supply the seals I need; actually they said "we don't have them". Now lets get this straight, they make a product, include seals, so they get them from somewhere, but "they don't have them"! Needless to say I got no where with their HQ, no reply, nada, zip!

Now on to an American company;I needed replacement "o" rings for my HOH ZAP, I call and actually talk to Zen, he tells me the sizes and also mentions the retailers I can get them from if I so choose.

NO BS, no emails, no hacked off consumer stories, just good old fashioned customer service; now try getting that from an Chinese company.

This one clone purchase for me has pretty well done it, as far as I am concerned, I will save my money and buy the original, at least I can call the manufacturer and get support!

Not to mention when we buy American we support America (most of the time).

IMHO

 

[jimbodaddy74]

believe me i am not trying to pick a fight.
the problem as i see it is situational ethics.
there are rules for a reason. should i drive
down the wrong side of the street because,hey,
that's what i feel is right for me? therefore i will
do it and no one can tell me what to do.

authentic makers are losing sales.
either pay the price,save up for it or
don't get one.

that's three choices. if you want a fourth choice that's
fine with me. i wont hold it against you as long as you
understand what that choice is. its not personal.

i am more peeved at the educational system and environment
that seems to shape the opinions of so many of today's young people.

I have said it before and will say it again, because some people don't get it. If a mod maker only produces 1000 mods, and sells all 1000 mods, they have lost ZERO potential sales due to clones. They have sold the entire amount they intended to. There is NO MORE benefit to reap once they have sold that 1000 mods.

 

[skoony]

I have said it before and will say it again, because some people don't get it. If a mod maker only produces 1000 mods, and sells all 1000 mods, they have lost ZERO potential sales due to clones. They have sold the entire amount they intended to. There is NO MORE benefit to reap once they have sold that 1000 mods.

well then,if i didn't buy one,
i don't get one.
so sad

 

[retird]

Strange. I just had my lines blown out on my pool. Estimates were from 85-275. Were they clones?

BTW.. he said most seem to be a plumber on here.. I am an accountant... which it what I was stating. Maybe I got the gist of the post wrong.

Only was a supposition..... If we had clone accountants, plumbers, etc that charged 1/3 the hourly rate we all could use the clones and save money by not having to pay those prices currently being charged.... basically adopting China's economy....and low wages...and etc...

 

[bluecat]

Only was a supposition..... If we had clone accountants, plumbers, etc that charged 1/3 the hourly rate we all could use the clones and save money by not having to pay those prices currently being charged.... basically adopting China's economy....and low wages...and etc...

Funny you mention that. I think I understand it now. Earlier in my career the tax portion was being "shipped" to india... cheap labor.. Some companies did it.... Well the partners soon found out the work was junk and the turnaround slow.

There is some truth to that. If everything was cut by a 3rd...the wealth factor would still remain. Unfortunately here in the US were are slowly becoming a "caste" system and do not even realize it.

 

[samcm010]

I have said it before and will say it again, because some people don't get it. If a mod maker only produces 1000 mods, and sells all 1000 mods, they have lost ZERO potential sales due to clones. They have sold the entire amount they intended to. There is NO MORE benefit to reap once they have sold that 1000 mods.

But there are other original mod makers who have inventory that do loose sales when you buy the clone of "sold out" mod and not choose to buy the available Mod. There are now great threads on here that have multiple original mods under $100 and under $50 and if you think your purchase of a clone does not take away from the sales of these mods you are sadly mistaken.

 

[ItTechy]

But there are other original mod makers who have inventory that do loose sales when you buy the clone of "sold out" mod and not choose to buy the available Mod. There are now great threads on here that have multiple original mods under $100 and under $50 and if you think your purchase of a clone does not take away from the sales of these mods you are sadly mistaken.

I agree on the surface, but one has to look hard at where the originals are made.

I was looking at a clone this afternoon that sells for $24.00, the original sells for $105.00, no differences that I could see (of course not on the net anyway)...

Here' the fun part; the original that sells for over 4 times that of the clone, and the original is made in the Philippines, so are we differentiating on origin of the "original" vs. clone vs. what?

In some cases I would rather buy the clone!

In most I would not.

If I design something, patent it, ship it off to be made overseas to save costs and boost my personal profit margins (all the while it has been copied and cloned) who's really getting the benefit; not the consumer by buying the original....

The whole topic can be a tough call.....I need a vape.....