Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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I wonder why?
It certainly isn't because they are all just threaded tubes.
It certainly isn't because of a performance increase over a chunk of copper pipe and a few odds and ends.
It certainly isn't because you can't make your own from junk
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Maurice
You have to come with more than that if you want a serious reply. It is a basic economic reality.
Maurice
So now we are going from buying authentic (no distiction made on where it is made) to US can only buy US, Greeks only Greeks, Germans only Germans, I guess the Guatemalans can only buy Guatemalan mods?
Just WOW!
Beyond silly. It is down in the deep dark recesses of life with tin foil.
Oh I don't know. Maybe the 20 dollar price tag may have something to do with it.
Oh boy, a clone debate.... Didn't see that one coming, lol. Seems like all we talk about these days.
What I wanna see is a smart designer from the US or Europe come up with a nice design and then work with a China manufacturer to make them. Then, have the China manufacturer send all the unites back to the designer where he (or she) has a team of people run some QA checks on each unite... Some unites will be bunk for whatever reason, those will then no be distributed. The ones that pass QA will be boxed up and sold.
This would insure an original design with minimal to no defects. I think we could get the cost of a mod at around $50 this way and the cost of an atty around $35. Sure, China will clone the thing... But I know myself and a lot of other people would not by the clone since the original is so cheap.
It's like the mutation x atomizer, it was designed in America but made in China. It's a really good RDA for $25. Yea, you can get the clone for 10-15 bucks, but who the hell would by the clone when the real deal is 10 bucks more.
If you can't beat them, joint them. Make a sick design and have China make it to insure a low end cost.... But do some QA on the end by the designers hands. This will insure the user will get a good original non clone product. Your bound to have %30 of them come out as junk, but with a QA test run before they get sent out you'll insure a near %100 accuracy.
You could even make the exact same design in the US with a slightly different logo for the vapers that refuse to support China in anyway. So your company would be able to supply solid US made mods, and quality China made ones. You'd tap into both markets. The potential to make lots of money and make lots of people happy at the same time is there. Take advantage someone, it's like an untapped gold mind idea here just waiting be put into play.
Mark my words.... This will happen soon. I'm not the only one thinking about this. I just don't have a resources.
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What I wanna see is a smart designer from the US or Europe come up with a nice design and then work with a China manufacturer to make them. Then, have the China manufacturer send all the unites back to the designer where he (or she) has a team of people run some QA checks on each unite... Some unites will be bunk for whatever reason, those will then no be distributed. The ones that pass QA will be boxed up and sold.
This would insure an original design with minimal to no defects. I think we could get the cost of a mod at around $50 this way and the cost of an atty around $35. Sure, China will clone the thing... But I know myself and a lot of other people would not by the clone since the original is so cheap.
It's like the mutation x atomizer, it was designed in America but made in China. It's a really good RDA for $25. Yea, you can get the clone for 10-15 bucks, but who the hell would by the clone when the real deal is 10 bucks more.
If you can't beat them, joint them. Make a sick design and have China make it to insure a low end cost.... But do some QA on the end by the designers hands. This will insure the user will get a good original non clone product. Your bound to have %30 of them come out as junk, but with a QA test run before they get sent out you'll insure a near %100 accuracy.
You could even make the exact same design in the US with a slightly different logo for the vapers that refuse to support China in anyway. So your company would be able to supply solid US made mods, and quality China made ones. You'd tap into both markets. The potential to make lots of money and make lots of people happy at the same time is there. Take advantage someone, it's like an untapped gold mind idea here just waiting be put into play.
Mark my words.... This will happen soon. I'm not the only one thinking about this. I just don't have a resources.
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The economic idea is to keep the money you make close to home, it isn't a "you can only buy such and such mods". The question was how does buying a Nemesis help my kids, it wouldn't if you were not Greek, but if you were it would.
I have polish atomizers which I purchased because I am of Polish decent, in any case that money is not very likely to circulate back to the states any time soon. There is no US income tax revenue going to be earned on the profit made either, so in a very small way I hurt the economy.
I tried to pay import tariffs but was told that wasn't needed for such a small purchase. To be quite honest that kind of surprised me.
Maurice
Bad idea, you'll get charged high enough for the company to both make money off of you and to still undercut your MSRP down the road.
If you can QA your batch of devices and get them to the market prior to the company selling their clones I would be impressed.
Maurice
Yes, I know. I wrote it. My response was initiated by this in my post. From post #384 by retird.
"Just read this entire thread. Other threads on this subject have been out there for a while too. Only thought I will add is:
Buy authentic and your children and grandchildren will benefit in both tangible and non-tangible ways..... buy clones and they will not.....
Yep, I've researched many copyrights, trademarks, and patents on this......as have dr g and others.... "
It seems quite simple to me. Buy authentic and your kids and grandkids will benefit. Buy clones and they won't. I did not read into it and I did not twist it.
Yes I understand the economic impact of keeping money close to home. 99% of it is. Heck... 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of it is.
Now if the government will do their job then the overseas market will work. We are in a global economy. Maybe Isolationism may work. I doubt it though.
You are wrong to an extent on taxes. Now if each individual would pay their sales and use tax on items they have purchased, the the state will get their taxes in their coffers. Most people don't. Most people do not even know they exist. Now if you are one of the few that live in a state that does not have a sales and use tax, this would not apply.
Yes, I believe it for under 100 bucks or so.
Saying a clone wont last as long as an authentic is a ridiculous argument. Thats like saying a chevy or ford will last longer than a kia or Hyundai. Just isnt true. A steel tube from the u.s. will last just as long as one from china. Crap mods will be crap, regardless if they are clones at $30 or authentics at $200. This is especially true if the owner takes care of it.
Just an FYI....if any of you are ever trying to find me, I'll be the excruciatingly handsome gentleman who doesn't give a rats hind end what you think about me based on my choice of vape gear. The elitism is really pretty gross.
If you can make a fork mouth safe, good for you. You can sell it being the first to market with your great design. If people like your brand, hey they might even keep buying it even keep buying it even though there is a cheap alternative.
I don't quite see what the rest of the law has to do with design patents. Apple's rounded corner and bounce effect law suit is hardly comparable to some murder case.
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I'm one of those people that has to tack on sales and use tax to the price of things, it's pretty sad that 6% (our sales and use tax) is higher than my profit margin of 5%
There are plenty of times where people report "I just binned the (insert your favorite cloned device)", other times they love them to death. Not every authentic is pristine in form and function, but then a clone of a junk authentic is going to have the same issues.
I would think it goes without saying a quality bit of authentic gear is something that can both be admired and useful beyond that of a clone. The fact that your kids and grand kids will know you have some higher moral or ethical standing is in and of itself something of a benefit to them.
Kids watch us, they learn from us, and to say to your kid don't copy your friends paper at school then turn around and vape away on a copy of an authentic is not lost on the child.
Maurice
Thats funny, because out of the 5 authentics ive bought, 3 are useless because of threading being crap or some such. And out of the 7 clones I own, I havent had an issue with any but one.
And thats my point. Using the high ethic stance is BS. People loce to spout this "you get what you pay for" crap but that isnt always the case. I spent a small fortune on authentic PoS and a fraction on clones that are still going strong. Of course my case isnt the norm in any fashion.
I, personally, am ok with spending $30 on something that may break or be useless at some point, whether that be by my own fault or faulty parts. I am NOT ok with spending $200 on something like that, and in my experience authentics do not provide enough of anything to justify their hefty price tags anymore. Its all about the money, not ethics. Ethics wont keep me off stinkies when my $200 steel tube decides to take a crap. But I can go out and get another $30 steel tube at pretty much any time.
If it's just a metal tube with a button on it, then my cigalikes are equal to all of your mods. Apparently design doesn't matter. All eCigs are equal. I shall now name my cigalike "Provari" and tell people that's what I vape from. Only cost me $20.
seems to me both sides where less than friendly to each other.
boorish behavior,yes i'll give you that.
illegal,um,i just don't see it.
worth getting my undies in a bunch?
in the big scheme of things it doesn't warrant a second thought.
it was what it was.
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mike
Not worth it for me, but they initiated it, several times, and posted it on the web and if iJoy wanted to, they would have a case. Thats all I'm saying.
Again guys.. nobody has a patent on these mods. Evolve has one on their chips, but no one has one on the mods themselves. Kinda makes the whole patent issue very moot. Trademark? Sure, if you can prove you are the original. But not patent.
Have proof of that? Link? And the Nemesis is not the only one that did it...
Um.. Super T ~ WorkHorse Not exactly 'junk'
I used to work in a machine shop.. repaired every kind of CNC machine you can think of.. Not to metion turrent lathes, Brown and Sharps, etc... I know what it costs.
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