You suck it up and recognize that this is the nature of the business you are in. Then you put on your big boy pants, wipe away the tears, and try again.
Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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You suck it up and recognize that this is the nature of the business you are in. Then you put on your big boy pants, wipe away the tears, and try again.
Dont care... In the US I can stop them. If I wanted to have protections in another country, I would follow the rules there. Thats kinda what people have been saying: You cannot stop it. Even if you win here in the US, they will still be sold elsewhere in the world. However, that doesnt mean I should NOT take whatever steps I can to protect my product, and then whine and cry like a little baby when it is copied. To do it that way is just, well, stupid.
Theres a hell of a lot more going on in a provari than just soldering a board to a wire. Theres designing, programming, testing software (real testing at that, not just looking for voltage drop), testing durability so on and so forth. You cannot simply solder a ram chip to a tube and do what a provari, or any regulated mod does. And thats why there are very few clones of them. They arent easy or simple to clone and the clones that do exist simply dont perform as well as an authentic. Thats something that CANNOT be said for mechs. And thats why evolv has a patent, and also why you, me, or most other people cant easily replicate the same design and add a different logo.
Not really. I parent the way I wish to parent. My kids have their "jobs" Their school work and extra curricular activities and volunteer programs. They are 12 and 16. After I took the first 10 bucks from them, they now move with little to no talk back. I counted it as a win. I am quiet happy the way my kids are turning out. My kids ask to be excused from the table when we eat a meal together. I got a call from my mom one night when the kids stayed over. She said... I almost cried when they both asked if they could be excused from the dinner table. I never said it was easy. They are good kids.
They pay me cash. Whether they earned it from baby sitting, dog sitting or birthday money, they pay me. They have the option of doing more chores to earn it back. 4-5 years of this, I have to turn them down sometimes.
I have my 16 year old come to my work and do filing and shredding over the summer. She gets paid whatever it is the owner pays her. I in turn tell her whatever she makes that summer I will match in a Roth IRA. Like she even knows what that is. I am sure when she turns 59 and sees she has this Roth IRA that was set up for her 45 years ago.... she may be a little happy.
My 12 year old is in competitive dance. If anyone has kids in that you know how much time it takes up... not to mention the expense and travel.
Reinforcement and love. All my kids need.. It worked for me.. Maybe you should try it with kids... It may surprise you.
Who's whining?
Clone product sees no reason to follow the rules. Why would there be a reason?
Why is pro-clone crowd whining about the pending lawsuit?
No, there is a difference in making something that accomplishes the same task as something else vs making and marketing an identical copy of someone else's product.
The fact that you don't recognize that difference is interesting to me.
I don't tend to use regulated devices, and if I were to purchase one it would be something I found suitable and desirable to me. It would not be a clone, copy, or counterfeit. If I were to make my own, it would be for me, and not based on some other design, and certainly not for sale.
Plus, making my own supports a wide variety of people just not Provari.
If money is an issue, you get creative with saving or earning, or use the skills you have to make something yourself.
Maurice
They pay you cash for what? I'm seriously missing an entire idea here.
Fines for not getting up and doing chores?
I have two in collage one on track to earn a doctorate in veterinary medicine, the other aspires to be an art therapist, a 17 and 13 year old at home, one of which would like to get into biomedical research, the other like photography so we shall see what they decide on in the future. All have their own checking and savings accounts, and work hard to earn the money that's in them, they decide how to manage their money be it saving or spending, though we do talk about strategies with them so they have the tools to achieve what they want in life.
So what are your kids paying you in cash for again?
Maurice
Are we actually turning this thread into a .... measuring contest over who parents their kids better? Honestly....
Bottom line is this: if you think clones are "unethical", that's cool, don't buy one. If you think they're okay, but them to your hearts content. Why does what other people prefer seem to have such an emotional impact on people? Is that really where our society is now, where other people's personal decisions, that have little to no impact on us at all, get people so emotionally invested?
Bottom line is this: if you think clones are "unethical", that's cool, don't buy one. If you think they're okay, but them to your hearts content. Why does what other people prefer seem to have such an emotional impact on people? Is that really where our society is now, where other people's personal decisions, that have little to no impact on us at all, get people so emotionally invested?
I'm not whining. I'm happy to see manufacturers take action to protect their trademarks. Personally, I think using someone else's logo is rather tacky. I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd rather buy a plain tube that works like a [whatever] without the logo. We're starting to see some no-logo mods and new design RBAs come out of China. I hope that is a trend that continues.
One, I dont actually see a 'lawsuit'..?
Two, I, myself, am not whining about it. I am, however, pointing out the folly of it since they didnt even take the most basic measures to protect themselves.
Three, 'Who's whining?' Are you really serious with this one? I'm gonna take it that you are not, because to think that you are would just be too sad.
That's the beauty of making your own stuff, I know there is a lot going on in a Provari that took time and skills I don't have, I also know making your own mechanical mod to the same standard as an authentic is no walk in the park.
What I can do though is make something that does the trick without compromising my ethics. I can put something together that does not teach my kids to steal. I can sit back and enjoy a quality vape and take a look at my own handiwork and smile at something I did.
Every time someone proudly exclaims they own a clone, they remind themselves they own a stolen design and tell the world the exact same thing.
I'd much rather fiddle with a DIY regulated mod or a pipe bomb looking rig, or a flashlight converted to use as a mod than buy a clone.
Maurice
Dude... Joke.
Though I do find it funny that you advocate buying from USA workers, and that owning an 'original' means you've 'made it', but also advocate making your own replica in order not to buy from a USA worker.
Basically they pay him for living there. If they want money from him, they do their chores.
I did the same with my kids. Taught them a lot.
Hmm. let's see if this helps.
One of my 12 year old chores is emptying out the dishwasher every day after school or school activities. At the end of the week if she does it every day she will get a buck and a quarter. If she doesn't do it any of those days she pays me a buck and a quarter. If she does it 3 days she gets paid 75 cents then has to pay me 50 cents. The 50 cents is for the 2 days that my wife or I had to do her chore. Seeing actual cash come out of her pocket opened her eyes.
Similar to taxes. Most people have taxes withheld from the paycheck then remitted to IRS by the employer. They really don;t see the money in the first. They are "numb" to paying taxes, the only see a refund at the end of the year. This is absolutely pure genius by the government. Now say the employer isn't required to withhold and remit payroll taxes. Could you imagine every person having to pay their federal, state and local withholdings, social security, medicare payment by check. It really opens a persons eyes. I took it to the next level with my kids. It worked.
So far my two girls are looking to be a vet and the other a physical therapist.
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