Well, since we are both just speculating on what some hypothetical person is motivated by, neither of our arguments are going to take us very far.
Authentic makers sueing Cloners?
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I would assume (and hope) that a mod/vape gear designer and maker would also be a vaper themselves and get satisfaction out of bringing something cool to the plate that they would be proud of, help others stay off cigarettes, and make some money in the process. It's everyone's dream to make a living at something they love that is also changing the world for the better somehow (well, everyone with a good hearts dream that is).
If we wanna look at it specifically has "someone lining their own pockets with zero care for the cause"... In this case, keeping people off ciggs with a healthier alternative. I'd have to say the China clone makers would be the ones guilty of only caring about the almighty dollar; not the high end mod designers.
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If we wanna look at it specifically has "someone lining their own pockets with zero care for the cause"... In this case, keeping people off ciggs with a healthier alternative. I'd have to say the China clone makers would be the ones guilty of only caring about the almighty dollar; not the high end mod designers.
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something i have to add i found out today that makes my stingray x clone better than the authentic, a buddy of mine has one too from the same place and it turns out they didn't weld the SS cover to the Copper tube so when the inside of the cutout gets all dirty you can spin it and make it look new again, or take the sleeve off all together and polish the copper without worry of ruining the SS cover. 
Again guys.. nobody has a patent on these mods. Evolve has one on their chips, but no one has one on the mods themselves. Kinda makes the whole patent issue very moot. Trademark? Sure, if you can prove you are the original. But not patent.
Hmm -- don't know about which mods are creating all this discussion, but there are patents on mods, not just the PCB's. Buzz and his buck circuit vv vaporizing tube and Reosmods, a "mech", btw. There are other applications on file at the Patent office.
As am I american. At 50 ish I still say the pledge if allegiance and sing the stars spangled banner when it is played. I can't sing very well but that isn't an issue to me. I wish more Americans would.
I wouldn't say all the cool kids are doing it. It is what it is. I don't put much value on the device. I would not spend 200 bucks on and would have stayed with my mvp and spinners. For 20 bucks I will buy a clone.
I didn't buy it to be cool. The young kids don't think they are cool. I bought it to aid in my journey to quit a habit that I began to feel wasn't good for me.
For someone to not get a patent trademark copyright or whatever is not playing by the rules either. I know 2 wrongs do not make a right. If a company is not willing to protect their investment then shame on them not shame on me for buying a clone.
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It's not wrong to not get a patent, never has been never will be.
A patent is your governments way of making you pay for something you designed and marketed. Only then will they afford you ownership of your own creation and the ability to spend more money seeking damages and maybe confiscations if the government happens to run into a product clone/counterfeit.
If we want to call out who's the real thief, I'll gladly point to the patent office and government to which it belongs.
Maurice
A patent is your governments way of making you pay for something you designed and marketed. Only then will they afford you ownership of your own creation and the ability to spend more money seeking damages and maybe confiscations if the government happens to run into a product clone/counterfeit.
If we want to call out who's the real thief, I'll gladly point to the patent office and government to which it belongs.
Maurice
So what I'm still hearing is that it is never the mod makers' fault for not having the business sense to get trademark protection. But it is the government's responsibility to protect them regardless. Still making perfect sense.
Who says most don't? The problem is most counterfeits are made in PRC, which doesn't recognize intellectual property rights...
I'll say it again. The Chinese don't give a rat'sass about patents, copyrights, or trademarks.
And there are many vapers that dont give a rat's ... either nor do they care that China is stealing ideas and original thoughts and concepts. It is a shame
Who cares. Buy what you want and don't judge other people. Life's too short to care about this kind of crap.
So if you were walking by a store and saw people stealing from the store owner would you not say something? Or if you do not believe in the theory that it is stealing do you not speak your mind when you believe people are doing something you morally disagree with? If so then more power to you I just believe in speaking my mind when I see people doing something I know is wrong. I have friends who have clones and we are still friends I am not a Nazi on the topic but when there is a discussion on a forum I feel it is important to share a reasonable side to the argument. Especially since there are new vapers on here everyday who deserve to have the information as I hope many will support the real innovators of this industry.
Mechs are a very simple design and most are knock offs of each other. I say China make there own tube mods steal ideas like everyone else does and sell authentic Chinese mods. I would continue to use them being that most authentic mods are rarely available and way way over priced. I mean these are basically flashlights with a better contacts and 510 connector... who the heck would pay 200 for that.
If it weren't for China we wouldn't have ecigs. I don't consider variations of metal tubes "innovation."
Well many of us would and do.. while I will not do so I could argue all day long there are many reasons why many authentic mods are priced like they are and are far better in quality. I would never argue about someone picking up a china mech with no logos that copied a design. The real problem comes when the exact original logo is put on and the name of the authentic is used to promote or market said counterfeit.
Yeah but isn't this the same idea as buying off brand groceries? Sometimes it's good sometimes ya get what you pay for.
True but China did not create the unique button in the Poldiac or the original design of the Nemesis button, or contacts on the Chi, or the center pin of the In'zx, or putting magnets in the button instead of a spring, or the hybrid connection, or the DNA30, or the BF design of the REO and on and on and on. The tubes may all be metal tubes but there are so many other facets to mods. But I politely agree that you Circa and I will never agree on this topic does not mean I will not speak my mind as I hope you will as well the world is a far better place when all opinions are expressed freely
Yes and no.. sometimes it is good and sometimes it is not true.. But Harris Teeter brand Mac and Cheese does not come in a Kraft box with the Kraft label. I have no problem with Sigelei selling their #8 which I think is an attempt at a caravela but they call it a #8 and did not put the Caravela logo on it.
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