Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[Kendogalopigus]

not sure if its against the rules to post a link to a mod, if so sorry moderators feel free to delete this post.

Vaperev Shop - Luxe Chocolate Mod - Luxe Mods - Mechanical - Devices

perfect example of HECK NO! from what i can see this mod doesn't even have vent holes, "oh look we anodized it brown, give us $340" pfft.

edit: you think for $340 you would at least get gold contacts and not brass lol

 

[jimbodaddy74]

The name of the mod I will make... Once I get a lathe.

Crap. Forgot to register the trademark.

 

[Midniteoyl]

That happened honestly by accident, but having your Kirk facepalm right next to it made it even funnier to me.

Thats PICARD!!.. Trekie noob

 

[Midniteoyl]

not sure if its against the rules to post a link to a mod, if so sorry moderators feel free to delete this post.

Vaperev Shop - Luxe Chocolate Mod - Luxe Mods - Mechanical - Devices

perfect example of HECK NO! from what i can see this mod doesn't even have vent holes, "oh look we anodized it brown, give us $340" pfft.

edit: you think for $340 you would at least get gold contacts and not brass lol

Ya.... no.



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[Maurice Pudlo]

Except we are not talking about two different classes of products. The weak argument being made would be like comparing a mod to a black iron nipple. It is not a valid argument for this debate and is a complete failure.

A black iron pipe would function as a mod very well, and while I wasn't vaping when folks were making their own mods out of just about anything and everything I'm fairly sure exactly that has been done.

The suggestion has been made time and time again that a mod is nothing but a threaded pipe, a switch, and a top cap. Thus having these properties all mods are clones.

Such an claim is laughable, and the hose analogy aptly demonstrates this.

Mod switches are often similar looking (not identical), but have very different design features. Mods tend to go about accepting differing battery sizes in different ways, and top caps may incorporate air flow into their design or not, the Nemesis being quite unique in this area.

In any case I do believe it is a valid way to drive a point home. It isn't a standalone argument.

Maurice

 

[nukleusx]

I was making some industrial hose on my line at work last week. Extruded PVC core tube, turned it around, ran it through a glue bath, then braiding server, then put a sheath of PVC on it. I then turned that around, through the glue again, more nylon yarn braid through the server, then a final sheath of PVC. The end result- a very strong, lightweight 1/2 inch Id hose rated at 8000lb burst and 2400 lb working pressure rating. Looks like a standard garden hose, but the reality is it is far stronger, has a faster flow rate, higher burst and abrasion resistance than any garden hose on the market. The point is, sometimes a hose isn't just a hose... People who don't see uniqueness in authentic mods simply don't understand manufacturing processes. Sometimes that switch, airflow size or positioning or even materials used make a world of difference...

Man that sounds like a freakin awesome hose! What is the application? Hydraulic line?

Just reading the description made me want to buy one. Without even having answers to my above questions.

That said, can I buy one from you???

 

[samcm010]

not sure if its against the rules to post a link to a mod, if so sorry moderators feel free to delete this post.

Vaperev Shop - Luxe Chocolate Mod - Luxe Mods - Mechanical - Devices

perfect example of HECK NO! from what i can see this mod doesn't even have vent holes, "oh look we anodized it brown, give us $340" pfft.

I could not agree more this is a ridiculous example of a mod that is so far over priced it is laughable. I also read somewhere that they stole the design concept from the makers of the versa ( not sure about details though) I would never pay for this. However pointing out one or two examples of crazy stupid prices does not knock down the argument one should buy any of the very reasonable mods made and available Authentic

 

[Kendogalopigus]

I could not agree more this is a ridiculous example of a mod that is so far over priced it is laughable. I also read somewhere that they stole the design concept from the makers of the versa ( not sure about details though) I would never pay for this. However pointing out one or two examples of crazy stupid prices does not knock down the argument one should buy any of the very reasonable mods made and available Authentic

i agree, but it does point out the reason people go for a clone over an authentic, they view it as a better use of their $$.

that's the reason i bought the Stingray X Clone, also the authentic was not made in black at the time but i still would not have payed $240 when i can save $200 of that for the exact same voltage drop and look, which i can agree with most here the logos probably shouldn't be used on authentic mods/atty's but then again is it my fault the modders didn't protect themselves or that the Gov makes it a challenge to do so?

 

[stevegmu]

Man that sounds like a freakin awesome hose! What is the application? Hydraulic line?

Just reading the description made me want to buy one. Without even having answers to my above questions.

That said, can I buy one from you???

I'm not sure what it is used for. It was from our industrial product line, so probably used on some piece of farming equipment or in manufacturing.
No, someone was actually selling left over lengths on eBay, was caught, fired and prosecuted.

It is an amazing hose and a nice deep blue color...

 

[jimbodaddy74]

...snip

In any case I do believe it is a valid way to drive a point home. It isn't a standalone argument.

Maurice

It would be valid if we were talking about threaded pipe(or any product) for the same purposes. However, we are discussing the use of a threaded pipe for the express purpose of producing a vapor for inhalation. Your false equivalency is flawed and has failed miserably. You can step away from the keyboard now.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I'm sure someone wants to vape a turd...just not me, at any price. If it were free I'd throw it away for fear I might see someone else vaping on that thing.

Maurice

 

[samcm010]

i agree, but it does point out the reason people go for a clone over an authentic, they view it as a better use of their $$.

that's the reason i bought the Stingray X Clone, also the authentic was not made in black at the time but i still would not have payed $240 when i can save $200 of that for the exact same voltage drop and look, which i can agree with most here the logos probably shouldn't be used on authentic mods/atty's but then again is it my fault the modders didn't protect themselves or that the Gov makes it a challenge to do so?

Its not your fault they did not protect themselves with a trademark or patent but it is your choice that you chose to buy a stolen logo. You did not have to spend $240 to get an authentic mod that performed just as well. You could have spent $100 many places to get something authentic that performed just as well.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'm sure someone wants to vape a turd...just not me, at any price. If it were free I'd throw it away for fear I might see someone else vaping on that thing.

Maurice

What? you dont recycle?

 

[samcm010]

and if you liked the design and logo so much you had to have that exact look then you should realize you like the design and look so much you should support the artist that created the look and design you like so much.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Heres another authentic that doesnt cost an arm and a leg... $65

 

[rondasherrill]

I could not agree more this is a ridiculous example of a mod that is so far over priced it is laughable. I also read somewhere that they stole the design concept from the makers of the versa ( not sure about details though) I would never pay for this. However pointing out one or two examples of crazy stupid prices does not knock down the argument one should buy any of the very reasonable mods made and available Authentic

That's a VERY different argument than it seems like it's been. It's been sounding like "buy an original always no matter what or else you suck on a basic human level". For instance... Are Caravela's(off the top of my head example) even available anymore? Lot's of people like the design, but if they aren't available, then the maker has gotten all their money for them, and clones are all that is available for others.

 

[nukleusx]

Then again, did you know that up to half of the Michelin tires sold in the US were actually made in China? China finally bought them out and became 'Double Coin'.. I hear Michelin is trying to renew ties with them to make more tires..

I know, French company, but most in the US think Michelin equals 'quality', so..

I actually do know that and only buy tires made in the US, Japan or Brazil...

Most people I know who take their vehicles off road often (or myself, who does not so much but trusts certain brands based on experience) trust tires from Japan and the US, in that order. Majority of these folk run Toyo tires, which are about as good as it gets. I myself run Yokohama tires, as my application isn't quite as demanding as the aforementioned people I know.

...i am considering the colonial mod from mad industries a nice authentic for less than $100, also considering a few others that are below $100.
but IMO $200 and up is just insane, again IMO.
does not mean i can't afford it, in my view it is just not worth the $$ tag to pay $240 for the authentic stingray when i get the exact same performance for $40.

You get what you pay for most certainly sums this up. I have held a colonial and almost purchased one, although it felt cheap [even as an authentic]. It is a good US made mod and it fills that void of low cost authentics for the market. Though something about the aluminum construction and light weight turned me off.

And like someone else said before (an anti-cloner), thank me for purchasing not just one, but three, authentic Stingrays, so that a cloner had something to copy the design of for you to buy.

I'm not sure what it is used for. It was from our industrial product line, so probably used on some piece of farming equipment or in manufacturing.
No, someone was actually selling left over lengths on eBay, was caught, fired and prosecuted.

It is an amazing hose and a nice deep blue color...

Well in that case, can you give it away, say, if I paid shipping? I am not one for hand-me-outs, though this would equate to you not selling it!

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

It would be valid if we were talking about threaded pipe(or any product) for the same purposes. However, we are discussing the use of a threaded pipe for the express purpose of producing a vapor for inhalation. Your false equivalency is flawed and has failed miserably. You can step away from the keyboard now.

LOL, no.

Maurice

 

[samcm010]

Heres another authentic that doesnt cost an arm and a leg... $65

Exactly there are so many examples of affordable authentic mods... the tired and wrong argument that I wont spend $200 on an authentic is so far removed from reality.I am selling an Authentic Chi for $70 right now and there are plenty of other authentic mods in the sub $100 price range both new and used everywhere. If you want to have something that performs really well you can get it for less than $100 all over the place and lest someone tell me they can buy a counterfeit that performs just as well for $20 if you do then I wish you well with that piece of s#$t it is most certainly not made of the same material and quality

 

[stevegmu]

Most people I know who take their vehicles off road often (or myself, who does not so much but trusts certain brands based on experience) trust tires from Japan and the US, in that order. Majority of these folk run Toyo tires, which are about as good as it gets. I myself run Yokohama tires, as my application isn't quite as demanding as the aforementioned people I know.



You get what you pay for most certainly sums this up. I have held a colonial and almost purchased one, although it felt cheap [even as an authentic]. It is a good US made mod and it fills that void of low cost authentics for the market. Though something about the aluminum construction and light weight turned me off.

And like someone else said before (an anti-cloner), thank me for purchasing not just one, but three, authentic Stingrays, so that a cloner had something to copy the design of for you to buy.



Well in that case, can you give it away, say, if I paid shipping? I am not one for hand-me-outs, though this would equate to you not selling it!

Nothing better for winter than a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks made in Japan..
We sign a disclaimer when we take scrap home stating it is for personal use only...

I can sell you one of these if you have $6 million-