Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[TheProphet]

Nope, the answer I'm looking for is consistency from pro-clone crowd.

You won't get it. There isn't one viewpoint among us, we each think for ourselves and have our own limits. Some are ok with logos, some are just ok with designs. We're not militantly organized like the anti-cloners.

Personally, I'll buy a clone that has a logo or 2, like the Angel of Death on the Nemesis. But I won't buy one with the companies name on it. Why? To me, the angel design is what made me want a nemmy in the first place, and it was a borrowed design as well, not something Atmomixani dreamt up. Would I buy a nemesis clone that had the Atmomixani logo on the switch? No. That is the brand name and it belongs to the company.

 

[jonathanxx]

All that i have apart from 2 igo authentic dripper is clones.
When I buy I base my choice on reviews mostly and price.
If I was rich I wouldn't mind spending 300$ for a mod but since I'm not I go with clones.

 

[Technonut]

 

[Bronze]

As I stated before, I have authentic Provaris and Kayfuns because I use them 90% of the time. I chose authentic for 2-1/2 reasons.

1) Authentic generally means better quality (and was true in my case), and
2) I felt it was only right the developer gets compensated for his work.
2-1/2) The first Kayfun I bought was at a time when no clones existed

I chose clones for one reason.

1) I rarely use my clones and cannot justify spending authentic prices on it. The developer did not lose a sale on me because I simply would not have bought from them at full price.



I sleep well.

 

[Marc411]

That's friggin cool!

 

[Jman8]

So now you are telling people that purchase clones what their rationale is and what they should say just so you can feel better about yourself.

They have answered your question, you just don't like the answer and I know because I've answered the question twice in this thread.

Interesting perspective.

You have not answered in this thread. If I ask you what color the sky is, and you proceed to tell me that the Cardinals beat the Cubs last night, then you can call that an answer and me not liking it, which is akin to what you are saying here.

If you believe you have answered it, link it. Until you do, I stand by claim that it has not been answered.

 

[Bronze]

That's friggin cool!

Drive me friggin' nuts! Gives me a bad case of eye twitch.

 

[Bronze]

You have not answered in this thread. If I ask you what color the sky is, and you proceed to tell me that the Cardinals beat the Cubs last night, then you can call that an answer and me not liking it, which is akin to what you are saying here.

If you believe you have answered it, link it. Until you do, I stand by claim that it has not been answered.

Except everyone knows the Cubs lost.

 

[Circa Survivor]

You have not answered in this thread. If I ask you what color the sky is, and you proceed to tell me that the Cardinals beat the Cubs last night, then you can call that an answer and me not liking it, which is akin to what you are saying here.

If you believe you have answered it, link it. Until you do, I stand by claim that it has not been answered.

What was the question again?

 

[Technonut]

Drive me friggin' nuts! Gives me a bad case of eye twitch.

Just like this topic does for me when it pops up...

 

[Jman8]

You won't get it. There isn't one viewpoint among us, we each think for ourselves and have our own limits. Some are ok with logos, some are just ok with designs. We're not militantly organized like the anti-cloners.

Personally, I'll buy a clone that has a logo or 2, like the Angel of Death on the Nemesis. But I won't buy one with the companies name on it. Why? To me, the angel design is what made me want a nemmy in the first place, and it was a borrowed design as well, not something Atmomixani dreamt up. Would I buy a nemesis clone that had the Atmomixani logo on the switch? No. That is the brand name and it belongs to the company.

This would be closest to an answer that I've seen. Was that so hard?

Of course the follow up question is what if the brand name doesn't belong to the company as it is or may be unregistered? Would that then be okay, for you personally (or any other pro-cloner) to have copy with originator's logo? Which is what I asked. Your answer is that it belongs to the company, but it may in fact not belong to the company and if it doesn't then that's what I am asking about, precisely.

 

[TheProphet]

This would be closest to an answer that I've seen. Was that so hard?

Of course the follow up question is what if the brand name doesn't belong to the company as it is or may be unregistered? Would that then be okay, for you personally (or any other pro-cloner) to have copy with originator's logo? Which is what I asked. Your answer is that it belongs to the company, but it may in fact not belong to the company and if it doesn't then that's what I am asking about, precisely.

Apparently my answer wasn't plain English enough for you. I cannot speak for other people who like clones, but I personally will not buy a clone that has the original manufacturers name on it. I will not by a Nemesis clone that says "Atmomixani", I will not buy a Manhattan clone that says "Amerivape". I will not buy an AR mod clone that says "TacMods". I will not buy a Hanaclone that says "Hana Modz".

 

[Circa Survivor]

This would be closest to an answer that I've seen. Was that so hard?

Of course the follow up question is what if the brand name doesn't belong to the company as it is or may be unregistered? Would that then be okay, for you personally (or any other pro-cloner) to have copy with originator's logo? Which is what I asked. Your answer is that it belongs to the company, but it may in fact not belong to the company and if it doesn't then that's what I am asking about, precisely.

I'm ok with a clone having every marking as the original. Doesn't bother me. All I care is that it functions the same and is a hell of a lot cheaper.

 

[vaptamist]

There is one right answer: "Nothing matters to me more than my dollar". Any other debate is irrelevant. If someone gives you other reasons they're either deluding themselves, or they are being dishonest.

Time to move on, this clone debate is played out - it never gets anywhere.

 

[snork]

There is one right answer: "Nothing matters to me more than my dollar". Any other debate is irrelevant. If someone gives you other reasons they're either deluding themselves, or they are being dishonest.

Time to move on, this clone debate is played out - it never gets anywhere.

I disagree. As new members pop in I think it's important that those who may have no idea that there *is* a debate have real information with which to operate.

 

[Kendogalopigus]

See, this would be example of barely addressing what I am asking for. And also leads to impression that 1:1 copying, including logo, is perfectly okay from pro-clone crowd, yet pro-clone people have tried to say imitating logo is not okay, without explaining why that is.

Non deceptive counterfeiting is still counterfeiting. And it is the reality we live in.

first off what one person says does not go for everyone that has bought or is ok with buying clones.

i have read every single post since i started this thread and yes it has been answered, at least once by me, where i gave my OPINION on it and screw it i guess ill say it one more time because you obviously did not and will not go back and read and are going to continue to berate until its answered... yet again..

my OPINION is that if there is no legal protection on the logo/design then it is the creators fault i am sure next time they will be smarter about it. when the clone and the authentic have the exact same voltage drop and look (cause the creator did not get legal protection) and is $200 cheaper, and again for i think the 4th time im using the stingray x as an example, i will take the $40 clone.

if you follow Vapingwithtwisted420 on facebook or youtube or what ever he measures the voltage drop on an authentic and clone stingray x, which you would have read about in the very first post if you actually went back and read it. why would someone pay $240 for something they can get for $40 that functions and looks exactly the same (because the creator did not get legal protection)?

and again this is my OPINION i do not speak for everyone or anyone that has or may buy a clone.

 

[vaptamist]

Fair enough, but I think there is more misinformation spouted off in these threads that actually ends up doing more harm than good. How is a new person going to know which is which? Or who actually know what they're talking about.

 

[Bronze]

There is one right answer: "Nothing matters to me more than my dollar". Any other debate is irrelevant. If someone gives you other reasons they're either deluding themselves, or they are being dishonest.

Time to move on, this clone debate is played out - it never gets anywhere.

Huh?

 

[Marc411]

You have not answered in this thread. If I ask you what color the sky is, and you proceed to tell me that the Cardinals beat the Cubs last night, then you can call that an answer and me not liking it, which is akin to what you are saying here.

If you believe you have answered it, link it. Until you do, I stand by claim that it has not been answered.

You're kind of an arrogant person.
It was this thread.
I did answer the question.
Go find it yourself since you made an incorrect statement that it wasn't answered.
And I could really care less what you stand by since it is an inaccurate claim and you are to lazy to find the answer yourself.

Fair enough, but I think there is more misinformation spouted off in these threads that actually ends up doing more harm than good. How is a new person going to know which is which? Or who actually know what they're talking about.

I would have to agree and it's happening on both sides of this conversation.

 

[classwife]

Chill