Authentic makers sueing Cloners?

[Midniteoyl]

Say Whaat? Oh my, such confusion over whether or not it's illegal to sell counterfeit goods. That is what I was referring to. I also never asked you a question. In fact, you asked me!

The only implication was this somewhat common phrase:

Ignorantia juris non excusat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One law is referenced here:

"The federal criminal laws that prohibit any person from trafficking in counterfeit goods and services apply not only to the counterfeiter—the law applies with equal force to any individual or company that knowingly sells a counterfeit product. (18 U.S.C. 2320). This law, known as the Trademark Counterfeiting Act of 1984, carries substantial monetary fines (up to $5 million) and prison time (up to 20 years imprisonment or in some cases life) for individuals and companies who violate the Act."

Above quoted from here: Did You Know It's Illegal to Sell Counterfeit Products - NAW Government Relations

Here's more: https://www.google.com/search?utm_source=b&utm_medium=&from=&uid=&q=Is+it+illegal+to+sell+counterfeit+goods&gws_rd=ssl

Geesh, I even posted a New York Times link that discussed the law and how it is being enforced in circumstances quite similar to the vaping industry. I actually thought it was an interesting read on the subject and quite appropriate. Oh well.

Did you read what you posted? Nothing to do with the individual sale of a trademarked good that you purchased and had no hand in making...

However, the WHOLE POINT of this thread is that they ARE NOT Trademarked, as of yet. Yes, as I have said before, Trademark can exist upon first use of the Mark, but you still have to prove you are the first one to use it and then have to register it. The only companies that will actually prevail in this 'law suit' are the ones who prepared ahead of time and actually registered their trademark. The rest are going to have to go through a lengthy and expensive court action just to prove they are the 'owners' of their mark.

Nearly nobody, including me, have or has condoned the selling of counterfeited goods. Just because I tried to actually bring a little law into the topic, from waaaay back doesnt mean I condone, or even own, a counterfeit.

Please though, feel free to comment again without actually reading my posts.

 

[Davey59]

Nope not gonna do it.

 

[Circa Survivor]

Nope not gonna do it.

Then...... don't?

 

[Midniteoyl]

Nope not gonna do it.

Oh c'mon.... I did it on purpose

 

[Ed_C]

Aren't you guys getting dizzy yet, with all this going around in circles?

 

[tearose50]

Did you read what you posted? Nothing to do with the individual sale of a trademarked good that you purchased and had no hand in making...

And, guess what. I never said it did! Never inferred it did!

However, the WHOLE POINT of this thread is that they ARE NOT Trademarked, as of yet. Yes, as I have said before, Trademark can exist upon first use of the Mark, but you still have to prove you are the first one to use it and then have to register it. The only companies that will actually prevail in this 'law suit' are the ones who prepared ahead of time and actually registered their trademark. The rest are going to have to go through a lengthy and expensive court action just to prove they are the 'owners' of their mark.

I have not commented on these valid points, partially because they were already stated. I do understand and pretty much agree that the data is correct. However, that WAS NOT in any way what I was communicating about and I believe you are aware of that, Mr. Oyl. It is not opinion that selling a counterfeit is against the law. That is what I have referred to over and over and over again.

Whatever else you may be thinking is only what you are thinking and is reading between the lines, where there is nothing but space.

Nearly nobody, including me, have or has condoned the selling of counterfeited goods. Just because I tried to actually bring a little law into the topic, from waaaay back doesnt mean I condone, or even own, a counterfeit.

I never suggested you did and don't think I've seen anyone else do so either.

Please though, feel free to comment again without actually reading my posts.

This sounds to me like the cat calling the kettle black, Mr. Oyl.

 

[JohnnyBGoode]

Aren't you guys getting dizzy yet, with all this going around in circles?

Lol was thinking the same. 115 pages on my mobile browser at least.

Do you actually think discussing this is going to convince somebody to either buy or not buy clones? Or you just like discussing things in general.
Glad to see you at least found something to replace the "you know, smoking is bad for you" discussion too.

Vaping is such a lifestyle thingy nowadays haha.

Did you see my iPhone 6 already? No sorry, I was checking your clone nemi...

 

[Davey59]

Then...... don't?

I did, but reconsidered. This thread is a prime example of shouldn't and not worth it.

On the other hand it's very entertaining, why else read 100+ pages? Wasn't there a guy today that won't read 100 posts .

I wonder if there are any authentic guys secretly cloning their own work

 

[Circa Survivor]

I did, but reconsidered. This thread is a prime example of shouldn't and not worth it.

On the other hand it's very entertaining, why else read 100+ pages? Wasn't there a guy today that won't read 100 posts .

I wonder if there are any authentic guys secretly cloning their own work

You know.... that wouldn't surprise me xD

 

[Jman8]

Aren't you guys getting dizzy yet, with all this going around in circles?

Is there a topic, on any subject, ever, that doesn't go around in circles?

 

[bluecat]

Aren't you guys getting dizzy yet, with all this going around in circles?

Nope. Some of us have better control than others.

I guess the new "cool" is trolling a thread to say the thread should be done. Kudos to you sir. I really do not think it is hard to ignore a thread. It must be harder for some than others.

You wittiness belies you.

 

[Ms82082]

Really if you think about.... The cure to cancer is much different than our vape device. Really a spring loaded switch... a tube... and a connection fitting. Sounds like a flashlight to me.

Sorry, I forgot about the logo.

I agree I think mag should get in on law suit Crap lol. In fact the first mod I made was using a metal flashlight tube and switch

 

[nukleusx]

How can one possibly be expected to blow clouds without a cheap mech clone and topper?...

Man, I blow clouds all day on fine authentic equipment. Quit being so elitist already.

Don't forget there are those of us feel a 200 price tag is "ripping off the consumer". I would not pay 200 bucks for a mechanical mod made out of steel regarding of grading. I do not see value in it at all. You can call me whatever you will like. It will still not change opinion. Some of us can afford the authentic at that price, but I will not set the cash out for it. I also will not research whatever product I am buying to see if the required patents, trademarks, copyrights or whatever were made. I make an educated purchase on almost anything I buy from 5 bucks to xxxxx bucks.

To me most of the logo and names are stupid. I have no better term for it than that.

Part of the reason I prefer copper mods: as a plumber, I work with copper pipe and fittings almost daily. Have for several years. All I do is pretty mundane and typically just work. The pipe and fittings I use are not cheap (compared to a mod, they are, though compared to other types of pipe they are at a premium), though I do not see my work as any kind of art. It is just a trade that I am trained in, that the good people of society need.

How this relates to mods, well, I see a design and I like it, and I think to myself "well, someone had to think that up, design it, and it is way more intricate and cool than any of the crap I ever use copper for".

Just my personal take/opinion/feelings on this subject, not trying to debate it. Just throwing in my .

 

[Circa Survivor]

Man, I blow clouds all day on fine authentic equipment. Quit being so elitist already.



Part of the reason I prefer copper mods: as a plumber, I work with copper pipe and fittings almost daily. Have for several years. All I do is pretty mundane and typically just work. The pipe and fittings I use are not cheap (compared to a mod, they are, though compared to other types of pipe they are at a premium), though I do not see my work as any kind of art. It is just a trade that I am trained in, that the good people of society need.

How this relates to mods, well, I see a design and I like it, and I think to myself "well, someone had to think that up, design it, and it is way more intricate and cool than any of the crap I ever use copper for".

Just my personal take/opinion/feelings on this subject, not trying to debate it. Just throwing in my .

Jeez, it seems like every ECF member is a plumber ¬_¬

 

[wonkeypickle]

Jeez, it seems like every ECF member is a plumber ¬_¬

lol, or a trucker, ex military, handy man, it's always something like that.

 

[Flt Simulation]

I think the majority of you folks look at vaping as some kind of hobby or lifestyle.

To me, vaping is just a means to keep me from smoking cigarettes.

And as long as I can buy a China clone that works just as good as an authentic, why would I spend upwards of 3-10 times as much for the authentic.


My mech mods are all clones. The only reason my RBA is authentic is just because the clone I had was a POS and I finally got fed-up and bought one that works without problems.
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However, I still don't have a lot of good things to say about the Chinese, but that's a different matter.

 

[twgbonehead]

I vape almost exclusively on my MVP's.

They are authentic.

They have never been cloned to the best of my knowledge.

They are complicated, and involved a lot of design work, and engineering.

My wife and daughter like the innokin VV V3. Also never cloned. Also well-designed.

So I almost exclusively vape on genuine equipment (although I do own some clones, and some home-made's). But I buy from a company that provides original engineering and design, and has the guts to go for it in a way that makes it an affordable (and therefore successful) product because they invested in it.

As for worrying about whether or not my kids will be able to live a profitable lifestyle, I've given up on that a long time ago. The government seems hell-bent on throwing them in the trash, and I'm too darn tired of fighting that battle. It's Darwin's turn.

 

[Ed_C]

Nope. Some of us have better control than others.

I guess the new "cool" is trolling a thread to say the thread should be done. Kudos to you sir. I really do not think it is hard to ignore a thread. It must be harder for some than others.

You wittiness belies you.

I have given my serious opinion on several occasions. I'm sorry if a little joke, as bad as it was, offends you.

 

[skoony]

I think the majority of you folks look at vaping as some kind of hobby or lifestyle.

To me, vaping is just a means to keep me from smoking cigarettes.

And as long as I can buy a China clone that works just as good as an authentic, why would I spend upwards of 3-10 times as much for the authentic.


My mech mods are all clones. The only reason my RBA is authentic is just because the clone I had was a POS and I finally got fed-up and bought one that works without problems.
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However, I still don't have a lot of good things to say about the Chinese, but that's a different matter.

because its illegal,immoral and not right.
if you can't afford the new Cadillac,buy the used Ford Taurus.
your situation in life has nothing to do with this.
regards
mike

 

[TheProphet]

Am I the only one who really doesn't care about what someone else thinks is "immoral" or "or right"? Last time I checked I was an adult and I can make my own choices. If you think I'm an immoral ..... for buying a clone, that's your issue, not mine. I'll continue to live a happy, smoke free life with my clone.