Average Lifespan Ego Batt?

[slappy]

Thanks for the replies! The reason I even asked is because I have two eGo batteries, the wife has one. And we only have one charger (the USB charger). I typically run both of mine down thru the day. Likewise she runs hers down. So come evening, we typically have 2 batteries needing charged, and we can't get both charged before bedtime. We didn't want to damage them by leaving them on a charger overnight.

Get ego pass-throughs, problem solved.... Uses USB to Mini USB connectors, I personally have noless than 6 of these cords from my PT egos and other devices. Add some USB wall warts, car chargers and computers and your charged indefinitely, or until your batt dies.

Vape on.

 

[Landrake]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but I have wondered about the ego passthrough and battery life. Isn't it constantly topping off while you use it which would lead to a more constant charging state and in turn lead to the deposit build up faster? Maybe 120 one-minute charges equals one two-hour charge with regard to deposit build up?

Thanks.

 

[burnsmary95]

Some batteries just fail, I have had a couple of Rivas die too early, due to poor quality control, but the ones I have been using for months are all still going just fine.

 

[Izatech]

I would advise a visit to the following site and learn about these batteries before offering up incorrect advice. Is lithium-ion the ideal battery?

This is nice? C'mon Zen... The only thing that could have been called incorrect in any of what I posted is the term "memory". OK, You are absolutely correct. In the Li-Ion the term is incorrect. That doesn't change the fact that the number of times it is connected to a charger will determine how long it will last. I was only offering practical advice to gain the longest useful life out of a battery in this application.

 

[JB Goode]

OK... rechargeable batteries basic, rule of thumb 101. Rechargeable batteries WILL develop a "memory" based on charge-discharge states. You can significantly reduce the useful charge life by "short charging". If you shorten the charge-discharge cycle by charging a partially charged battery or not allowing a battery to recharge fully before use. There are chargers that advertise they won't let this happen. In real world applications I find they reduce the damage but don't eliminate it. The best way to get the longest useful life from a rechargeable battery is to use it until it indicates a charge is required and then to fully charge it before reuse.

I agree with this. I can see that rechargeable batteries (like eGo 650mah) that are used for vaping are really the same type of rechargeale batteries that are used in point and shoot cameras except for the amount of power in them----eGo--650mah, size AA camera battery--2000mah. Camera manufactors specifically say not to use regular batteries. They also say that a rechargeable battery's juice should be completely exhausted before charging.Yes, rechargeable camera batteries are very expensive just like vape batteries are expensive. I have 8 rechargeable camera batteries, am constantly using them and haven't had to replace any for the last 6 yrs. AND yes, it takes a year and a day to charge up those camera batteries but to me, it's worth it especially because of price. With my eGos, I let them drain until the light starts blinking and I can't draw in on it anymore. And yes, it does take quite a while to charge them up but I haven't had any problems with my 2 eGo batteries ( so far) for the last 6 mts. So for me, I wouldn't change the way I do it.

 

[Zen~]

This is nice? C'mon Zen... The only thing that could have been called incorrect in any of what I posted is the term "memory". OK, You are absolutely correct. In the Li-Ion the term is incorrect. That doesn't change the fact that the number of times it is connected to a charger will determine how long it will last. I was only offering practical advice to gain the longest useful life out of a battery in this application.

It was only unpleasant if you decided to call it that. I didn't mean any disrespect at all in suggesting you get your facts straight before issuing incorrect rules of thumb lto folks looking for useful and correct information. It is what it is.

But beyond that, you're still not quite getting it, and I'll try to explain better. You just said "That doesn't change the fact that the number of times it is connected to a charger will determine how long it will last." and that's not at all correct. It's not the number of times at all that contributes to this problem...

Let me try to illustrate: 10 visits to the charger for 15 minutes each totals 150 minutes on charge. One visit to the charger for 3 hours = 180 minutes of charge... Under your guidance, a person could be led to think that the 10 charger visits was worse for the battery than the single long visit, and this is not the case. Total TIME of charging is what we're seeking here... not the number of charges.

This illustration is NOT a suggestion to sit with your batteries and put them on and off the charger... that would be silly to do, and with no real benefit. I made this comparison to show that total elapsed time is the issue, and frankly, there's nothing you can really do about it. The time it takes to charge the battery is a given based on the factors you cannot control.

So to correct your statement, it SHOULD read: "That doesn't change the fact that the number of times Number of Hours it is connected to a charger will determine how long it will last.

 

[Izatech]

OK.... I'll agree with that. I should probably explain that I run a large warehouse shop facility for a construction company. I deal with a lot of different types of batteries. We work on just about anything a corporation would use. From little bitty access buttons to earth moving equipment. I have around 150 Li-Ion batteries in use right now on cordless tools of varying types. Over the past couple of years I have tracked the performance characteristics. Please understand these aren't the ONLY Li-Ion in my service inventory, just the easiest to track.
I agree that everything you are saying is technically correct. I am saying that the batteries don't perform, in my world, the way the science world say's they should. Since implementing the general rule of thumb I outlined, I have lowered the overall Li-Ion replacement rate by almost 40%.

I suppose time will tell, in the case of my Ego, since I take my own advice.

 

[Izatech]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but I have wondered about the ego passthrough and battery life. Isn't it constantly topping off while you use it which would lead to a more constant charging state and in turn lead to the deposit build up faster? Maybe 120 one-minute charges equals one two-hour charge with regard to deposit build up?

Thanks.

I'm curious about this as well. Some of the cordless tools that use Li-Ion have come with a charger that have an option to "condition charge". I'm wondering if the pass through has a similar circuit integrated into it.

 

[LiquidLover]

Not sure if condition Charging would work with e-cig batts but its worth a try!!!

 

[Zen~]

You folks may find the following article useful, it answers a lot of these questions... I am not familiar with the circuit in an ego passthrough, because I avoid eGos like the plague... It's no secret that I think they basically fail compared to many alternatives, in spite of how popular they happen to be.

How to prolong lithium-based batteries

 

[slappy]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but I have wondered about the ego passthrough and battery life. Isn't it constantly topping off while you use it which would lead to a more constant charging state and in turn lead to the deposit build up faster? Maybe 120 one-minute charges equals one two-hour charge with regard to deposit build up?

Thanks.

Possibly, I'm not as educated on the subject as others here. However, I will add I only pass through when I'm low and don't have my other batt in hand or charged. That being MAYBE 10% split between my two PT's.

 

[slappy]

...because I avoid eGos like the plague... It's no secret that I think they basically fail compared to many alternatives, in spite of how popular they happen to be.

I am genuinely curious of the alternatives. I haven't really looked around all that much since my egos work so well. Are there other batts, within the same price range that you consider better than egos?

 

[mwa102464]

hahah can you say AW IMR they rule and so do the newer Redilast Batts but the good ole IMR is my go to

 

[Zen~]

I am genuinely curious of the alternatives. I haven't really looked around all that much since my egos work so well. Are there other batts, within the same price range that you consider better than egos?

An eGo battery is ACTUALLY pretty expensive for what it is, because you're buying a disposible PV with it. A 14500 battery at 800 mAh is under 5 bucks... but you'll need a PV to stick it in, but it will perform better, longer, and less expensively over time... at 300 charges the eGo battery is spent... cost to replace is 15-22 bucks... a 14500 with the same number of charges is $4.88... let's rack up the savings!

And I see people with a half dozen eGo batteries... even more!

For LESS money they could own a Variable Voltage device with MANY spare batteries.

Yes, the eGo is a pretty low price entry point into "higher" current vaping... but if you continue to vape beyond the death of your first eGo, or if you buy MANY so you have backups and spares, then you have overspent on the performance.

To me eGo = exceptionally bad value. I HATE throwing money away!

 

[Rosa]

I am genuinely curious of the alternatives. I haven't really looked around all that much since my egos work so well. Are there other batts, within the same price range that you consider better than egos?

There are a TON of other options... bigger, smaller, better performing, digital, make-yer-own, it's almost like when personal computers first were being built; there are thousands of hobbyists out in their garages creating the e-cigs of the future. The really good ones find a market and many would put the eGo to shame.

I always recommend the eGo for a new vaper anyway for several reasons outlined in another post, but here's the abridged version:

• everyone needs a back up PV, just in case, anyway - even if you end up with a mod later.
• eGo is easy to learn on and everyone here will be able to help you with questions you have.
• you can buy one at almost any vendor.

 

[rayneinspain]

So I just started vaping and I read all these specs on the Ego so I bought one. What's the average lifespan of the ego batt. from members? Are you all really getting 300 charges on these bad boys before they're dead?

I'm still using the original three I started with in July '10. I've never had one fail.

 

[Zen~]

I'm still using the original three I started with in July '10. I've never had one fail.

Considering on average, people charge each one 1 time per day, or less... it should last at least 300 days... if you've been rotating them, you have quite a while to go before a battery has lost capacity to be used.

 

[Smislow]

They rate those batteries at 300+ cycles. That is same vith all Li-ion batteries. And that ours Li-ion batts don't have that "memory efect" like NiMH batts previosly used in cellphones. That memory efect was like if you discharge it partially, and charge it, then batt loses its capacity, "remembers" how much is stored last time in it.
With our Li-ion batts it's even better to charge it when it is at about 40% capacity, but it is not important.
You either get good battery which wil go way beyond rated 300+ charge cycles, or you get a bummer which will die soon, one can never know (China quality controll).

 

[Camelot_One]

I have 2 eGo kit batteries that I swap them out each morning, one in use, one charging on the PC. I've had them both since July 2010. One of them died last week, but the other is still going strong. The one that died didn't show any early signs of failure, one day it just stopped. But I use low resistance atomizers, which I've read plays hell on batteries.

 

[slappy]

An eGo battery is ACTUALLY pretty expensive for what it is, because you're buying a disposible PV with it. A 14500 battery at 800 mAh is under 5 bucks... but you'll need a PV to stick it in, but it will perform better, longer, and less expensively over time... at 300 charges the eGo battery is spent... cost to replace is 15-22 bucks... a 14500 with the same number of charges is $4.88... let's rack up the savings!

And I see people with a half dozen eGo batteries... even more!

For LESS money they could own a Variable Voltage device with MANY spare batteries.

Yes, the eGo is a pretty low price entry point into "higher" current vaping... but if you continue to vape beyond the death of your first eGo, or if you buy MANY so you have backups and spares, then you have overspent on the performance.

To me eGo = exceptionally bad value. I HATE throwing money away!

I see, so your train of thought is shear value over time... makes sense. If two egos last me a year, that $40 a year. Not bad considering analog cost. By your point I could have a mod + batteries last quit a bit longer with less "annual" expense.

I agree my egos are "starters". But then I didn't start on and ego but 510 mini's or whatever they are called. I think the upfront cost is where there is trouble. Anyway, I've taken this far outside the topic at hand. Thanks Zen for the perspective, I look forward to shopping for the next toy.