Mail, you are talking to a wall, you drive yourself berserk in the vain attempt to get the wall to understand.
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Mail, you are talking to a wall, you drive yourself berserk in the vain attempt to get the wall to understand.
Hit a wall with sledge hammer enough times and it crumbles. I've had enough of his ad hominem attacks.
I find it amusing that the same crying about additives doesn't seem to extend that to Dr. F. found 70% of the eliquids he tested from vendors to contain diketones, and that diketones and acetyl proprianol is an avoidable risk .....yet the custard vapes are *flying* off the shelves according to posts I read on ECF.
Can't seem to inhale it enough.People who live in glass houses....
You guys can go ahead and make up the *sinister* BT plans to market small batts with refilled cartridges.......but this forum doesn't reflect real world practices....you seem to be missing the fact that a lot of people WANT THIS FORM FACTOR.
(not to mention huge corporations are going to go with things that can be mass marketed, that has the least liability to them, and can be easily stocked *everywhere*. Unlike custom shops like REO or PRovape who are cateriing to an actually *smallish* group of vapers. Corporations are not going to sell 30amp type batts and 100 watt mods.....to the general public!)
Hobbyists on ECF constantly miss this point. Go out there and see what the most profitable ecigs are......simple ego style batts and small factor ecigs. That is the bread and butter of the industry, and those who are jetisoning them will find out that they made an error, unless they only want to sell to hobbyists on internet vaping forums.
There's a whole world out there, people....only a very small % of people wanting to quit smoking will *ever* go to a vaping forum.
I am coming to resent the snobby attitude of vaping hobbyists because they seem to have lost the whole point of vaping:
TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE CIGARETTES SO THEY HAVE MORE CHANCE TO LIVE.
Too bad this message, which was very popular when I started vaping in 2012, has been completely lost by so many. It doesn't matter how they get off cigs......if you care about people then you want them to quit, it's very simple.
I don't care if they use disposables, 90mah ecigs, SNUS, the patch, nic lozenges, egos, dual batt mods or anything else. Just as long as they have an ALTERNATIVE to cigarettes and can practice some form of harm reduction.
Splitting the cause into groups like I've seen lately and saying one isn't okay but the other isnt' just shows the same kind of prejudice ya'll complain about that you get from people against smoking and vaping. Vapers here in posts are coming out against disposables, against vendors who sell vaporizers for other purposes, etc. against B&Ms....
It's really getting annoying.......because its hypocritical.
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I'm waiting for ProVape to come out with a cigalike and tiny tank. That would be sweet...
The only problem I have with disposables is trash build up. as far as im concerned use what works for you. however I do have an issue with BT sold disposables. these are companies we really should not be promoting.I find it amusing that the same crying about additives doesn't seem to extend that to Dr. F. found 70% of the eliquids he tested from vendors to contain diketones, and that diketones and acetyl proprianol is an avoidable risk .....yet the custard vapes are *flying* off the shelves according to posts I read on ECF.
People who live in glass houses....
You guys can go ahead and make up the *sinister* BT plans to market small batts with refilled cartridges.......but this forum doesn't reflect real world practices....you seem to be missing the fact that a lot of people WANT THIS FORM FACTOR.
Hobbyists on ECF constantly miss this point. Go out there and see what the most profitable ecigs are......simple ego style batts and small factor ecigs. That is the bread and butter of the industry, and those who are jetisoning them will find out that they made an error, unless they only want to sell to hobbyists on internet vaping forums.
There's a whole world out there, people....only a very small % of people wanting to quit smoking will *ever* go to a vaping forum.
I am coming to resent the snobby attitude of vaping hobbyists because they seem to have lost the whole point of vaping:
TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE CIGARETTES SO THEY HAVE MORE CHANCE TO LIVE.
Too bad this message, which was very popular when I started vaping in 2012, has been completely lost by so many. It doesn't matter how they get off cigs......if you care about people then you want them to quit, it's very simple.
I don't care if they use disposables, 90mah ecigs, SNUS, the patch, nic lozenges, egos, dual batt mods or anything else. Just as long as they have an ALTERNATIVE to cigarettes and can practice some form of harm reduction.
Splitting the cause into groups like I've seen lately and saying one isn't okay but the other isnt' just shows the same kind of prejudice ya'll complain about that you get from people against smoking and vaping. Vapers here in posts are coming out against disposables, against vendors who sell vaporizers for other purposes, etc. against B&Ms....
It's really getting annoying.......because its hypocritical.
Mail, we have the ignore feature here. I suggest you use it if certain people upset you so much.
I've put several people on ignore and I no longer have to read their posts.
This assumes, of course, that you actually WANT to avoid confrontation and stress from certain members with whom you have a history of not getting along with.
We ALL have those. That is what ignore is for. You are making this into a very personal thing just like you did with the B&M that wouldn't tell you on the phone what batteries they had......and then you filed negatives on them in retribution.
Participating on forums REQURES a certain amount of bullet-proof emotional makeup. Some people are not cut out for forums, because people ARE going to say stuff that is upsetting.
The point is to keep things in perspective. It's just their opinion. And you have yours. Everyone posts freely and as long as there is no name-calling it usually works out just fine.
Many of us here vehemently disagree with each other, much times over the years.......yet we are in a sense, sort of "buddies" because we respect where the other person is coming from, even though it goes against what we think or feel.
That is the give and take required to participate here, IMHO.
I actually got one of these with a free coupon before I got any of my vape gear. It got me interested in alternatives. Now I just use it to test new juices. Broke it down, took out the filler, cleaned it out, replaced with cotton, voila.. waste not, want not
Mail, we have the ignore feature here. I suggest you use it if certain people upset you so much.
I've put several people on ignore and I no longer have to read their posts.
This assumes, of course, that you actually WANT to avoid confrontation and stress from certain members with whom you have a history of not getting along with.
We ALL have those. That is what ignore is for. You are making this into a very personal thing just like you did with the B&M that wouldn't tell you on the phone what batteries they had......and then you filed negatives on them in retribution.
Participating on forums REQURES a certain amount of bullet-proof emotional makeup. Some people are not cut out for forums, because people ARE going to say stuff that is upsetting.
The point is to keep things in perspective. It's just their opinion. And you have yours. Everyone posts freely and as long as there is no name-calling it usually works out just fine.
Many of us here vehemently disagree with each other, much times over the years.......yet we are in a sense, sort of "buddies" because we respect where the other person is coming from, even though it goes against what we think or feel.
That is the give and take required to participate here, IMHO.
I actually had no idea we have an ignore feature. and no this is not personal, he insults anyone and everyone that does not agree with him, this is not ok. How am I supposed to not come to the defense of other people when they are treated this way?
and for the record no, I will not put him on ignore. I'm hoping one day to actually agree with him on something and I don't want too miss it. The only thing I'm trying to get through to him is that once he stops insulting people and actually provides posts with substance we can play nice.
when was this? Ive received a few coupons for them but never for the device, just the cartridges
I started a topic about that here: they are recyleable:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-community-please-recycle-your-batteries.html
I work in a battery store man, I recycle these all the time. its the cartridges that concern me not the batteries
if they send me more Ill mail them to you if you want. the last one I got was good for a free 10 pack of cartridges.Maybe we can trade coupons.
How is that different from tossing away big clearomizers like people use on their big batts? And all those coils.....BVCs, Nautiluses, Evods, Protanks, etc.
Not to mention all the empty ejuice bottles.
How is that different from tossing away big clearomizers like people use on their big batts? And all those coils.....BVCs, Nautiluses, Evods, Protanks, etc.
Not to mention all the empty ejuice bottles.
because those cartridges only last maybe a day or two, while tanks can work for a long time, I still have my mini pro tank from a year ago and it still works. not to mention those kanger atomizers can be rebuild so you dont have to throw those away. I still have all the heads that came with my first set up, all cleaned and rebuild in case of new vaper of device failure.
EDIT as for the bottles, well I try and keep as many as possible so I can give friends juice when I make big batches, but once I give the bottle away I consider my duty done. its up to the user to recycle, I try my best
Exactly what they did and still do ... BT just paid cash to have it allowed.
Round 2 or the sequel is about to happen with eCigs
Exactly what they did and still do ... BT just paid cash to have it allowed.
Round 2 or the sequel is about to happen with eCigs
You are referring to diketones which some nefarious vendors add for flavor?
You'd think at some point people would take responsibility for their choice to smoke cigarettes...
How people use a PV is also important. A lot of folks on ECF vape way more than they originally smoked. Some people who switch to vaping vape like they smoked, 5 minutes at a time once or twice an hour. Nicotine can be quite important in the beginning, specially for TH.
I have though wondered if this scenario might make it harder for users to wean off nic and TH and then off of vaping. It may well be better to vape different gear to make it easier for people who want to go this route.
I really enjoy messing around with complicated gear, making coils and wicks and now mixing juice. I think you are right that this would just seem like a PITA to a lot of people, maybe to most current smokers. There's a need for a system where you don't have to mess with complicated gadgets and get juice on your fingers. Something you can just pull out of your pocket and suck on.
On the other hand this can be true, and it can also be true that BT are cynical and capable of almost any form of bad behavior.
Another thing to consider is that a lot of people, including myself, tried cigalikes and they weren't enough to get off cigarettes. Many on this board had this experience. I know quite a few who tried them and went back to cigarettes. I've also seen reports that the success rate is significantly higher with Evods than cigalikes, and higher again with more sophisticated systems.
I'm sure BT are capable of producing a closed cartridge system effective enough to work for many people, at an affordable price. I also think the only situation where they would do that is if the form of vaping I like continues to be available and goes on eating into their profits, and their attempts to manipulate the politics fail. Their current offerings seem to be either weak and ineffective, or absurdly overpriced. Why would we expect them to develop and sell something that would undercut their main product, and not make them very much money?
I don't think BT wants their customers to quit smoking in favor of cigalikes; they want dual users, but many people do have the willpower and drive to quit with cigalikes. Those people don't vape or smoke anymore. I see them as a dual user device and a quit altogether aid...
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