Avoid Mark 10's, No Matter What.

[WillyZee]

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There are quit different levels of stupidity.

lol ... ain't that the truth.

 

[Mailablemage]

They are smart enough to know vapers will just buy from offshore if they impose such a high tax. No point in a tax so high it is never collected...

I'd buy some Camel e-juice, though...

that and thee DIY groups will totally undermine a lot of attempts to tax.

 

[stevegmu]

I can't believe I'm the only one who clicked "like" on this post. He's getting attacked from all sides, and he posts this. It's funny..it's cute...it's grammatically correct...it's just awesome. No love for Steve? No fair. This place wouldn't be the same without him. I, for one, love when Steve comes into a thread...I may not always agree with him, but I like him.

I have two girlfriends and many others. Nothing bothers me...

 

[Racehorse]

my point being ... eLiquid is about to triple in price ... and worse, BT eLiquid is likely to have added addictive FDA approved properties in it.

you mean like "custardy" ingredients (acetyl proprianol) or stuff you probably shouldn't vape like the bottle of ejuice I got with the titanium dioxide in it? And other unknowns like butryric acid, etc. And it's become "okay" to say well vaping isn't risk free, vaping isn't necessarily safe, if you want safe then don't vape?

This idea that *only* BT is out to get our money is, in 2015, a bit naive.

As long as BT doesn't say their product is 99% safe, then what is the problem?

 

[WillyZee]

to be honest with you ... I think BT may $ucceed in convincing the FDA, $15 packs of tamper proof cigalikes are the only safe viable approved vaping to be allowed.

I think it's possible, open liquid nicotine could be banned (they don't have to ban the gear if there's nothing to put in it) ... BG will be quite tax content if BT controlled the market on all the smokers and the majority of vapers.

Looks like we're going to find out the path vaping is headed on soon.

 

[HauntedMyst]

even at $60 a carton ... how much you figure is tax?

my point being ... eLiquid is about to triple in price ... and worse, BT eLiquid is likely to have added addictive FDA approved properties in it.

I have to imagine it's at about 1/2 taxes given what they charge in other states. I don't doubt the added additives in BT eLiquid.

 

[HazyShades]

Honestly, I don't even know how to classify a lot of you people who just mindlessly hate tobacco companies after being their customers for (in many cases) so many decades. They're businesses absolutely no different than any vaping company, any drug company, any too maker. They make a product, they sell it, they lobby the government to further their aims....
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Not only what you said but..tobacco companies are getting shafted also.
Many hard core anti tobacco vapers don't consider that when indulging
rhetoric condemning tobacco companies.

Nobody put a gun to my head to make me buy my first pack of smokes
or any other pack or pouch I may have spent my money on thereafter.
Perhaps my habit was influenced by good advertizing, perhaps not.
I know however how much a pack of Marleys costs in Colombia and what it costs here
and the BIG difference is TAXES.

In Florida alone that's 60% wholesale 25% retail.
They're getting ready to apply that to ecig juice and delivery devices.
No idea what Federal Tax is on tobacco but soon they'll be hitching their donkey to the vaper's cart too.

The point is that everybody, big and small tobacco, ecig juice and vapers, heck whole milk dairy farmers
and organic veggie club farmers, everybody is getting the big time shaft.

It's not woe is me the vaper it's woe is us all

Regards,
Hazy

 

[blivey]

when was this? Ive received a few coupons for them but never for the device, just the cartridges

This was a few months ago. I got a coupon for the device. Then a few weeks later they sent me a coupon for the refills. Now I get a refill coupon about once a month.

 

[jseah]

I have to imagine it's at about 1/2 taxes given what they charge in other states. I don't doubt the added additives in BT eLiquid.

NY has the highest tobacco taxes in the country. And NYC tacks on it's own tobacco taxes. So while a pack of cigs in NY but outside NYC will run you about $9.50 to $10, that same pack in NYC will run you around $12 to $13.

 

[jseah]

No idea what Federal Tax is on tobacco but soon they'll be hitching their donkey to the vaper's cart too.

The current federal excise tax on each pack of cigarettes is $1.01. Where I live, NY state imposes an excise tax equal to 75 percent of the wholesale price, which equals $4.35. NYC imposes an excise tax of $1.50 per pack.

 

[HazyShades]

The current federal excise tax on each pack of cigarettes is $1.01. Where I live, NY state imposes an excise tax equal to 75 percent of the wholesale price, which equals $4.35. NYC imposes an excise tax of $1.50 per pack.

Thanks. Consider the Tax in Florida. 60% wholesale which of course gets passed on to us, plus 25% retail.
Of course nobody except a couple of juice manufacturers does it for the love of juice or tobacco.
Do we need to pay more in taxes than the people in the business profit from their business?

What exactly is it that the gub'min entities contribute to the process?
The FDA takes forever to determine whether something is safe for us..I'd personally prefer it they let me find out on my own.
I'll do that much quicker.
While they're ambivaleting 'cause they don't know just how to tax symvisc and stem cell therapy
my old lady has to either get her knees replaced or go outside
the country where the governments don't "protect" the citizens to the detriment of their health or wallets.

I just don't see how the tobacco tax in NY, Florida, or the Fed excise is helping anybody find a cure for cancer
or keeping anybody who wants to smoke from doing so, not that it's anybody's concern.
I don't see how taxing juice is going to help anybody either...Guess it'll help them arm and train some more SWAT Teams..
so they can enforce their desire to help me...at gun point

Regards,
Hazy

 

[jseah]

The issue is that the government justifies the high "sin" taxes because they say that the money collected is used for "education" and to pay for the subsequent health costs that comes later due to the bad behavior. The problem with that argument is that the government isn't setting the money aside for that.......they're using the money to pay for their day to day expenses. So naturally if the number of people smoking goes down, their tax revenues go down and they end up running into deficits. While the federal government allows itself to operate at a deficit, most, if not all, state and local governments are required by law to have a balanced budget. So to make up for the shortfall, they raise taxes further.

 

[caramel]

The issue is that the government justifies the high "sin" taxes because they say that the money collected is used for "education" and to pay for the subsequent health costs that comes later due to the bad behavior. The problem with that argument is that the government isn't setting the money aside for that......[...]

The problem with that is that in US healthcare is largely a for profit private affair. They borrowed the argument from states that have universal healthcare, conveniently forgetting that it's not exactly what they're doing.