[B]Tip to vape store owners!! [/B]

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peterforpats

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Disagreed. The onus isn't on the customer to volunteer himself for a potentially confrontational conversation. Although I'm sure all of us, as vapers, would like to see B&Ms succeed, each individual must pick his own battles on a day-to-day basis.

When a store makes a bad impression, like it not, most customers just leave without saying anything. No muss, no fuss, no outward effort to hurt anyone's feelings -- it just isn't worth the time and energy to stir up the drama. If you think it's more honorable to open your mouth every time you're dissatisfied, then have at it; more power to you, but it just isn't realistic to apply the same standard to everyone.

So when you complain to a poorly run business, you're actually doing them a favor. Sometimes, they don't deserve that favor, or maybe you don't have time to do it for them on any given day.

That said, I tend to think that many customers have unrealistic expectations. Whether they realize it or not, those customers are doomed to perpetual dissatisfaction and a lifetime of needless and fruitless effort spent either arguing or searching for better alternatives. There is definitely a middle ground. I usually err on the side of the vendor/employee, but then I'm pretty easy to please. Mileage will vary.

right by all means ignore it and the problem will go away. if you see a spill in the aisle of a grocery store do you ignore it or let someone know? isn't it amazing that everyone knows how it should be done but only tell each other and not the actual people who could improve it. you know what they say, those that can do, those that can't vent on forums.......
 

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right by all means ignore it and the problem will go away. if you see a spill in the aisle of a grocery store do you ignore it or let someone know? isn't it amazing that everyone knows how it should be done but only tell each other and not the actual people who could improve it. you know what they say, those that can do, those that can't vent on forums.......

Heh, actually that's precisely the point: it isn't my problem if the proprietor of a retail business isn't running it correctly. The world's full of problems. I can't take responsibility for all of them.

Your idealism is laudable, but impractical.
 

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yeah, so by all means run home to the computer and write it up in a forum. a little passive/aggressive are we?. why not say something why you are in the store? or is this way much easier and makes you feel better? how do you even know if any store owner will see this post and because you conveniently omitted names, how would they know it was there store anyway? sorry, the time to criticize or critique is when you were there.

if I go in a store and they don't seem interested in helping me I doubt they will care if I complain about it. if they can't bother waiting on me, I can't be bothered to help them improve their business. I will just leave and not come back and tell others if I feel like it <shrug>
a spill in a store is quite a different story in my opinion...........
 

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yeah, so by all means run home to the computer and write it up in a forum. a little passive/aggressive are we?. why not say something why you are in the store? or is this way much easier and makes you feel better?

Yes, it does make me feel much better. Thanks for asking!

how do you even know if any store owner will see this post and because you conveniently omitted names, how would they know it was there store anyway? sorry, the time to criticize or critique is when you were there.

I don't know if a store owner will see it or not. If they do, that's great. If they don't then, oh well.... Is that passive aggressive or total indifference?

My intention was not to publicly trash anyone's business over a single visit to a store therefore I omitted business names on purpose. Could be any number of reason's that I got the service I received. Maybe it was an anomaly maybe its the norm. How they want to run their business is up to them. For instance if I don't like a restaurant, I just don't go back there. I don't throw a pissy fit and make sure everyone in the building at the time knows about it.

Either way I will critique by taking my money elsewhere in the future, they aren't the only options. You only get one chance to make a first impression, make the best of it.
 

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right by all means ignore it and the problem will go away. if you see a spill in the aisle of a grocery store do you ignore it or let someone know? isn't it amazing that everyone knows how it should be done but only tell each other and not the actual people who could improve it. you know what they say, those that can do, those that can't vent on forums.......

I was in retail a long time. I was told this a long time ago and its stuck with me ever since and I believe it to be true.

A satisfied customer will tell the next person he see's. An unsatisfied customer tells EVERYONE he see's.
 

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Reminded me of the snooty record store employees back in the 70's.

For all you younguns out there, a record store was where we used to have go to buy music, mostly vinyl, but they sometimes had 8 tracks or cassette tapes too. You'll have to Google 8 tracks....
Anyway, the people that worked in these record stores generally had their heads up their a$$es if you weren't buying what they were into or were recommending. Whatever it was you were buying was already old news to them.

omgosh,,,,,,,,,BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!!!!! :shock:
 

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There was actually a FOUR-TRACK tape player that played endless-loop tapes like the 8-track....but about half the size....
I had a "deck" -- in a HARDWOOD CASE -- as part of my "stereo" system!!!
I may even still have the tapes...I think only TWO were ever made...
Beach Boys - Greatest Hits...and....CONNIE FRANCIS!!!!:D
(CAUTION!! Anyone says "WHO????!" -- gets NO dessert!!;))
 
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For example, regarding your last line "If they won't let you taste you may as well go online.", how many people would go there to try juices and just walk away and order what they liked online anyway? IE just use them for tests and samples?

MBV tobacco flavors tastes NOTHING like ECBlends tobacco flavors. No point in tasting MBV and liking it and then ordering a stockpile of ECBlends with the same name and expecting it to taste exactly the same as the MBV.

Same with their simple fruit flavors. I've ordered similar flavors from both companies and received totally contrasting products. I've got a dozen or so bottles from several retailers "steeping" in the cabinet hoping they will eventually taste like what I ordered.

I also believe that if a retailer is blending and selling their own juice line and they cannot afford to allow in store tasting then they are doing it all wrong.
 

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There was actually a FOUR-TRACK tape player that played endless-loop tapes like the 8-track....but about half the size....
I had a "deck" -- in a HARDWOOD CASE -- as part of my "stereo" system!!!
I may even still have the tapes...I think only TWO were ever made...
Beach Boys - Greatest Hits...and....CONNIE FRANCIS!!!!:D
(CAUTION!! Anyone says "WHO????!" -- gets NO DESSERT!!;))

I had one but no tapes. It was stock in a VW Kharman Ghia but by the time I got hold of it that format had died. I yanked it and installed the obligatory Craig 8 track with coaxial speakers.
 

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yeah, so by all means run home to the computer and write it up in a forum. a little passive/aggressive are we?. why not say something why you are in the store? or is this way much easier and makes you feel better? how do you even know if any store owner will see this post and because you conveniently omitted names, how would they know it was there store anyway? sorry, the time to criticize or critique is when you were there.

I'd be highly surprised if B&M vapor stores weren't aware of and participating on this site, and honestly, it's good advice for every store owner and would make them all think to look harder at their own stores to make sure this sort of thing isn't happening there.
 

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The members of ECF make up the minority of most vapers. We're a little more vocal and obsessive about it, so we as posters tend to think all vapers possess the knowledge or experience we do because of ECF. I've met many vapers who absolutely REFUSE to do anything remotely resembling research on a computer, much less actively participate in an online discussion forum.
 

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The members of ECF make up the minority of most vapers. We're a little more vocal and obsessive about it, so we as posters tend to think all vapers possess the knowledge or experience we do because of ECF. I've met many vapers who absolutely REFUSE to do anything remotely resembling research on a computer, much less actively participate in an online discussion forum.


Almost anything you Google pertaining to vaping brings this site up. It would be highly difficult to miss.
 

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I feel pretty lucky. The local B&M near me is the best I have found in the area, and living in the DFW metroplex there is a lot of B&m's. Well informed, very helpful, great selection. The owner is the staff, and this is what makes the difference in my opinion. He started vaping and decided to open a shop. Takes time to explain how things work, has 120 flavors of juice to sample at your leisure. No pressure for you to make a purchase, but full support if you decide to.

Dan

what shops have you gone too out here.
 

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Aaaahhhhhhhh. No.


Lets just hope that was an anomaly and not a regular thing. Kids and vape shops shouldn't mix.

You're not one of the types who reported a local bartender for child abuse because their kids stopped in at the bar after school so they weren't home alone were you?
Welcome to the world of both parents working and not all jobs paying enough to hire help. I doubt if an ecig store pays enough to hire a daily baby sitter.
 

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yeah, so by all means run home to the computer and write it up in a forum. a little passive/aggressive are we?. why not say something why you are in the store? or is this way much easier and makes you feel better? how do you even know if any store owner will see this post and because you conveniently omitted names, how would they know it was there store anyway? sorry, the time to criticize or critique is when you were there.

When I go into vape shops I'm usually dressed nice. Kids today assume I'm not there as a vaper and I'm there "checking them out" in some official capacity. Sometimes I don't get a lot of love there.

I'm here to buy your products, not to consult and improve your business.
 
Dear Vape Store Owner (in NW Arkansas): Please don't allow your employees to drop the f-bomb in front of customers repeatedly. Even if it isn't in anger, it is still offensive, especially to a mother who had her 13 and 15 year old daughters with her. I would have purchased a mini-protank, 2 extra 18650 batteries for my Vamo and a package of 2.5 ohm wicks. I'm guessing you lost about $50.00 in business and your employee probably didn't even notice me walking in, standing there for about 2 minutes and then walking out (after the 5th or 6th bomb drop). Thankfully my dad vapes and I was able to borrow a tank from him until I was able to go to my usual Vape Store (they are closed on Sundays) the next day and hand them my money as they were treating me like the awesome and loyal customer of theirs I will forever now be.
 
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