No, I don't report people. But I'm not one to hang around bars that have kids in them either.
[B]Tip to vape store owners!! [/B]
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No, I don't report people. But I'm not one to hang around bars that have kids in them either.
The behaviour of staff in any business is important. IMO more important in a sales environment. Let me illustrate with something from my past.
Back in the early 90s the hubby convinced me to get a Mac computer instead of another PC to replace my ancient Tandy 1000RL machine. There happened to be a pair of stores that carried Mac products in the town we lived in.
We started at the largest one thinking I might be able to put my hands on and try several macs in the store. It 20 30 minutes to be waited on so I wandered around the store looking at all the display models set up. If I even looked like I was going to touch one I got dirty looks from the staff. FInally someone came to talk to me. He never once listened to my requirements of what a machine should be able to do and what I wanted to use it for. In fact he would not talk to ME at all. He would only speak to my husband (this was in Texas not some country where it is inappropriate for women to speak). If I asked a question it went ignored until my husband asked it for me. I was livid.
We went to the other store and I spent about $4000 between the machine, monitor, accessories and software. I had to wait 2 weeks because the machine had to be ordered but who cared about that these people at the 2nd store answered every question, treated me with respect, and let me take as long as I wished to test drive the machines.
Now I know that story is not about vaping but the upshot of it is the same. Bad service = lost sales and you never know when that lady in ratty jeans and tshirt isn't ready to drop a ton of cash.
Back in the early 90s the hubby convinced me to get a Mac computer instead of another PC to replace my ancient Tandy 1000RL machine. There happened to be a pair of stores that carried Mac products in the town we lived in.
We started at the largest one thinking I might be able to put my hands on and try several macs in the store. It 20 30 minutes to be waited on so I wandered around the store looking at all the display models set up. If I even looked like I was going to touch one I got dirty looks from the staff. FInally someone came to talk to me. He never once listened to my requirements of what a machine should be able to do and what I wanted to use it for. In fact he would not talk to ME at all. He would only speak to my husband (this was in Texas not some country where it is inappropriate for women to speak). If I asked a question it went ignored until my husband asked it for me. I was livid.
We went to the other store and I spent about $4000 between the machine, monitor, accessories and software. I had to wait 2 weeks because the machine had to be ordered but who cared about that these people at the 2nd store answered every question, treated me with respect, and let me take as long as I wished to test drive the machines.
Now I know that story is not about vaping but the upshot of it is the same. Bad service = lost sales and you never know when that lady in ratty jeans and tshirt isn't ready to drop a ton of cash.
My sister once asked me if I ever cussed. I try to not because cussing is a very bad habit to get into when you deal with the public.
I used to cuss up a storm when I worked wholesale, it was a hard habit to break when I went to a retail store.
The employee probably didn't even realize they were cussing. I'm not excusing the employee, more letting anyone who may be dealing with the public that I'd can them for not acting in a manner conducive to good customer relations to ALL customers.
You don't see that as the same type of spin the ANTZ use? A worker's kids being at their place of employment is not the same as that same place being a hangout for kids. I tend to not like kids and I didn't mind the bartenders' kids there. They weren't drinking, they were there until mom punched out and took them home.
If the kids at the vape shop were vaping that would be wrong. But being there until (probably) minimum wage earner parent can take them home is a good thing as long as they are behaved.
That was another lesson I learned early into business. People in overalls pulling out wads of cash to buy things you'd never think they could afford. One of the retail stores that did the biggest business was from a small hick town.
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Spin? What the heck are you talking aboot? I'm a 54 year old bachelor with no children. If I wanted to be around children I would have had some of my own. I'm not anti child or anti working parent. Its not spin, its a personal choice.
I don't go to Chuck E Cheese for precisely that reason. They could have the best freakin pizza in the world but I'd never know about it.
I'm right with you, as I said, I generally don't like kids.
Right with you until you equate a low wage employees kids at a work place with the nightmare of Chuck E Cheese's.
You guys are making me want to go check out a Chuck E Cheese someday, just to see what all the fuss is about.
But then, I'm the kind of guy that will vape roast beef juice if someone offers it and says it tastes like crap.
But then, I'm the kind of guy that will vape roast beef juice if someone offers it and says it tastes like crap.
You really aren't missing anything but noise and bad pizza.You guys are making me want to go check out a Chuck E Cheese someday, just to see what all the fuss is about.
But then, I'm the kind of guy that will vape roast beef juice if someone offers it and says it tastes like crap.
Wait.... WHAT? I didn't equate anything. I didn't even bring kids into this. I just agreed with someone else that having your kids watch cartoons in the vape shop on a regular basis might not be a good idea.
Maybe it's the way "might not be a good idea" comes across as the same excuse that was used to turn the bartender into DCFS.
Personally if it was my business and a customer had a problem with such a thing as an employee having their kids in the store I would put my employee's (and their kid's) well being above my customer's personal desires.
I was one of those kids who got to hang out at the bar with Mom after she got off her bank shift (back in the early 80's). The bartender always made me roy roger's with extra swords and cherries whenever I wanted. The other patrons would slip me fives for no reason. I would run down to the Eckard's and buy the little pellets you drop into hot water and expand into little dinosaur-shaped sponges. Then I would get ice cream in the next shop. Then I'd go back to the bar and if I was lucky, the bartender would put one of the TVs on cartoons. Bad parenting? Probably. But I turned out ok... mostly. ;-) And I still had fun.
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My mom worked as a bartender at a place called "The Dragon Lady's Den". My school bus would drop me and my brother off in front of the bar on Fridays and we would hang out in the back for an hour until my dad came to pick us up. We were made Shirley Temples. The highlight of my childhood was meeting "Peaches and Herb" while I was there one day. It was only one hour for one day a week and never did I or have I ever thought my mom was bad for making us go there. My parents did what they had to do to support us. Now, mind you, we were in a back room doing our homework and no one besides the staff knew we were there.
I guess I'm not really getting your point. I don't know what the story on the bartenders and their kids and it doesn't have anything to do with me.
First off let's clarify what you actually said, you didn't say it was "a bad idea". You said, "Kids and vape shops shouldn't mix."
In that vein I think it's pretty clear.
Yeah, that's my personal opinion. It doesn't equate to me turning anyone in for having their children in a vape shop despite what you believe the motive was in an unrelated situation that I don't know anything about.
As a customer I would feel uncomfortable in there blowing clouds of nicotine in a room with children. If every time I went there and kids present I would find a different shop.
If I went to any of my friends houses and started vaping in a room with their kids they would straight up freak and I believe rightly so. Even if they said it was OK I personally would be uncomfortable doing it and would still step outside and be downwind the same as I did when I smoked cigarettes. I'm an adult. I get to choose to vape nicotine or not. Read my sig, I think it applies here.
Not big on basing your ideas off of the studies are you?
I have no problem vaping around kids at Christmas because I know the candles my sister has burning are producing more pollutants than I am. But then I actually read the second hand smoke studies and knew we were being lied to about that too.
Nope. Its called common courtesy. I don't carry around copies of studies with me to justify my personal choices nor do I expect non vapers to read them so that they will feel better about what I'm choosing to do. As far as other pollutants, I don't care if they have a .... lab setup in their rumpus room.... I'm not doing it.
If you think its totally benign you are kidding yourself. I know for a fact that if I get a high nicotine content liquid and hit it really hard a few times then I'm going to get light headed. If I continue to hit it hard I'm going to get a headache. Thats why they sell various levels, so that we can adjust our nicotine intake to our personal preference. How many comments here have you seen about vapers dropping nicotine levels because of a new device they were using or the sub ohm coils they just twisted were delivering too much nicotine for them? Do you honestly believe that all of that is absorbed before you exhale?
Obviously something to that and I don't need a study to prove it to me. Personal observations are plenty for me.
So as a matter of common courtesy I have decided that I won't be subjecting anyone to my second hand vape without their consent. I will never subject a child to my second hand vape under any avoidable circumstance. Some things I just won't do.
Poor customer service seems to be becoming the norm these days in all areas of retail. If I don't like the service in a store I make sure the manager knows exactly why I am taking my money elsewhere.
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