I have a couple vegan friends, we are always cracking jokes at each other. No harm intended
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I have a couple vegan friends, we are always cracking jokes at each other. No harm intended
If you absolutely want to be sure what's in your juice, it's easy. Get some VG (it's a vegetable product) and flavor it yourself. Problem solved, cheap.
If you're not willing to do that, for reasons I can't understand given your apparent conviction, VCV is hardly expensive.
If you want cheap, mass-produced juice, you're not going to get a certificate. You need to have realistic expectations. If you want something special and out of the ordinary, like certified vegan juice, expect to pay more for it, just like you pay more for everything else that's certified vegan.
If you're vegan, you know this isn't an uncommon situation, and you've dealt with it many times before. I'm not sure why having to do it for your juice seems to be such a big issue, unless it's just a way to pop in once in a while and wave the "I'm a vegan" banner.
If you're not willing to do that, for reasons I can't understand given your apparent conviction, VCV is hardly expensive.
If you want cheap, mass-produced juice, you're not going to get a certificate. You need to have realistic expectations. If you want something special and out of the ordinary, like certified vegan juice, expect to pay more for it, just like you pay more for everything else that's certified vegan.
If you're vegan, you know this isn't an uncommon situation, and you've dealt with it many times before. I'm not sure why having to do it for your juice seems to be such a big issue, unless it's just a way to pop in once in a while and wave the "I'm a vegan" banner.
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Not at all! Honestly, diversity is what makes the world go-round - to me, this means that we cannot all live the same way, and this applies to how we eat, as well. If everyone in the world was vegan we would have to deal with a completely different set of equally difficult problems. That isn't to say that I don't want more people to become vegan - it would make shopping for food and clothing a whole lot easier if there was a larger demand for vegan wares.
I have done this too. It might be what you are looking for. Maybe research extraction methods and reagents. ( the other chemicals that are commonly used for flavorings.)
I read on this site some DIY'ers can make up their own tea flavors among others. I dont remember any animal products in the process.
At this point I'm almost sure we're being trolled. Because a sensible person couldn't seriously say "look i want you to do hours worth of homework for me but I don't want to pay you $0.33 per mil for your trouble."
ETA Furthermore, how can you seriously scoff at that price when you pay THAT much for cigarettes which may or may not be additive free, but the jury is still on on if they're "cruily" free? They're $6 in North Carolina (where tobacco products are RELATIVELY cheap) and probably more like $15 when you get up into New York?
Are you serious.
ETA Furthermore, how can you seriously scoff at that price when you pay THAT much for cigarettes which may or may not be additive free, but the jury is still on on if they're "cruily" free? They're $6 in North Carolina (where tobacco products are RELATIVELY cheap) and probably more like $15 when you get up into New York?
Are you serious.
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Well said. Vegetarian of 2 years and the difficulty of staying away from every source of animal-derived-anything is one of the reasons I've never been able to go full-blown vegan. That, and eggs, yogurt, honey are ridiculously nutritious foods and I'd go so far as to say I'm addicted. Kudos to being down to earth.
Thanks, and congrats on going vegetarian! I happen to have what my wife calls unnaturally strong willpower - without that, being vegan would be nearly impossible after being raised on a meat-based diet. That said, anyone who can quit cigarettes, even with the help of our nicotine delivery system of choice, should be commended for their resolve.
I am sorry I missed your New Member's thread! Let me just say it here--Welcome. I can already tell that you are a wonderful addition to the community.
Agreed. I posted last night but edited it out (it was a tad harsh lol) that, like his last attempt at this thread, I'm positive that this is a ruse to get vapers to think about veganism. What he's looking for doesn't exist and he knows it, because if it does he will add another stipulation to discount it to keep the topic alive. Not necessarily a troll, just an over-eager vegan who uses trolling tactics to spread the word, which just has the results of putting a positive thing like veganism in a bad light. Glad to see there's some intelligent vegans who posted that represent the more common, sensible views of vegans without an agenda.
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Search his posting history and see how many of these same threads he's started in the past......
Last summer there was two very attractive females from PETA dressed as topless mermaids to spread the message of not eating fish, because fish have feelings like other animals. That was a rare case of.. I disagree with the message, but highly approve ot the method. 
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Yeah, I know.
I can respect having principals and sticking by them. I really do. But I believe OP needs to reconsider his perspective on the price point, here. He had a surprisingly affordable answer almost immediately from our friend Mr.Mann, who does a far better job in keeping up with this league of quality control than I could ever hope to.
I'd suggest vaping water - but i'm fairly certain a few animals have drowned in water before....
If people don't have the self-control not to post snarky comments, at least report a post if you think it's questionable. We'll look into post history, etc. Don't be part of the problem. If you didn't post, the thread would slowly drop to another page.
There's plenty of room for gods creatures (right between the mashed potatoes and stuffing ). This thread delivers!
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Think I'm troilling all you want - I said like 3 times my vegan definition question has changed at least for the animal testing part and was looking for suggestions and advice.
ok, I'll look into velvet cloud vapor, thanks. Was hoping for cheaper and plan on DIY anyway, so:
The materials I want and am asking which suppliers you think will meet my definition besides Nature's Flavors which has already been suggested (thanks). Hopefully USA-sourced:
-VG and PG
-broad range of flavors and hopefully at least one tobacco extract that taste sort of like a cigarette and not a cigar or pipe like the one I had did.
-nicotine base
-throat hit
-sweetener
ok, I'll look into velvet cloud vapor, thanks. Was hoping for cheaper and plan on DIY anyway, so:
The materials I want and am asking which suppliers you think will meet my definition besides Nature's Flavors which has already been suggested (thanks). Hopefully USA-sourced:
-VG and PG
-broad range of flavors and hopefully at least one tobacco extract that taste sort of like a cigarette and not a cigar or pipe like the one I had did.
-nicotine base
-throat hit
-sweetener
No offense intended because I read your post and I sympathize with the difficulty of finding even food that meets certain criteria even if it's not strict vegan as you've chosen to define it, but still if your main point of veganism is to prevent cruelty to animals, which I assume it is, then for you to pump your own lungs full of burnt vegetable matter instead of vaping seems to me to be counter to that ideal considering you're an animal and you wouldn't want to be a lab rat for Phillip Morris living in a cage being made to inhale smoke and embers to get your company-created fix, would you?
IIRC, for DIY, RTS vapes is US based and also uses US nicotine (which they might be the only one from what I have read here, all the rest use nicotine sourced from China). Someone correct me if I am wrong. I only know this from hearsay on this board.
You can buy RTS liquid with nicotine already in it. I actually prefer this method since I have no desire to handle undiluted or super high strength nicotine. I can also say that I think the liquid from RTS is high quality.
As for testing on animals, just like tobacco (even your vegan tobaccos), I am sure the ingredients were tested on animals by someone at some point. RTS probably doesn't do any animal testing (not sure why they would). They probably simply test for purity, and any safety claims would come from other research that might come from animal testing. Yet this would be no different than what vegan tobaccos do. Sure, they may not do the testing themselves, but they definitely are aware of and probably even use testing information that was obtained from animal testing.
Throat hit will vary on PG/VG concentrations, nicotine content, and PV settings. You can control that.
As for testing on flavors, I would bet they could tell you about animal testing. For DIY, I actually like Capella's. They are a bit more expensive, but I find their flavors more accurate than most. If you drop them an email maybe they will let you know about their testing or lack there of. They don't offer tobacco flavors, and I actually prefer vendor juices for tobacco flavors. There are naturally extracted tobaccos (look up the NET thread) that are very authentic for tobacco flavors. There are also flavors that I don't think any DIY juices can replicate.
For pure sweetener, the common options are sucralose (IIRC, it's essentially Splenda), ethyl maltol (cotton candy type flavor), and stevia. Once again, the maker of the product may not test anything, but initial testing on the product probably included animal testing. For these you can actually buy them at any number of places, including going to your local store (if they don't have a liquid version you can simply mix some in PG or VG to create your own sweetener liquid).
You can buy RTS liquid with nicotine already in it. I actually prefer this method since I have no desire to handle undiluted or super high strength nicotine. I can also say that I think the liquid from RTS is high quality.
As for testing on animals, just like tobacco (even your vegan tobaccos), I am sure the ingredients were tested on animals by someone at some point. RTS probably doesn't do any animal testing (not sure why they would). They probably simply test for purity, and any safety claims would come from other research that might come from animal testing. Yet this would be no different than what vegan tobaccos do. Sure, they may not do the testing themselves, but they definitely are aware of and probably even use testing information that was obtained from animal testing.
Throat hit will vary on PG/VG concentrations, nicotine content, and PV settings. You can control that.
As for testing on flavors, I would bet they could tell you about animal testing. For DIY, I actually like Capella's. They are a bit more expensive, but I find their flavors more accurate than most. If you drop them an email maybe they will let you know about their testing or lack there of. They don't offer tobacco flavors, and I actually prefer vendor juices for tobacco flavors. There are naturally extracted tobaccos (look up the NET thread) that are very authentic for tobacco flavors. There are also flavors that I don't think any DIY juices can replicate.
For pure sweetener, the common options are sucralose (IIRC, it's essentially Splenda), ethyl maltol (cotton candy type flavor), and stevia. Once again, the maker of the product may not test anything, but initial testing on the product probably included animal testing. For these you can actually buy them at any number of places, including going to your local store (if they don't have a liquid version you can simply mix some in PG or VG to create your own sweetener liquid).
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