With respect, this statement seems politically motivated and I seriously doubt it will make one bit of difference who is in the white house with regards to how the FDA ends up handling electronic cigarettes.
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With respect, this statement seems politically motivated and I seriously doubt it will make one bit of difference who is in the white house with regards to how the FDA ends up handling electronic cigarettes.
Serious doubts aside, history shows us who stands against us.
And just about 95% of the efforts to fight against electronic cigarettes start with Democrats.
I'd post a whole bunch of links, but I'm too busy right now.
Maybe later.
Truth is far more important than political parties.
And in this particular matter, the truth is quite clear.
Exactly.
I'm well positioned to take care of my own vaping needs.
But the 400,000 who will die if they don't stop smoking and e cigs aren't there to help them....what about them?
We can jawbone in this forum until the cows come home but unless we find a way to unite and stand up and scream loud enough to overcome this propaganda machine, they might be lost.
And one of them might be your brother, or your sister, or you aunt.
And one of them might be your nephew, or your co-worker, or you child.
If they are still selling synthetic compounds online that people abuse to feel like they are on another planet, then they aren't gonna be able to ban sales very easily on e-cig related items. Those synthetic compounds kill people, e-cigs well I consider them a life saver. just my 
While I agree, the problem is the millions of smokers that are still smoking.If they are still selling synthetic compounds online that people abuse to feel like they are on another planet, then they aren't gonna be able to ban sales very easily on e-cig related items. Those synthetic compounds kill people, e-cigs well I consider them a life saver. just my
They need this life-saving product available to them without going through a black market.
Some people say I've got mine, so I'm good.
I say I've got mine, and I want you to have yours.
I guess it's just a matter of perspective.
To answer the question of change (ecigs) or no change. Regulate or not. It will, and always has, come down to MONEY. Who has it? Who is going to get it? And last but not least ..... HOW MUCH CAN I GET?
Politics and government DO NOT care about your health, no one will ever convince me otherwise. Sure there are a few who do care, but they do not have enough power or influence. What. Me. Cynical. Yep. But government (and life) taught me to be.
IMHO the decision is already made, the powers that be are only waiting for some data to point to that they think justifies their decision. Therefore I must agree that the election will indeed play into this.
The US government is corrupt, you better believe that for your own good. Consider the way bills get passed, or not, in Congress. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Corruption. That is a major example, there are many others. Why would the FDA be any different?
It is not about right or wrong, it is about a decision that is PUBLICLY defend-able (in their minds). I really wish it was not so, but evidence says that it is. OK, off my soapbox now.
Got myself so riled I forgot to say that I hope the mom and pop shops are not forced to close. I have personal experience with that, and it nearly ruined me. It did cost me (and others) the best job I ever had, and more than 10 years recovery. Reading this thread threatening my newly found vaping just brought nasty memories flooding back into my head. Perhaps I am a little overboard, but I really believe everything in this post. (heavy sigh)
Politics and government DO NOT care about your health, no one will ever convince me otherwise. Sure there are a few who do care, but they do not have enough power or influence. What. Me. Cynical. Yep. But government (and life) taught me to be.
IMHO the decision is already made, the powers that be are only waiting for some data to point to that they think justifies their decision. Therefore I must agree that the election will indeed play into this.
The US government is corrupt, you better believe that for your own good. Consider the way bills get passed, or not, in Congress. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Corruption. That is a major example, there are many others. Why would the FDA be any different?
It is not about right or wrong, it is about a decision that is PUBLICLY defend-able (in their minds). I really wish it was not so, but evidence says that it is. OK, off my soapbox now.
Got myself so riled I forgot to say that I hope the mom and pop shops are not forced to close. I have personal experience with that, and it nearly ruined me. It did cost me (and others) the best job I ever had, and more than 10 years recovery. Reading this thread threatening my newly found vaping just brought nasty memories flooding back into my head. Perhaps I am a little overboard, but I really believe everything in this post. (heavy sigh)
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It very well could make a difference. The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sibelius, was appointed by our current president. She appointed people like Margaret Hamburg and expert propagandist (i.e. liar) Joshua Sharfstein to run things at the FDA.
If we have a different incoming president, he will appoint his own people to various cabinet departments, and the entire top management structure will change.
And as someone else has noted, most of the folks who have proposed laws and/or regulations that will harm us seem to be of the same political party that now is running things.
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It was Obama appointees at the FDA who banned e-cigarette imports, who intentionally lied (and continue to do so) about the health/safety risks/benefits of e-cigarettes, and who have been advocating the "deeming" regulation to regulate (er ban) e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
In sharp contrast, Romney has been campaigning against unnecessary and unwarranted federal goverment regulations.
If Obama losses the election, all Obama appointees will be required to submit their resignations, and Romney will get to appoint his own administration officials (as that's the way it works in DC).
Although I campaigned for Obama in 2008, his abstinence-only prohibitonist tobacco and e-cigarette policies have a been unethical, immoral, inhumane, and pose a huge threat to public health and civil liberties.
Had it not been for Obama's FDA, millions of more smokers would have already switched to e-cigarettes and other smokefree alternatives.
It was Obama appointees at the FDA who banned e-cigarette imports, who intentionally lied (and continue to do so) about the health/safety risks/benefits of e-cigarettes, and who have been advocating the "deeming" regulation to regulate (er ban) e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
In sharp contrast, Romney has been campaigning against unnecessary and unwarranted federal goverment regulations.
If Obama losses the election, all Obama appointees will be required to submit their resignations, and Romney will get to appoint his own administration officials (as that's the way it works in DC).
Although I campaigned for Obama in 2008, his abstinence-only prohibitonist tobacco and e-cigarette policies have a been unethical, immoral, inhumane, and pose a huge threat to public health and civil liberties.
Had it not been for Obama's FDA, millions of more smokers would have already switched to e-cigarettes and other smokefree alternatives.
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Well, I'm no political expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but...
It may just be that the President wants to appoint people who share his ideology.
That is, after all, the best way to get done what he wants to get done.
Well, anyway, that's they way I'd like to imagine it.
The politicians are the masks the world bankers wear to keep you writing letters to robo responders. This is going to come down to money. Watch and see. It is not about health or safety or freedom or anything in those terms. It will be about the money. Of course they will say it is about all those things to keep you on one side or the other but make no mistake this a product derived from tobacco and they all know that means $$$$$$$$.
It is interesting that Bill supported Obama.
I too voted for him and I work in the schools- pretty much you have to be democrat if you do- it's realistic in terms of getting funded, especially the programs in which I work. That said, the election for Obama was before me quitting cigs and switching to Vaping. Not trying to make it political here but the last 2 years or so (my vaping anyway) has opened my eyes. I had no idea what I was getting into when I started this. Why can't they just let people be and let them improve their health??
So, I certainly have second thoughts about how I will vote this fall. Sometimes I think that if Obama could just be educated about these things, there would be a change from the top, but I think it's beyond that- or like has been mentioned- it's about the money....and/or he's too busy with other things that he hasn't paid attention to what's going on.
But....The FDA...come on! This group isn't just about what we're doing- they are poking their noses into everything and it is obvious that they are so influenced by big Pharma it isn't even funny. Big Pharma- I don't think they are democrats or republicans- it's just their nature to keep people sick enough to sell their goods....
I too voted for him and I work in the schools- pretty much you have to be democrat if you do- it's realistic in terms of getting funded, especially the programs in which I work. That said, the election for Obama was before me quitting cigs and switching to Vaping. Not trying to make it political here but the last 2 years or so (my vaping anyway) has opened my eyes. I had no idea what I was getting into when I started this. Why can't they just let people be and let them improve their health??
So, I certainly have second thoughts about how I will vote this fall. Sometimes I think that if Obama could just be educated about these things, there would be a change from the top, but I think it's beyond that- or like has been mentioned- it's about the money....and/or he's too busy with other things that he hasn't paid attention to what's going on.
But....The FDA...come on! This group isn't just about what we're doing- they are poking their noses into everything and it is obvious that they are so influenced by big Pharma it isn't even funny. Big Pharma- I don't think they are democrats or republicans- it's just their nature to keep people sick enough to sell their goods....
Of course the democratic side in politics is more anti-tobacco with regards to restrictions and taxation, that's plain and obvious for everyone to see. The point I was trying to make was; do you honestly think Romney is going to put someone in that is going to give us carte blanche and allow us to continue unregulated as we are now? Deregulation is part of the reason why we have a corrupt FDA in cahoots with pharmaceutical corps.
All indications point to big tobacco taking over the e-cig market and selling us pre-filled cartos or desposibles; how would Romney change any of that? Ron Paul appointees probably wouldn't even allow us to get away with what we're getting away with now. That growing hole in the state budgets from tobacco tax has to be filled from somewhere. I just think that some might want to consider the ramifications of voting one way based solely on this issue given the wide spectrum of effects that it could have in other matters, especially given some of the other issues we are facing in this country right now.
All indications point to big tobacco taking over the e-cig market and selling us pre-filled cartos or desposibles; how would Romney change any of that? Ron Paul appointees probably wouldn't even allow us to get away with what we're getting away with now. That growing hole in the state budgets from tobacco tax has to be filled from somewhere. I just think that some might want to consider the ramifications of voting one way based solely on this issue given the wide spectrum of effects that it could have in other matters, especially given some of the other issues we are facing in this country right now.
Education doesn't matter. Not to politicians and not to their blind followers, either. You could present the President himself with a 900 page book full of pure, studied, undeniable facts and it would do zero good. Because like others have said... it's all about money. How can we get more money from the people? They're switching off cigarettes for e-cigs? Must be a tobacco product, tax it. We're not getting their ungodly taxes from cigarettes anymore, so we have to get it somehow. Like the cigarette tax... they don't give a crud about you quitting. They don't really want you to. They know an addict will pay the ungodly taxes because they're an addict. And as long as you keep smoking, they keep raking it in. If you quit, oh well, nothing we can do. Find an alternative? God forbid! Tax enjoyment!
And someone above said they are just waiting for any reason they can find. I understand that perfectly. And I agree. That's what they usually do. They need something to get everyone on their side. And that isn't just e-cigarettes.
I don't. Romney is no better. This is the election where everyone says the same thing... "I usually vote the lesser of two evils, but this time... which one is the lesser of two evils?!"
Why not vote for whoever is running as the 3rd candidate? I'm probably voting for whoever is the 3rd candidate. Maybe one day we'll get a random dude as our president (can't be that much worse).
Sigh, here's to hoping a ban doesn't go through.
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I'm considering it. It also depends whether or not they show up on the ballot. Sometimes they don't make it on the ballot here in NC.
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