Batteries are Confusing!

[MrJoel]

I apologise in advance for the long post here but, "batteries are Confusing!"
I've decided to go with the "smoktek (R) Hyper SRT II (510)" ($20)
[ The Smoktech R-Tank - Chrome ]
[NOTE: The regular smoktek Hyper SRT II seems to have problems with overheating.
REF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/353342-smoktek-hyper-
srt-ii-nov-24-2012-a.html ]
My problem is that, like everywhere else, they don't suggest what type of battery to use with it.

So here's my ignorance: It seems apparent that the 'bare battery' needs to match the ATTY and
also, that the 'bare battery' needs to match your choice of battery 'container/unit'.

Q. How can you be sure that you are getting the right battery for your ATTY?
Unfortunetly VERY few sites give any suggestion as to what battery goes with their ATTY.
(Shouldn't there be 'compatability charts'?) The way most ATY's are presented, the uninformed could
easily buy just the ATTY, and expect it to be ready to go, out of the box!

Q. Is there a proper (generic) name for these battery 'container/units', in difference to the
'bare battery'??!
Most sites call their bare batteries 'Batteries', and then they call the units that house the
batteries 'Batteries'. With this, it's hard to search for information, to ask which batteries can
go with which 'Battery'/container.

For the SmokTek (R) I'm considering a "Joye EGO USB Manual 650mah Battery (510) with USB Charger"
($20). The sites offering this of course say nothing about whether it's disposable, or if you
can/should also stock up on 'bare batteries' to swap out as they charge. And of course it, doesn't
tell you the 'perfect batteries for it, or whether there are optional size batteries that can fit
into it. [I'd like a years supply = 1 'battery unit' + 1 battery to swap out. Does this sound
right?]

Q. Can I swap out a 1100mah or higher battery for longer life?
If you can use whatever battery you'd like - to experiment with - that'd be great. BUT, if there
are only a limited (or 1) battery that fits the unit, shouldn't this be stated on their site?!! I
can easily see buying the wrong batteries, and then having to return them (yea, right)!

I would certainly like to know the 'perfect fit' for the SmokTek (R), but these fundamental
questions really bug me. It seems that they are so apparent that nobody bothers to refer to them.
It's odd though, you would think that if the sellers would want you to be a 'one-stop-shopper',
that they'd go out of their way to tell you what fits their ATTY's and their 'battery units'. These
are usually very detailed sites, but despite this, they often don't even tell you what connection
type (i.e 510, 801) they are, or what size drip-tip to use!!

These are probably very 'newbie' questions, but that's why I'm here. If someone could help
explain all of this I would really appreciate it. - THANX!!

 

[Lessifer]

First, welcome to ecf, these forums are definitely a great place to start. Did you check out the new member info threads that are stickied at the top of the new member forums? Lots of great starter info there.

As for your questions, there are two main battery types: fully housed batteries that you connect straight to a delivery device, these are usually referred to by their brand name or their connection like 808, 510, or eGo etc. these are a fully contained unit that you plug into a charger, are automatic(run when you pull air through) or manual(they have a button you press to activate).

"Bare batteries" usually just have a number like 18350 etc. these are rechargeable batteries that you can find pretty much anywhere and are used in "mods" which is basically a housing that uses the battery to power your atty.

Most of the attys, cartos, clearos, cartotanks will fit the 510 or eGo threading, unless otherwise specified in the name or description. But if all else fails you can always ask here or better yet contact the vendor with questions.

This is a very minimal overview, you'll find much more detailed info out there, but I hope this helps.

One thing I'd suggest, if a description has a warning in it(like that one about rebuildable attys) and you don't fully understand it, you may want to find something else to use. Clearomizers are a great place to start IMHO, they're fairly cheap, easy to use, and get good vapor.

The most important thing is, you're making the switch away from regular cigarettes, and that's a good thing! Just stick with it

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...287787-three-main-types-ecig-explanation.html

 

[Baditude]

eGo class of batteries

The eGo battery that you are interested in is a rechargeable battery that is designed to last approximately 250 charges. It is in itself, the battery, that has a power/on switch which also fires the juice delivery device that can connect to it.



APV's or mod battery holders

There are also APV's (advanced personal vaporizers) or mods, that are essentually tubes or boxes that are battery holders that also have the firing button and connector for attaching delivery devices. These mods use removable, rechargeable batteries that are removed when the charge is depleted (and then can be recharged in a special charger), and exchanged with a charged battery. These batteries last a year or more.

Both of the above "batteries" or PV's (personal vaporizers) used in vaping use a common 510-thread connection to the juice delivery devices that you put on those batteries.

Many of the smaller, cigarette size batteries, or as we call them here "cigalikes" use an 808-thread connection, therefore when shopping for delivery devices for your eGo battery, look for ones that have a 510 connect (which most of them are unless stated).

 

[jim829]

this is my third time reloading this page, simply because i'm trying to break it down simply, but i confuse myself. I keep hoping when i reload someone else has answered, just because i'm lazy.

anyway.

There are replaceable li-ion batteries (which i assume is what you mean by bare batteries). And then there are battery tubes (personal vaporizers/PV's generally speaking all ecigs are PV's) Sometimes these are designated Advanced PV's or APV's. These don't have to be tubes, they can be boxes or pipes or anything. The point is that these PV/APV's generally take a replaceable battery. There are certain other ecigs(PV's) like an ego, which do not take a replaceable battery.

Now these ego's are designed to be a standalone unit with a battery built inside of them. So it's nice to have two if that's what you're vaping on. That way when one charges, you still have one to vape. Now both of your selected devices have a 510 connection, so they are compatible with one another. Any 510 style battery would be compatible with that particular tank. All you really need to look for in regard to compatibility is the connector designation, in this case 510. You would consider ego's disposable in the sense that after about 300 charges (approx) they will stop working, the same is true for all bare batteries as well - they just don't last forever.

I hope that pretty much answers most of it? I tend to attack these things out of order and miss something here and there, but if you need additional clarification i'll try to help out.

 

[darkhood]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/378914-suggestions-newbies.html lol

 

[Lessifer]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/378914-suggestions-newbies.html lol

I'm just gonna start pasting that link for you darkhood

 

[MrJoel]

Darkhood - great info! Thanx!

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Okay, not so confused but still a bit irritated - I guess I've just got to get over it.

All of these terms seem to be interchagable, depending upon what you saying:
> e-Cig is the whole unit; ATTY, and battery - or it's just the 'battery unit'/PV
> Battery is the 'bare battery' or the 'battery unit'/PV .
> All e-Cigs are PV's (personal vaporizers) but not all PV's are AVP's
And still - no 'compatability charts' or 'buy this with that' on these sites!

What I know now is that many PV/AVP's allow swapping out batteries. Also, that the battery's in an APV can last up to a year+.

Q. What I don't know is how you can tell whether a PV CAN swap batteries, or what variety of battery it can accept.

Understand: I have a limited 1-time budget to buy my supplies. If I get the wrong stuff, then I'm stuck with it. I'm looking at the "Joye EGO USB Manual 650mah Battery (510) with USB Charger" mainly for the cost as well as the included USB charger. I can pay more, but would rather spend that on a battery to swap out during recharging. So, the Joye doesn't seem to be my best fit..

My Two Main Questions:

Q. What would be a good unit to buy (like the Joye) that allows swapping batteries, and has a reasonable charging time?

Q. What batteries should I get for long-life?

In General:

Q. So, if any 510 PV would work on the 510 SmokTek (R), can any battery size work with it? Are there overload limits?

Q. Why would one get a 650mah Battery when a 1100mah+ would give more life?

I'll ask more as needed ...

 

[darkhood]

I'm just gonna start pasting that link for you darkhood

seriously lol why don't they just sticky it? everyone asks the same questions every day and it seems to help a lot of these ppl...tired of pasting that crap...

 

[darkhood]

Darkhood - great info! Thanx!

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Okay, not so confused but still a bit irritated - I guess I've just got to get over it.

All of these terms seem to be interchagable, depending upon what you saying:
> e-Cig is the whole unit; ATTY, and battery - or it's just the 'battery unit'/PV
> Battery is the 'bare battery' or the 'battery unit'/PV .
> All e-Cigs are PV's (personal vaporizers) but not all PV's are AVP's
And still - no 'compatability charts' or 'buy this with that' on these sites!

What I know now is that many PV/AVP's allow swapping out batteries. Also, that the battery's in an APV can last up to a year+.

Q. What I don't know is how you can tell whether a PV CAN swap batteries, or what variety of battery it can accept.

Understand: I have a limited 1-time budget to buy my supplies. If I get the wrong stuff, then I'm stuck with it. I'm looking at the "Joye EGO USB Manual 650mah Battery (510) with USB Charger" mainly for the cost as well as the included USB charger. I can pay more, but would rather spend that on a battery to swap out during recharging. So, the Joye doesn't seem to be my best fit..

My Two Main Questions:

Q. What would be a good unit to buy (like the Joye) that allows swapping batteries, and has a reasonable charging time?

Q. What batteries should I get for long-life?

In General:

Q. So, if any 510 PV would work on the 510 SmokTek (R), can any battery size work with it? Are there overload limits?

Q. Why would one get a 650mah Battery when a 1100mah+ would give more life?

I'll ask more as needed ...

ur welcome. dude, if u have that kind of budget just get what i suggest, it's the cheapest way to do it.

Q. Why would one get a 650mah Battery when a 1100mah+ would give more life?

because the 650mah batt is $11 and u won't really need it unless the spinner breaks (just dont drop it and it wont)

 

[xanderxman]

If you have a limited budget then get a kit with two eGo batteries and a charger. Like this KGO kit1100mAh by SLB

If you have more to spend then you can look at the APVs that hold a rechargeable battery (like this AltSmoke.com | Personal Vaporizers | Electronic Cigarette | Ecigs | Zmax - Variable Voltage/Wattage)

The eGo style batteries do not have a removable battery. The entire unit is plugged into the charger. The APVs or Mods have a removable battery that is plugged into the charger. You can open the unit to remove the battery. The eGo styles cannot be opened.

If you go with a Joye style then make sure to get a kit with two batteries in it so you can vape one while the other is charging. If you buy an APV then make sure to buy at least two batteries that fit into it so you can vape on one while the other charges.

EDIT for clarity. I am not saying you should purchase these exact products. The links provided are for illustrative purposes only.

 

[darkhood]

well whatever, if u go the way i suggest ul have a spinner that'll last u all day and u can just charge it overnight, a 650mah riva in case it breaks, a vivi nova w/ 3 replaceable heads and a dripper to test flavors...or u could spend $10 less and have 2 1100mah batts and some crappy clearomizers that you'll throw out after 4 days...ur call

 

[xanderxman]

I wasn't endorsing those particular products. I was using them to illustrate the differences. The OP was confused about batteries and I was trying to clear it up. Guess I should have added that at the end of my post. I didn't realize I was supposed to put together a shopping cart for the OP.

 

[darkhood]

I wasn't endorsing those particular products. I was using them to illustrate the differences. The OP was confused about batteries and I was trying to clear it up. Guess I should have added that at the end of my post. I didn't realize I was supposed to put together a shopping cart for the OP.

u were recommending them...same as endorsing them...all good i was just trying to help the guy idk.

 

[MrJoel]

Thnax guys for all of your info!

 

[RVLT]

Batteries are Confusing!

Glad I'm not the only one...

 

[dooditskaylan]

Great questions and answers. Vaping is so confusing in the beginning...