Beginner mixing tip - I just learned
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Well what I can tell you for FACT is nic does not oxidize AS fast (not that oxidation is always a bad thing) at lower concentrations. I can leave some menthol juice sitting caps off for a week and a month later it will remain clear as a bell. Personally I get my advice from people with either a background in chemistry such as John from WL or people who have been mixing juice a very long time. I highly trust the people who make juice for a living and have stores lined up to resell what they make.
And yes it's the alcohol and or solvents we are trying to get rid of by removing the caps. I also want my nic (once mixed) to oxidize and mature unless I plan to sit it on a shelf for 10 years. But most people never even consider that most plastic ejuice bottles are not air tight anyway. So whatever oxygen people are trying to avoid is likely coming in contact with their juice anyway.
I'd say most of the diy-ers I come into contact with here use glass for their nic solution and mixes. The only time I personally use plastic is when making 5 ml testers.
In terms of information, here's John's advice from WL:
For long term storage over 2 months, we recommend transferring your nicotine solution into glass containers with airtight lids, and as little airspace in the top of the container as possible. If stored properly, in a freezer at 0°F, a nicotine solution can remain viable and usable in excess of 2 years.
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Notes on oxidation: Nicotine oxidizes rapidly with exposure to oxygen, light, heat, and moisture. As Nicotine oxidizes the color of the solution will turn yellow to amber brown in color.
If you enjoy RY4 let it steep for a month then mix a fresh batch and vape them side by side.
I think you will be very surprised and this is coming from someone who hated RY4 until trying a month old batch. The same can be said for most tobaccos. I have played with combinations of various TFA bacco flavors and the end result would have probably made most any normal person vomit. Decided to keep some of the vomit inducing juice to see what might happen. Now I have a few people who actually pay me for the opportunity to vape my very limited toilet worthy juice. I wont ever discard bad juice because sometimes I get lucky after a long steep and strike gold. And I make a Strawberry Key Lime Cheesecake that IMHO tastes like dirty socks until 3+ days of steeping.
Crunk,
RY4D is my EDV. I mix it at 8% with a drop of AP per 5ml. I make it 100ml at a time and to me it's good when I'm done mixing it. I don't notice a big difference as it sits (a batch usually lasts me around a month).
Cheers,
Steve
RY4D is my EDV. I mix it at 8% with a drop of AP per 5ml. I make it 100ml at a time and to me it's good when I'm done mixing it. I don't notice a big difference as it sits (a batch usually lasts me around a month).
Cheers,
Steve
If your going to store bulk nic long term of course it's best to do so with minimal oxygen. But good luck using the fill port on a Kayfun style tank with a glass bottle and a dropper. I needs me plastic long tip bottles for me rockets or me be forced to top fill which annoys me to no end.
I know I seen and tried your recipe which gave me actual hope (Dekang RY4 to me is like Caramel and Dirt) that RY4 had potential. Then I came up with me twist involving a wee bit o mellow and maple that has become my ADV. But a fresh batch is just not that good in fact my neighbor who I recently converted to vaping even noticed a difference after it aged a bit.
Its like stating as soon as I mix yeast into a mash I can drink wine/beer.
Flavor molecule mating has science, maturity of subtle notes; it takes a year to make a good vanilla extract by any manufacturer, it takes 10yrs to make one of my favorite scotch's. These 100% facts say everyone has different tastes and can be quite satisfied with their own likes but fact is fact. Maybe they would say their drinking wine/beer as soon as the yeast is mixed in.
and thats okay but hopefully they keep that to themselves and not state its quality flavoring that makes it ok-- guess what its not, there's no way to beat the science fact of maturity. 
Flavor molecule mating has science, maturity of subtle notes; it takes a year to make a good vanilla extract by any manufacturer, it takes 10yrs to make one of my favorite scotch's. These 100% facts say everyone has different tastes and can be quite satisfied with their own likes but fact is fact. Maybe they would say their drinking wine/beer as soon as the yeast is mixed in.
and thats okay but hopefully they keep that to themselves and not state its quality flavoring that makes it ok-- guess what its not, there's no way to beat the science fact of maturity. 
Ummmm...bad analogy...
We're not using small organisms to convert sugars to ethanol, nor are we extracting wood sugars out of solid barrel staves.
Can you come up with something along the lines of tea or powdered drink mix that makes the same point? Maybe a Mio reference for the young crowd?
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We're not using small organisms to convert sugars to ethanol, nor are we extracting wood sugars out of solid barrel staves.
Can you come up with something along the lines of tea or powdered drink mix that makes the same point? Maybe a Mio reference for the young crowd?
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How so, the extracted flavor from yeast, hops, or fruits, produce the flavor we enjoy in the end result. Flavor molecule blending, were flavor molecule blending. I said you can mix it that way but its called, "cream soda." aha
You understanding was bad analogous.
Ry4 dbl isn't assimilated true RY4 until steeped 3 weeks in.. Then some would argue it isn't RY4 only Ludo's made by Chang of dekang, distributed US by Janty at the beginning of vaping scene, is the true RY4.
If your only reference to steeping is RY4, I'm out of it.
I've never eaten, drank, or smoked an RY4 so the whole idea of making an RY4 to vape is completely foreign to my thought process. Why would I vape something that I have no idea what it's suppose to taste like and because of that there are numerous threads on ECF where vapers argue about what a "real" RY4 tastes like. It's an imaginary thing that means different things to different people, that much is fairly obvious, so taking a firm stance that it MUST be done one way just strikes me as heaping more silliness upon the subject.
If you think brewing or wine making is anything remotely like mixing flavorings with PG and VG, we'll never find common ground. Granted, it's been a few years since I've made beer, wine, and liquor, but I know the way I've found flavors come together with mixing for over 4 years is nothing like any process that uses yeast.
If steeping stuff makes you happy, that's great. Steep the blazes out of it and enjoy. I'm taking issue with you taking a stance that someone is doing their mixing/vaping wrong because they don't do it your way. And that your analogy is very poorly constructed. I'm real confident in my understanding of mixing and how flavors combine in mixing, so if your thought is that I don't understand flavors, flavoring, mixing, and combining to get a certain taste, then feel free to ask around and see how many agree with your apparent deduction.
I've never eaten, drank, or smoked an RY4 so the whole idea of making an RY4 to vape is completely foreign to my thought process. Why would I vape something that I have no idea what it's suppose to taste like and because of that there are numerous threads on ECF where vapers argue about what a "real" RY4 tastes like. It's an imaginary thing that means different things to different people, that much is fairly obvious, so taking a firm stance that it MUST be done one way just strikes me as heaping more silliness upon the subject.
If you think brewing or wine making is anything remotely like mixing flavorings with PG and VG, we'll never find common ground. Granted, it's been a few years since I've made beer, wine, and liquor, but I know the way I've found flavors come together with mixing for over 4 years is nothing like any process that uses yeast.
If steeping stuff makes you happy, that's great. Steep the blazes out of it and enjoy. I'm taking issue with you taking a stance that someone is doing their mixing/vaping wrong because they don't do it your way. And that your analogy is very poorly constructed. I'm real confident in my understanding of mixing and how flavors combine in mixing, so if your thought is that I don't understand flavors, flavoring, mixing, and combining to get a certain taste, then feel free to ask around and see how many agree with your apparent deduction.
These 100% facts say everyone has different tastes and can be quite satisfied with their own likes but fact is fact. Maybe they would say their drinking wine/beer as soon as the yeast is mixed in.
Fact - Age has an affect on flavor when the origin itself in changing/aging/fermenting, like with grains, fruits, etc. Their compositions are actually changing.
Opinion - Aging a mix is best.
Fact - No one perceives flavors the same. Thus, you're perception of what is good is not the same as other's.
What? - "There's no way to beat the science fact of maturity."
Are you saying that it's a scientific fact that 1) things age/mature? 2) age/maturity makes flavors better?
1 is a fact; 2 is an opinion.
"Beginner Mixing Tip" says a lot.
I think it is wiser to listen to the pros myself but to each his/her own.
I think it is wiser to listen to the pros myself but to each his/her own.
There's another subject for debate. The world is full of self-appointed pros/experts. Go to any forum on any topic, just turn on your television...political pundits (sic)...but since we're in this forum...I see a lot of people here who perceive certain individuals as experts to the point of idolatry. If I go around repeating something that I heard my perceived experts say....does this likewise make me an expert or a fool?
expert/fool...all the same.
I do enjoy reading your words. You're an expert with words, or does that make you a fool? I already know I'm a fool.
Some juice just fine as soon as mixed, some juice will turn rancid after a steep.
To taste what is considered a close match to the original RY4 it takes 3 weeks, sometimes less sometimes more. It definitely is tasty straight off but it has not developed into its true flavor profile.
When your young you make a rudimentary pie its the best pie ever and thats fine..
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It's how I learned from reading the pro's advice on flavors and how they react when 1st mixed or to steeping. There would not be pages & pages of people trying to trick the steeping process with ultrasonic cleaners if it did not offer a reward. So you can take advice from pro's or so called pro's like hoosier presents himself with a grain of salt or let it be the education and knowledge you make your e juice with. It still will be a tasty adventure..
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Lol holy shiz yes and no, its exactly what I am saying without aging there would not be many good flavor extracts.
It takes 6 months to a year to make vanilla extract; it takes a year to make many delicate flavor extracts. Then we buy it thinking it just came off the press into a vial and into our hands. No--predominantly aged. Some extractions happen fast, like coffee for example you can extract that in less that 10 secs. Same goes for our e juice some flavors good str8 off. Heck Loranns banana you dont even have to mix it just vape it str8 from the extract bottle; but let that extract steep in its own bottle after opening it for a year and it blossoms into a majestic banana extract. BTw Its really really good after steeping for year loranns watermelon too.. lol
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