Beginner mixing tip - I just learned

[RocketPuppy]

So much wrong information in this thread, it's a wonder how your able to use a computer let alone think you understand blending molecule process but yet using excuses like learn how to mix right or its an artificial.

Just as there are people who harm others and people who do stupid, I understand there is no way to get through to ya that the molecules take time to marriage and those forum post with ultrasonic cleaner tricks and methods to speed up the marriage process; so those people are just dumb noobs. So many vendors who specialize in steeping -- they have no idea what they are doing, they also are just noobs.


Ok over and out yall know it all.

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You can disagree with anyone you want, but please cease the snide remarks.

 

[AmandaD]

Just because a 'vendor' sells juice doesn't make them an expert - imo. There are plenty of experts who do not sell juice and have been making it a lot longer than some vendors.

I'm another who came to DIY because I found most vendors juice to be overflavored and disappointing. I've dabbled in steeping every which way from Sunday. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. There is no right or wrong - there is only what tastes good to you.

I've learned everything I know about DIY from members on this forum, and thanks to them I've made some amazing juice - much, much better than anything I ever bought (and I bought a lot).

And, as RocketPuppy said, attacking others for their views is unnecessary.

 

[Blueser]

I'm right and everyone else is wrong...now, does anyone have an extra halo they aren't using...

 

[Visus]

I never disagreed with any likes, my statement, "that the flavors medley become more transient with steeping some for the better some for the worse."
Then a whole lot of impatient diy'ers chime in you dont know what your doing I mix perfectly and you dont visus your a noob; ok, yes still a noob but patient everyone in the vape scene can be considered a noob at mixing e juice its so new and quantitative in methods. If you never taste what some flavors offer with steeping and thats fine, have it your way... I like juices like RY4 or DKtab/555 that at 1st taste they do not represent their actual flavoring they are in the ballpark or down the street but not on the field. Steeping brings them to 1st base and back to home plate depending on steep times..

The people who assumed I was stating every juice needs steeping need to go back and read posts. Some juices are great str8 off, they hardly change even with a steep. Some juice like creamy juices ry4's etc become something else after intial 1st day tasting effect on your taste buds and there is no amount of mixing more or less that can provide those changes other than steeping; Thats 100% fact.

 

[Hoosier]

Some juice like creamy juices ry4's etc become something else after intial 1st day tasting effect on your taste buds and there is no amount of mixing more or less that can provide those changes other than steeping; Thats 100% fact.

So, this is 100% fact for all flavorings in all mixes at any flavoring %?

Care to provide any empirical evidence? Any 100% fact has lots of empirical evidence behind it, otherwise it's less than 100%, and I'd really like to see it.

 

[Visus]

Just for a recorded on ecf numerous times example, those those who think a steep is not needed..
Boba's Bounty, many will upon 1st opening say ewww thats nasty and many fans of BB will say give it a week or two then try it again. They try it again and are won over by complex offerings at that steep point.

DK TaB was my first lesson in this process of steeping I thought it was chemically and there is no way this many people can say its their adv, there's sabotage and conspiracy going on here. So many posted, "visus give it a week or two try it again--I did and its awesome... But no, Dekang has no idea what the are doing mixing juice like that, if it was made by these miracle worker posters it should be good right away because they have that magic mixing percentage.

 

[Hoosier]

You do realize that you are posting more about pre-mixed in a DIY sub and using that for facts about mixing your own?

You don't see any disconnect there?

Most of us are mixing because we don't like vendors' juices. That includes the "high end" vendors. And you may be surprised how many of them learned to mix right here. You might be even further surprised how many learned mixing from me. They mix to the way they like and they just might be perfectly happy with a juice that needs to steep and feel no need to keep fiddling with the mix to see if they can make it so steeping isn't required. And that's cool, but it's their stuff.

We're on the 100% fact that steeping does wondrous things that only steeping can do and how I am not accepting that as fact and am asking nicely for empirical evidence for all flavorings at all different flavoring %'s so I can see for myself that over 50 months of things I've learned from mixing my own great juice is wrong. This factual evidence, not hearsay based on some brand or specific flavoring of some brand, is what I'm asking about.

 

[Visus]

You do realize that you are posting more about pre-mixed in a DIY sub and using that for facts about mixing your own?

You don't see any disconnect there?

Most of us are mixing because we don't like vendors' juices. That includes the "high end" vendors. And you may be surprised how many of them learned to mix right here. You might be even further surprised how many learned mixing from me. They mix to the way they like and they just might be perfectly happy with a juice that needs to steep and feel no need to keep fiddling with the mix to see if they can make it so steeping isn't required. And that's cool, but it's their stuff.

We're on the 100% fact that steeping does wondrous things that only steeping can do and how I am not accepting that as fact and am asking nicely for empirical evidence for all flavorings at all different flavoring %'s so I can see for myself that over 50 months of things I've learned from mixing my own great juice is wrong. This factual evidence, not hearsay based on some brand or specific flavoring of some brand, is what I'm asking about.

I guess many of them are lucky they did not learn how to mix from you. There not high end vendors because of your advice and that shows with sales of steeped juices. I cannot convey to you what you already assume to know as you assumed to know about wine making. ya dont...

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[Hoosier]

It obvious your knowledge far outstrips mine. You have my utmost respect for your mastery accomplished in such a short time. There can be no counter from me to such a wealth of evidence in that last post.

I'm quite glad you know so much about mixing and juice, not to mention wine and beer making. I suspect you'll be a large volume vendor in the very near future.

My beer skills are only from those crappy kits you can buy at Walmart. The wine I helped with was just strawberry and watermelon that we made just to keep the crop from going completely to waste. I know you have made much better with your much superior knowledge.

My hat is off to you Visus, it is not many who best me in a disagreement.

 

[Visus]

Experience and experimentation process the flesh of the how to's and what-nots of produce.

Some people love maddog 20/20, some cannot stomach even the smell of it: <vice versa> . Who's tastes are better, more exquisite, can be argued indeed; it's not the promotion of exclusivity quest by me here in diy land this thread, to me its trying to hit a vendors recipe or its natural essence in organic nature, so I understand what your saying but I myself like to hit those recipes organic natural or vended blend, that kind mimicry is fun, mistakes along the way or not.

 

[RocketPuppy]

Edit: self edit

 

[Dogeggs]

This thread makes me feel dumber every time i read it. There is a lesson here though, don't be a ....

 

[Shilo]

Guess there won't be any hand holding and KUMBAYA singing anytime soon in this thread. You're going to ruffle some feathers when you squabble with a well respected long time DIYer who knows what he's talking about. I've noticed on occasion people like to ask questions for the sole purpose of agitating by disagreeing with sound advice given. This is one of those threads guys.

 

[Blueser]

Guess there won't be any hand holding and KUMBAYA singing anytime soon in this thread. You're going to ruffle some feathers when you squabble with a well respected long time DIYer who knows what he's talking about. I've noticed on occasion people like to ask questions for the sole purpose of agitating by disagreeing with sound advice given. This is one of those threads guys.

I kinda like a little back and forth (no ruffled feathers here) although I must admit I was having a little (lot) of trouble following exactly what was being argued...but I know for certain it wasn't humility...and I reckon I might be one of those occasional agitators ...mostly to the extent that I find pretentiousness a nauseating quality (sic)

 

[Visus]

You can disagree with anyone you want, but please cease the snide remarks.

You can disagree with anyone you want, but please cease the snide remarks.
refer to above post

 

[RocketPuppy]

Edit: whoops

 

[jmunk]

So what your saying is I should not air out my nic juice to remove the pepper smell and instead purchase a higher quality nicotine base. Thank you for the that. I feel like a jerk starting an argument between all of you and not participating sooner. I did just mix up a recipe I made 2 weeks ago and was surprised it tasted the exact same.

 

[AmandaD]

So what your saying is I should not air out my nic juice to remove the pepper smell and instead purchase a higher quality nicotine base. Thank you for the that. I feel like a jerk starting an argument between all of you and not participating sooner. I did just mix up a recipe I made 2 weeks ago and was surprised it tasted the exact same.

WL makes good nic - it's all I have at the moment! But did you say what strength you vape? I generally make between 6-12mg, and haven't noticed it being particularly peppery. I literally make the base, add the flavoring, and half the time vape right away.

Have you tested your nic first in pg, then in vg to see if either of those are the culprit? I believe I read somewhere where somebody's pg or vg was funky. Might be worth a try?

 

[Hoosier]

So what your saying is I should not air out my nic juice to remove the pepper smell and instead purchase a higher quality nicotine base.

That would be my recommendation. Probably the best for the $ right now is Vapers Tek. Some folks are surprised the difference a good quality flavorless nic makes in their mixes.

 

[jmunk]

WL makes good nic - it's all I have at the moment! But did you say what strength you vape? I generally make between 6-12mg, and haven't noticed it being particularly peppery. I literally make the base, add the flavoring, and half the time vape right away.

Have you tested your nic first in pg, then in vg to see if either of those are the culprit? I believe I read somewhere where somebody's pg or vg was funky. Might be worth a try?

Its the nic base, when I open the bottle I smell the pepper. Thats why I let it air out for 24-48 hours and now the pepper smell is completely gone. I also drip at 6%