Are you not barraged with television ads for pharmaceuticals in Ireland?
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Are you not barraged with television ads for pharmaceuticals in Ireland?
You're stating my case better than I did
Yes, overprescription is rife, and possibly the medicalisation of conditions that are not really medical (in many cases at least). Perhaps all the kids taking Ritalin for ADHD is a good example. But aye, let's leave it.
FYI, Tobacco Absolute is one of the ingredients in at least some of PureSmoker's Tonic line of eLiquid, which is made in their U.S. lab and is the best eLiquid I've ever vaped.
Does anyone know if Tobacco Absolute contains WTA?
They don't say which one has Tobacco Absolute. What is L-Nicotine?
Absolut has absolutely none (or very very little) WTA; it's basically a flavoring only extract.
L-Nicotine - natural nicotine; the L identifies the handedness of the molecule, which way the molecule's spatial geometry is arranged. The techy term is chirality. As one might expect, the geometric arrangment of a molecule's atoms can have a major bearing on its chemical interactions. Interestingly, the reason why chirality occurs (not always 50/50) is not well understood, although there are some theories.
You might now be wondering if it is conceivable that chirality could have been introduced by the irradiation of molecules as they traveled through the universe while adsorbed on a magnetized substrate in a dust cloud, meteor or comet. If so, some recent research backs up this idea.
"Rosenberg used X-rays from the Advanced Photon Source to bombard chiral molecules adsorbed on a magnetic substrate and x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy to track changes in the molecular bonds.
He found that changing the magnetization direction in relation to the high-intensity X-ray beam created an excess of one chirality over another. Changing the magnetization direction reverses the spin polarization of the secondary, or low-energy, electrons emitted from the substance."
DOE/Argonne National Laboratory (2008, December 2). Possible Mechanism For Creating 'Handedness' In Biological Molecules.
L-Nicotine - natural nicotine; the L identifies the handedness of the molecule, which way the molecule's spatial geometry is arranged. The techy term is chirality. As one might expect, the geometric arrangment of a molecule's atoms can have a major bearing on its chemical interactions. Interestingly, the reason why chirality occurs (not always 50/50) is not well understood, although there are some theories.
You might now be wondering if it is conceivable that chirality could have been introduced by the irradiation of molecules as they traveled through the universe while adsorbed on a magnetized substrate in a dust cloud, meteor or comet. If so, some recent research backs up this idea.
"Rosenberg used X-rays from the Advanced Photon Source to bombard chiral molecules adsorbed on a magnetic substrate and x-ray photoelectron spectroscopy to track changes in the molecular bonds.
He found that changing the magnetization direction in relation to the high-intensity X-ray beam created an excess of one chirality over another. Changing the magnetization direction reverses the spin polarization of the secondary, or low-energy, electrons emitted from the substance."
DOE/Argonne National Laboratory (2008, December 2). Possible Mechanism For Creating 'Handedness' In Biological Molecules.
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You should be able to find out the answer on either:
1. The PureSmoker subforum here on ECF, or
2. pure-smokers.com (PS' company-owned forum)
Why is WTA liquid so difficult to obtain? This seems like a goldmine. Why wouldn't vendors be all over this?
If BT is perfecting this in their labs, and they roll out devices with WTA liquid cartridges, they will pretty much instantly crush the existing PV companies. Imagine the massive profits as existing PV users abandon traditional eLiquid in favor of BT's highly marked-up "government approved" WTA liquid cartridges.
Add the inevitable steep taxes on "government approved" cartridges, and vapers have a healthier delivery system, but are back where they started financially as smokers...getting gouged.
Personally, I would prefer that the money flow to innovative small businesses already in the industry (instead of to BT and the government), but this script is pretty much already written.
If BT is perfecting this in their labs, and they roll out devices with WTA liquid cartridges, they will pretty much instantly crush the existing PV companies. Imagine the massive profits as existing PV users abandon traditional eLiquid in favor of BT's highly marked-up "government approved" WTA liquid cartridges.
Add the inevitable steep taxes on "government approved" cartridges, and vapers have a healthier delivery system, but are back where they started financially as smokers...getting gouged.
Personally, I would prefer that the money flow to innovative small businesses already in the industry (instead of to BT and the government), but this script is pretty much already written.
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If only it was that simple; I mean logical. But who knows, it might happen ...
But sadly I doubt it without a major campaign force. Political dynamics is determined by the the major players (vested interests)
Then there would be endless wrangling about the safety of the many alkaloids that would be present (assuming extraction rather than nic + PF say); although to my mind removal of tar and combustion is such a big reduction in potential harm that the realities say put this on the market now as an alternative to smoking.
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Not yet. Pretty sure i have both FP and Valerian as dried plant but probably too old now so will proly need to get some more.
Non-vapable (no gas phase) but interesting in this regard is theanine (an amino acid found in tea):
Able to cross the blood-brain barrier, theanine has psychoactive properties.[5] Theanine has been shown to reduce mental and physical stress[6], and improves cognition and mood in a synergistic manner with caffeine.[7]
While structurally related to the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate, theanine only has weak affinity for the glutamate receptor on post-synaptic cells.[8] Rather, its primary effect seems to increase the overall level of the brain inhibitory transmitter GABA. Theanine also increases brain dopamine levels and has micromolar affinities for AMPA, kainate and NMDA receptors.[9] Its effect on serotonin is still a matter of debate in the scientific community, with studies showing increases and decreases in brain serotonin levels using similar experimental protocols.[10][11] It has also been found that injecting spontaneously hypertensive mice with theanine significantly lowered levels of 5-hydroxyindoles in the brain.[12] Researchers also speculate that it may inhibit glutamic acid excitotoxicity.[9] Theanine also promotes alpha wave production in the brain.[5]
Studies on test rats have shown that even repeated, extremely high doses of theanine cause little to no harmful psychological or physical effects.[13] Theanine showed neuroprotective effects in one rat study.[14]
Several beverage manufacturers are selling drinks containing theanine and are marketing them as drinks that help people focus and concentrate,[15] while other manufacturers claim relaxing and tranquillizing properties.[16] -- Theanine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I like the idea that something could be relaxing without being sedating and (perhaps thereby) also able to increase focus at the same time. Theanine sorta suggests that there might exist such botanicals.
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This really brings out the geek in me, kinabaloo.
Check this out...
Suntheanine Research
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
A nice cup of tea. I drink about five cups of tea a day, if not more. When I'm done with my coffee in the AM (very good souce of MAOI). And I only use whole leaf tea and freshly ground coffee beans; that stuff in tea bags is tea dust.
Nesf, just a follow-up question, did you get your snus?
I've used all kinds of herbs discussed in this thread and here's what works for me, for what it's worth. YMMV.
I use Swedish snus and dissolvable tobacco for my Whole Tobacco Alkaloids. Not much, I use mini portions and Ariva (or 1/2 of a Stonewall), never more than 2-3 times a day. Vaping is not enough for me, I vape mostly for my hand to mouth fixation, the muscle memory thing, and some nicotine, but it doesn't really scratch my itch. I also like Kava or Rhodiola Rosaea, or St. John's Wort, once in a while, not all together. And I drink a cup of herb tea, sometimes, with Passion Flower. Valerian is helpful too. These herbs are in my cupboard and I reach for them when I need to relax without getting sedated. I don't use any of them regularly, but I like them all.
And I'm a big fan of Nhaler's Lung Juices. Here are the ingredients (in addition to 12 mg nicotine):
Elecampane Root and Flower
Mulletein leaf
Osha Root
Yerba Mansa(whole Plant)
Yerba Santa Leaf
Dandelion Leaf
Licorice root
Lobelia Root
A water extraction tincture of Cordyceps
Reishi Mushroom Alcohol Extraction
In a base of pure grain alcohol, distilled water and vegetable glycerin.
Drew's Sleepy Time Green Tea contains all the above ingredients plus Melatonin, Valerian root and Damiana root extracts. It's a very relaxing nighttime vape. The taste is rather unique, I find it very soothing. Sometimes I add a drop of PF to the mixture. Placebo? Maybe, but it works for me, and that's all that counts in the end, doesn't it?
Nesf, just a follow-up question, did you get your snus?
I've used all kinds of herbs discussed in this thread and here's what works for me, for what it's worth. YMMV.
I use Swedish snus and dissolvable tobacco for my Whole Tobacco Alkaloids. Not much, I use mini portions and Ariva (or 1/2 of a Stonewall), never more than 2-3 times a day. Vaping is not enough for me, I vape mostly for my hand to mouth fixation, the muscle memory thing, and some nicotine, but it doesn't really scratch my itch. I also like Kava or Rhodiola Rosaea, or St. John's Wort, once in a while, not all together. And I drink a cup of herb tea, sometimes, with Passion Flower. Valerian is helpful too. These herbs are in my cupboard and I reach for them when I need to relax without getting sedated. I don't use any of them regularly, but I like them all.
And I'm a big fan of Nhaler's Lung Juices. Here are the ingredients (in addition to 12 mg nicotine):
Elecampane Root and Flower
Mulletein leaf
Osha Root
Yerba Mansa(whole Plant)
Yerba Santa Leaf
Dandelion Leaf
Licorice root
Lobelia Root
A water extraction tincture of Cordyceps
Reishi Mushroom Alcohol Extraction
In a base of pure grain alcohol, distilled water and vegetable glycerin.
Drew's Sleepy Time Green Tea contains all the above ingredients plus Melatonin, Valerian root and Damiana root extracts. It's a very relaxing nighttime vape. The taste is rather unique, I find it very soothing. Sometimes I add a drop of PF to the mixture. Placebo? Maybe, but it works for me, and that's all that counts in the end, doesn't it?
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No, it's illegal to advertise prescription drugs directly to consumers here. They can advertise them to doctors though.
Are you saying that coffee is a source of MAOI?
Katya, which Swedish snus do you use, how much does it cost, where do you buy it (and is that sourcing affected by PACT)?
I would greatly appreciate any input you (or any other forum participants) can provide.
Kinabaloo, are all these things actually vapable (i.e., do they have a gas phase)?
Doesn't mean that the drugs don't work for the actual conditions though, just that they're prescribed to those without the condition.
Oh, how I wish it were like that in the U.S. I think maybe the laws changed here sometime in the 1990's, because that is when it seems like we started getting bombarded with prescription drug advertisements on television, in magazines, etc. At this point, the average television viewer in the U.S. has probably concluded that pharmaceuticals are the answer for everything.
The shuffling masses are oblivious to the twisted logic of a drugged population demonizing non-pharma nicotine consumption.
If nicotine liquid and Swedish snus were marked up to about 10x the current price, offered only by prescription, and covered by insurance, then people would probably look upon nicotine consumers with approval.
Then, they would go off to resume the debate over how to control soaring healthcare costs.
Oh, how I wish it were like that in the U.S. I think maybe the laws changed here sometime in the 1990's, because that is when it seems like we started getting bombarded with prescription drug advertisements on television, in magazines, etc. At this point, the average television viewer in the U.S. has probably concluded that pharmaceuticals are the answer for everything.
The shuffling masses are oblivious to the twisted logic of a drugged population demonizing non-pharma nicotine consumption.
If nicotine liquid and Swedish snus were marked up to about 10x the current price, offered only by prescription, and covered by insurance, then people would probably look upon nicotine consumers with approval.
Then, they would go off to resume the debate over how to control soaring healthcare costs.
The advertising of prescription drugs to consumers in the States is pretty much held up as an example of how not to do it in the Europe. You guys done ....ed up etc. Even advertising to doctors brings problems though, so our solution isn't perfect either.
Are you saying that coffee is a source of MAOI?
Very much so. What can be better than a cup of coffee and a cigarette?
Katya, which Swedish snus do you use, how much does it cost, where do you buy it (and is that sourcing affected by PACT)?
I use mini white portions, General mini mint, anything Fellini, Roda Lacket. I don't care for the tobacco flavors, my favorites are mints, eucalyptus and licorice, in that order. I used to buy them from Northerner and SnusCentral. Right now my freezer is full, so I don't know exactly how PACT is affecting the sales, but almost everything is still available, just the prices of course went up, USPS can't deliver your packages so UPS is getting rich, and we have to pay taxes. Oh, signature and age verification required upon delivery. I used to pay 2-3 bucks for a can of 24 portions. No idea what the actual prices are now, with the tax and the UPS delivery.
I would greatly appreciate any input you (or any other forum participants) can provide.
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I got some snus, it's taking some getting used to. I'm using it a bit and finding it alright, but not for MAOIs since I was put on an anti-depressant anyway to deal with an already present depression and that seems to be dealing with the post-quitting depression thankfully.
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