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LibertariaNate

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Have you ever bought homemade ice cream at a fair, at a rest stop, at a mom-and-pop gas station? Anywhere?

Did you like the people who sold it to you? Do you know them at all? You win at Wisconsin! -Magnus

No... I makes my own ice cream! :) Very tasty too, if I do say so myself.

I know Kristen is from Wisconsin. I was just poking fun.
 

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I know at least 3 people who have cognative and emotional issues without nicotine and MAOIs. They cannot function nicotine free - they are more miserable without nicotine and it is NOT better for them. So, unfortunately, we can't "all agree" that it's better to be nicotine free. Smoke-free, yes.

I have a strong interest in this. I have never had a problem not smoking since I started vaping (once I resolved my own "start-up" issues). Had I started with better hardware, and been more knowledgable about liquid availability, I would have not smoked at all from my first use of an e-cig. As it was, I smoked only about 6 packs during my first 2 months, and I have been 100% smoke-free since.

However... I am now taking anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication; the startup of of these issues coincided exactly with when I quit smoking, and persist. I have never needed such medication in the past. I had depression issues many years, but that was resolved with counseling (and I was smoking at the time). Some of it is understandable due to stresses in my personal life (the economy, my job situation, etc.), but I feel strongly that it might also be somewhat related to having been a 40+ year smoker.

I would like to investigate the use of MAOIs to "self-medicate" for this; in fact, my doctor suggested I try St. John's Wort. I would certainly prefer a more "organic" approach to depression management. I have also considered snus, and from what I've read, I'm fairly sure they would be beneficial. However, I believe I would find a more personally preferable solution in a whole-tobacco extract liquid, that includes the full spectrum of tobacco alkaloids contained in other forms of tobacco substitues such as snus.

Your thoughts, Kristin?
 

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There is no such thing as "gunked up beyond all cleaning" once you learn to properly do dry burns.
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This is true, but more difficult on a tank atty (unless you have the patience and persistence to take the thing apart). Also, my ego batts all have the 5x lock, so I can't do the dry burns where you click on and off to sustain the glow (which always worked REALLY well for my 510's) because the battery locks. I guess I could throw the tank atties on one of my 510 bats and do it that way, but really, it's easier just to keep them cleaned regularly.
 

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I used to be on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety. The road of my life led me into some research on nutrition and pharmaceuticals and knowing what I had learned, I could not spend one more day putting those things (pharmaceuticals) in my body. I started eating better (at least one big, green, leafy salad a day, no aspartame, no hydrogenated oils, etc...) and taking 5-HTP (WONDERFUL anti-depressant), 5000 IUs of D3 (another great anti-depressant) and some other supplements based on what my body was lacking. I never touched another pharma drug after that and never needed to (besides the occasional ibuprofen for headaches or tendinitis). I'd recommend looking into more holistic approaches - there's a wealth of info on The Internets :) I can dig up some sites if you're interested.

I have a strong interest in this. I have never had a problem not smoking since I started vaping (once I resolved my own "start-up" issues). Had I started with better hardware, and been more knowledgable about liquid availability, I would have not smoked at all from my first use of an e-cig. As it was, I smoked only about 6 packs during my first 2 months, and I have been 100% smoke-free since.

However... I am now taking anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication; the startup of of these issues coincided exactly with when I quit smoking, and persist. I have never needed such medication in the past. I had depression issues many years, but that was resolved with counseling (and I was smoking at the time). Some of it is understandable due to stresses in my personal life (the economy, my job situation, etc.), but I feel strongly that it might also be somewhat related to having been a 40+ year smoker.

I would like to investigate the use of MAOIs to "self-medicate" for this; in fact, my doctor suggested I try St. John's Wort. I would certainly prefer a more "organic" approach to depression management. I have also considered snus, and from what I've read, I'm fairly sure they would be beneficial. However, I believe I would find a more personally preferable solution in a whole-tobacco extract liquid, that includes the full spectrum of tobacco alkaloids contained in other forms of tobacco substitues such as snus.

Your thoughts, Kristin?
 

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I used to be on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety. The road of my life led me into some research on nutrition and pharmaceuticals and knowing what I had learned, I could not spend one more day putting those things (pharmaceuticals) in my body. I started eating better (at least one big, green, leafy salad a day, no aspartame, no hydrogenated oils, etc...) and taking 5-HTP (WONDERFUL anti-depressant), 5000 IUs of D3 (another great anti-depressant) and some other supplements based on what my body was lacking. I never touched another pharma drug after that and never needed to (besides the occasional ibuprofen for headaches or tendinitis). I'd recommend looking into more holistic approaches - there's a wealth of info on The Internets :) I can dig up some sites if you're interested.

I'm definitely interested. I recall reading that another member, who has a chemistry background, had developed a method for a WTA tobacco extraction (Dvap, I believe), and there was some talk of a vendor that was going to start selling a WTA liquid. I need to locate those threads again. Since I'm DIY-ing now, a WTA liquid additive would be ideal.
 

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I used to be on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety. The road of my life led me into some research on nutrition and pharmaceuticals and knowing what I had learned, I could not spend one more day putting those things (pharmaceuticals) in my body. I started eating better (at least one big, green, leafy salad a day, no aspartame, no hydrogenated oils, etc...) and taking 5-HTP (WONDERFUL anti-depressant), 5000 IUs of D3 (another great anti-depressant) and some other supplements based on what my body was lacking. I never touched another pharma drug after that and never needed to (besides the occasional ibuprofen for headaches or tendinitis). I'd recommend looking into more holistic approaches - there's a wealth of info on The Internets :) I can dig up some sites if you're interested.

+1 on the 5-HTP and Vit. D

I worked in the Nutritional Supplement industry for 6 years. They have to deal with even more FDA issues than vapers do. Amino acids like Tryptophan (no longer available in the US), phenylalanine (avoid if you have phenylketoneurics, are taking an MAOI, or have high blood pressure) can be helpful. Then of course there are the old standbys of St. John's Wort and SAM-E.

I should add that 5-HTP is a metabolite of Tryptophan and is required for the production of seratonin.
 
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No... I makes my own ice cream! :) Very tasty too, if I do say so myself.

Your from Wisconsin? Cool, I wouldn't have guessed that with Utah written all over you. Schweeeet...

I know Kristen is from Wisconsin. I was just poking fun.

I was too.. although that's my second Wisconsin jab and she hasn't responded to either so I better lay off before she cripples me. -Magnus
 

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I always end any cleaning I do with 190-proof Everclear. It serves to remove any traces of water and cleaners, and dries quickly. I've also started to use it around the house as a general substitute for isopropyl.

Moisture prevention in electronics is far to ingrained with me I guess. ;)

And Everclear is easier to come by than 99% Isopropyl.. but if you've got a choice I still go w/ the later. Les chance of me drinking the cleaners. -Magnus
 
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Your from Wisconsin? Cool, I wouldn't have guessed that with Utah written all over you. Schweeeet...

Maybe in a different life. :)

I did live in St. Pete for a couple years though. I was born and raised in Utah, moved to St. Pete, then to San Diego, and back full circle to Utah.
 

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And Everclear is easier to come by than 99% Isopropyl.. but if you've got a choice I still go w/ the later. Let chance of me drinking the cleaners. -Magnus

That's why I choose the latter... I figure it's a safer option to be used on something I'll be ingesting from. But I can understand not wanting drinkable alchohol around.

If you have a Fry's around, you can find 99% iso in the soldering/PCB chemicals area, and possibly in other electronics supply stores.
 

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I'm definitely interested. I recall reading that another member, who has a chemistry background, had developed a method for a WTA tobacco extraction (Dvap, I believe), and there was some talk of a vendor that was going to start selling a WTA liquid. I need to locate those threads again. Since I'm DIY-ing now, a WTA liquid additive would be ideal.

It's Vapelicious Blog « Vape Store & DIY Flavor Blog I don't think he has any products out yet. I signed up with his newsletter, even wrote him, and he hasn't replied. If you in the first 25 people to "Like" his facebook page, you get a free sample. i was number 15 to sign up. I contacted him telling him i'd like a free sample of his Whole Tobacco alkaloids. He hasn't responded. I contacted DVAP and he signed up too.. Don't know if Dvap has heard from him, but Dvap wanted to get his hands on a sample to test it.
 
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