Beware of the Quit Smoking Purists

[LibertariaNate]

I miss Fry's. It's one really big toy store...

 

[Randyrtx]

It's Vapelicious Blog « Vape Store & DIY Flavor Blog I don't think he has any products out yet. I signed up with his newsletter, even wrote him, and he hasn't replied. If you in the first 25 people to "Like" his facebook page, you get a free sample. i was number 15 to sign up. I contacted him telling him i'd like a free sample of his Whole tobacco alkaloids. He hasn't responded. I contacted DVAP and he signed up too.. Don't know if Dvap has heard from him, but Dvap wanted to get his hands on a sample to test it.

Ah, I see you were following it too! I'd forgotten that I actually finally signed up on Facebook in order to "like" that blog. Just sent in a message to add my name to the list of those interested in WTA liquid.

The latest blog post is very interesting. I had hoped it would be suitable for mixing, glad to hear that confirmed.

 

[John Phoenix]

i didn't read the blog post till just now. That cheezy so and so !! Now he states:

" To clarify my original sale:

Well, I still need 25 fans at this point. Facebook sets that number in order to let you operate the page fully. It used to be 1,000..

The point was to give people an extra 12ml if they both placed an order over $25 and gave me a “like” on facebook."
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that was NOT how the older page stated things.. it said you could get the sample by doing one or the other.. or at least it read that way. I have a copy of it and it doesn't read like you have to do Both things.

Edit: i aint placing a 25 dollar order with that guy for a first time buy.. he's out of his mind.. I want to know that stuff works if i'm gonna spend that kind of dough.

Ah, I see you were following it too! I'd forgotten that I actually finally signed up on Facebook in order to "like" that blog. Just sent in a message to add my name to the list of those interested in WTA liquid.

The latest blog post is very interesting. I had hoped it would be suitable for mixing, glad to hear that confirmed.

 

[Randyrtx]

I agree... I'm quite happy with my own mixes right now. I would consider buying WTA liquid, however, preferably after Dvap has had a chance to test it.

 

[phonedude]

OT newb question. as if anyone knows what the topic is anymore.

nevermind I figured it out LOL

 

[John Phoenix]

READ THIS POST !!! FDA BANS ALL E-CIGS AND tobacco PRODUCTS FOR ONLINE SALES !!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...elled-our-account-because-fda-regulation.html

Lets dig and find out the truth behind this!

Nevermind.. Looks like a Joke.. LOL Er.. well if anyone would have gotten to the bottom of this you folks would have done it !

 

[JuiceJunkie]

READ THIS POST !!! FDA BANS ALL E-CIGS AND TOBACCO PRODUCTS FOR ONLINE SALES !!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...elled-our-account-because-fda-regulation.html

Lets dig and find out the truth behind this!

Nevermind.. Looks like a Joke.. LOL Er.. well if anyone would have gotten to the bottom of this you folks would have done it !

I was not able to find anything new other than the April 25th article on the FDA site. Sick people to post that crap!

 

[MagnusEunson]

While I also called Chase Paymentech and they said there is nothing new the know of don't forget:

Obama Signs Law Regulating Online Cigarette Sales - American Lung Association

So if the FDA and Feds decide to enforce something, between the above and their own letters outbound, they'd certainly use PACT. And PACT is how they're shutting down further discussion of online cigarette sales (which cigars and pipes are exempt for some reason).

I don't think it's true but if it is, keep an eye on PACT's future development and extensions (which the FDA said they'd be pursuing)... -Magnus

 

[JuiceJunkie]

I know...maybe it was one of the "others"... lol
EDIT: nevermind...OP registered long before this started

 

[John Phoenix]

My question is why e-cigs would fall under PACT? The reason for the taxes is because tobacco causes harm is it not? E-cigs do not kill like tobacco.. You say cigars and pipes are exempt.. could e-cigs be exempt in the same way also?

While I also called Chase Paymentech and they said there is nothing new the know of don't forget:

Obama Signs Law Regulating Online Cigarette Sales - American Lung Association

So if the FDA and Feds decide to enforce something, between the above and their own letters outbound, they'd certainly use PACT. And PACT is how they're shutting down further discussion of online cigarette sales (which cigars and pipes are exempt for some reason).

I don't think it's true but if it is, keep an eye on PACT's future development and extensions (which the FDA said they'd be pursuing)... -Magnus

 

[phonedude]

don't think i've ever seen anyone MOVE ON that quickly. lol

 

[DVap]

a quick FYI... I've been in touch with the guy who's looking to sell a WTA liquid commercially. My impression is that he went public prematurely and has had to back off as he works out production details (process scale, consistency, etc).

He understands that a lot of folks are looking to me for an evaluation of his WTA, and he's willing to make a sample available, but for the moment, I believe he's taking care of more basic items surrounding his production process.

Currently, I believe he's balancing the need to get the word out (he admits he was overly hasty) against the need for confidentiality as he tweaks the process. If and when I get a sample to evaluate, I'll let everybody know what I think for better or worse.

 

[JuiceJunkie]

My question is why e-cigs would fall under PACT? The reason for the taxes is because tobacco causes harm is it not? E-cigs do not kill like tobacco.. You say cigars and pipes are exempt.. could e-cigs be exempt in the same way also?

Before I started vaping, I was buying mini-cigars (flavored) from Washington via the internet. Not sure why cigars and pipe tobacco are exempt other than they are not as common. Never really looked into the why before really. Maybe I should.

 

[Randyrtx]

a quick FYI... I've been in touch with the guy who's looking to sell a WTA liquid commercially. My impression is that he went public prematurely and has had to back off as he works out production details (process scale, consistency, etc).

He understands that a lot of folks are looking to me for an evaluation of his WTA, and he's willing to make a sample available, but for the moment, I believe he's taking care of more basic items surrounding his production process.

Currently, I believe he's balancing the need to get the word out (he admits he was overly hasty) against the need for confidentiality as he tweaks the process. If and when I get a sample to evaluate, I'll let everybody know what I think for better or worse.

Thanks for the info DVap!

 

[John Phoenix]

Thanks for the update Dvap!

remember when i sent you over there to sign up for his facebook? Dind't you get the impression also that it was either or.. you didn't have to do both buy 25 bucks worth of stuff and like his facebook page?

If this stuff checks out, i would not mind trying it, but i dont wanna pay 25 bucks to find out.

I have a copy of the page.. just cant put my finger on it.

a quick FYI... I've been in touch with the guy who's looking to sell a WTA liquid commercially. My impression is that he went public prematurely and has had to back off as he works out production details (process scale, consistency, etc).

He understands that a lot of folks are looking to me for an evaluation of his WTA, and he's willing to make a sample available, but for the moment, I believe he's taking care of more basic items surrounding his production process.

Currently, I believe he's balancing the need to get the word out (he admits he was overly hasty) against the need for confidentiality as he tweaks the process. If and when I get a sample to evaluate, I'll let everybody know what I think for better or worse.

 

[phonedude]

glad i was elsewhere when that cropped up lol

 

[John Phoenix]

I gotta get away from this thing for a while.. nap or video game.. Darn.. can't do both. be back in a couple hours folks.

 

[Randyrtx]

My question is why e-cigs would fall under PACT? The reason for the taxes is because tobacco causes harm is it not? E-cigs do not kill like tobacco.. You say cigars and pipes are exempt.. could e-cigs be exempt in the same way also?

I'm certainly not versed in all the legalities of the situation, but so far as I know the FDA has only announced that they will be regulating e-cig products as tobacco products, but as of yet there is no regulatory framework in place. I would assume (yeah, I know, ..., you, me, etc.) that such future regulations might also include some provision regarding internet sales.

Otherwise, I think only cigarettes and certain other tobacco products were banned from internet sales due to it being an avenue to get around state taxes.

I do find it quite conceivable that an overzealous credit card processor might have erroneously intepreted the FDA announcement to include e-cig sales under the cigarette classification.

 

[phonedude]

laterz john

 

[JuiceJunkie]

From the OP of the drama...

Hello, I'm the original poster. I got banned for posting and not filling out the supplier stuff. I was trying to get some feedback and let you guys know what happened to my company so I could warn you.

This is not a joke. I have no reason to joke about it, it acutally really sucks for us as we've put a lot of effort into building our company and have many loyal customers.

The letter I posted was form "MSI – Merchant Services Inc", I had left out their company name and my own so I didn't get banned, but that didn't seem to matter.

You guys can choose to believe me or not, but this is true. I'm not sure if other processors will follow suit, but I would be suprised if they didn't.

If you have any questions for me better ask them quick, I'm guessing this account won't be allowed to stay active for long.

EDIT: That thread seems to have been moved or deleted...I can't find it now.