Big difference between a real Caravella and a $24 Caravella Chinese clone?

[Flt Simulation]

Caravela clones hurt flippers, who sell used Caravelas for more than the new ones cost.

The center pin is long, and leaves a gap with button top batteries.

I have heard that even with a flat-top battery, there may be a gap between the upper cap and what ever atomizer you plan on using (I am buying a Kanger AeroTank for it).

But, here is the link for the fasttech Caravela clone I ordered ... It says that it comes with a "An Adjustable 510 Center Pin" ... With that, it would seem that the center pin could be adjusted to stop from having that gap?

$21.96 Mixed Caravela Style Mechanical Mod Full Kit - 18350&18500&18650 tubes at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

I'm confused ...

 

[vapero]

I don't own originals, just clones, nemesis and chi, both work great.
I don't really like that they are clones I would love to see a china mech with it's own design and no copied logos with great simple design as these two are I will definitely get one but I'm not going to pay 200+ for something that works just as well for 25
I'm sorry but that's just trowing money away.
As they say you get what you pay for and in this case is a copied design.

It is easy to design a original mod but the Chinese just don't want to put in a few hours of designing

 

[ease21]

I own both an original and a clone of a caravela, nemesis, chi you (which has stolen artwork from a Korean soccer team) and king (which is mostly a clone of the chi). Like an earlier poster said, with a quality clone there really is no difference. That said, I really don't see why people are so insane about clones. The two markets will not converge ever, meaning clones won't hurt sales of originals: they're two different markets. I happen to have the extra cash for the originals but won't malign or alienate someone for buying clones, especially with how exclusive some of these mods are. The fact that someone buys a clone doesn't devalue my originals, it just means they're good enough to clone. Cloning is the price of exclusivity and high cost.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Cloning is the price of exclusivity and high cost.

Truth.
I agree 100%.

 

[emus]

i have 2 nemesis clones, and a real nemesis. The nemesis clones are absolute winners. They are so good that it makes me feel like I have been robbed by having and paid for a real nemesis. 25$ clone from fasttech vs 200$ real, yet same performance.


Same goes for kayfuns. My real kayfun lite + vs EHPRO kayfun lite + clone. If anything, the clone is better. The real one whistles while the clone does not. But they perform identical. 20$ clone from fasttech vs $100 real deal. clone wins again.


I dont give a hoot about whether clones are ethical or whatnot. I am not financially in the position to just buy the real deal of everything that I want. If i was, then yes, my opinion would probably change, but I speak with my wallet. Long live clones.

I own both an original and a clone of a caravela, nemesis, chi you (which has stolen artwork from a Korean soccer team) and king (which is mostly a clone of the chi). Like an earlier poster said, with a quality clone there really is no difference. That said, I really don't see why people are so insane about clones. The two markets will not converge ever, meaning clones won't hurt sales of originals: they're two different markets. I happen to have the extra cash for the originals but won't malign or alienate someone for buying clones, especially with how exclusive some of these mods are. The fact that someone buys a clone doesn't devalue my originals, it just means they're good enough to clone. Cloning is the price of exclusivity and high cost.

Do the originals have switches with smoother throw and less wobble?
If you edge press button, do the original buttons tilt as much as the clones?
Do the originals bind as much when edge press button?

 

[Heavyrocker]

Do the originals have switches with smoother throw and less wobble?
If you edge press button, do the original buttons tilt as much as the clones?
Do the originals bind as much when edge press button?

No,no and no.

 

[jarreddizzle]

I started with clones, ever since I bought my first VR Neme a while ago I've never gone back. Just felt like a more well machined piece of metal.

 

[havoc1967]

I have several mech clones (Nemesis, Maraxus, King, Launcher.......) and they all work great. Probably my least favorite is the King. From everything I have read it has some of the same tempermental quirks as the original. Just for a lot less money. I would never dream of buying an original mech mod because in my opinion they are overpriced for what they are. I refuse to believe that a $200+ mech mod can be that much more awesome than the clone I have. But that's me though and I support anybody's right to buy whatever they want. I just bought a Provari which some say is overpriced. Could I spend that much money or more for a mechanical? No way.

 

[ease21]

Do the originals have switches with smoother throw and less wobble?
If you edge press button, do the original buttons tilt as much as the clones?
Do the originals bind as much when edge press button?

No,no and no.

in my experience, the switches are the same as on the originals for the most part. The original Vela is tighter, the rest are pretty much the same maybe a bit more tilt on the clones. When pressing the buttons on the edge they all tilt a bit. No the originals do not bind on the edge when the button is pressed unevenly, I don't find the clones do either. Maybe i've been lucky with them, but as I said before I only have high quality clones and sometimes I'm hard pressed to tell them apart in using them.

 

[chaze]

I have the FT Carvella and it was a big disappointment. Button is wobbly. Locking ring is nearly impossible to work. Adjustable 510 doesn't adjust enough. My attys still have a gap. It's never left the house.
Nemesis clone is much better, though I had to modify the button.
I hope to one day own an original Nemesis.

 

[XenonRam]

I have no idea about the original.
The clone, isn't bad.

It all depends on who makes the clone. Cigreen, EHpro, HCigar, etc.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3

 

[bsoplinger]

If you want the Caravela look, but also want a clone, then you want the version currently being offered only by Infinite.

The current version, note I say current version, offers an adjustable 510 connector. This is a huge improvement over the original method of using different length pins to deal with battery lengths and atomizer fitment.

So yes there's a difference between the original and a $50 (in the case of the Infinite version) clone. The clone is better.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

 

[Sptz]

I own both an original and a clone of a caravela, nemesis, chi you (which has stolen artwork from a Korean soccer team) and king (which is mostly a clone of the chi). Like an earlier poster said, with a quality clone there really is no difference. That said, I really don't see why people are so insane about clones. The two markets will not converge ever, meaning clones won't hurt sales of originals: they're two different markets. I happen to have the extra cash for the originals but won't malign or alienate someone for buying clones, especially with how exclusive some of these mods are. The fact that someone buys a clone doesn't devalue my originals, it just means they're good enough to clone. Cloning is the price of exclusivity and high cost.

May I ask what Caravela clone do you own as I'm interested in getting one and how does it fare to the original? Would love to own an original but there isn't going to be anymore ever : /

 

[blueGrassTubb]

I am new to vaping, and just wondered if the cost difference between a real Caravela or a real Nemesis and the cones of these models are worth the price difference.

Not so much a difference that's it's worth paying full price for most MODs. The performance of some clones is even better than their original namesakes. The Hcigar Nemesis is supposedly BETTER than the original. Either way, you can get an Hcigar Nemy for around $30, while a real Nemy will cost around $200.

If you like a particular MOD and there is a clone for it, do some research in to that clone to find out how good/bad it might be. It's very model dependent. Sometimes you might want to have the original for purposes other than performance or price.

I have both clones (Hcigar Brass Stingray, 69, and Carvela, and an Infinite Tree of Life and Black Copper Stingray) and originals (Sir Lancelot, Roller, EPM v2). It's all about preference.

Any idea as to what the cost is for a real Caravela (without the atty)?

Most original MODs are made by either very small companies, or funded by just one or two people. Because of their limited resources, most original MODs are done in very small runs. Some modders also like the idea of their MOD being an exclusive item, and so purposefully do small runs.

The Caravela is one of those types (which I don't know, nor do I care), and it's unattainable unless you are willing to spend lots and lots of money on the secondhand market. Many MODs are this way. That is one reason why clones are everywhere. People simply can't get originals most of the time unless they happen to be lucky both financially, and being in the right place at the right time.

 

[ease21]

May I ask what Caravela clone do you own as I'm interested in getting one and how does it fare to the original? Would love to own an original but there isn't going to be anymore ever : /

I have the hcigar clone. They're so close that I've grabbed it thinking it was the original and vice versa. Overall I think the vela is overrated, like I said I own an original (purchased when they went on sale originally) they're beautiful but not worth the kind of cash people pay for them now.

 

[jpcwon]

I have a Copper EHPro Caravela clone that I absolutely love....it came with 3 tubes (350, 500 & 650) as well as 3 different length center pins...The switch works very well and the thing hits like a freakin' beast....I have several $150+ mechs (Origin, Sentinel V4, etc) and the 'Vela clone outperforms all of them...I would prefer to own an original any day of the week, but I will say that EHPro nailed it in this case.....

 

[Chelonian]

I have an original Nemesis.

My friend has the H Cigar clone.

The Nemesis button isn't the best out of the original mods (to say the least) but it was miles ahead of the clone. The button was trash on the clone....absolute rubbish.

The mechanisms that the original uses to fit batteries is great, easy to set up, and smooth.

The same setup in the clone catches and squeaks slightly when you adjust it. The center pin wobbles at both extremes. The bottom mechanism will move on you during the day, allowing battery rattle.

At first, the clone had a better v drop.

After about 3 months, it fell way behind, and is getting worse.

My original dropped .01, and has held steady since.

Looks are similar.

Is the above worth about $130 more?

Is to me.

As for the Vela? Personally, I wouldn't pay what it takes to get one, but others happily do.