Big problems in little China

[CssReb]

China's ultimate goal is to take over the world. I could be wrong but once they get an e-cig into the hands of every american they will probably spike the juice with a quick acting chemical that'll not only kill the vaporer but also the people around them, reducing collateral infrastructure damage so they can just move right in.

Don't mind me, I'm just paranoid

 

[TribbleTrouble]

Haha ... What more do you want Tribble?

All I see is a supplier being shafted by the Country on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, who now says he must *charge more* because of it ...

I just get tired of all the supplier bull ... be real from the get go.

#1 reason i don't release product, do backorders, or preorders until stock is 100% in my hands ... until then, its anyone's game ...

I prefer and like suppliers that take the *real* approach on things.... and don't sugar coat s*** ... IE: Katy, Lacey, Jane, VaporGuys (sorry don't know your real name), etc...

So should we consider what Venuvious said to be a complete lie. I have wondered about the possibility that the right palms in our government are not getting the proper grease when it comes to the E-Cig, and maybe that is why there is whispers of FDA bans and such now. I figure that is probably wrong, so tell me what you think?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

So should we consider what Venuvious said to be a complete lie. I have wondered about the possibility that the right palms in our government are not getting the proper grease when it comes to the E-Cig, and maybe that is why there is whispers of FDA bans and such now. I figure that is probably wrong, so tell me what you think?

No... I'm not necessarily telling you Venuvious is lying ... he is just a new supplier falling for old chinese tricks or just VERY VERY misinformed ... that's all

its not a matter of paying someone off ... the facts remain the same. Nicotine derived from tobacco in any other form than tobacco leaf will be classified as either an NRT or a *New Drug* Both end up getting regulated in the end. Nicotine NOT derived from tobacco ... will still be classified as a *New Drug*

Drug delivery devices are also regulated by the FDA. Ecigs = are drug delivery devices.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

China's ultimate goal is to take over the world. I could be wrong but once they get an e-cig into the hands of every american they will probably spike the juice with a quick acting chemical that'll not only kill the vaporer but also the people around them, reducing collateral infrastructure damage so they can just move right in.

Don't mind me, I'm just paranoid

That is precisely why I feel the USA should make their own. I'm not worried about world domination, I just want to buy from a e-cig company that has to follow the same rules that I have to. Buy USA!!! (I wish)

 

[TribbleTrouble]

No... I'm not necessarily telling you Venuvious is lying ... he is just a new supplier falling for old chinese tricks or just VERY VERY misinformed ... that's all

its not a matter of paying someone off ... the facts remain the same. Nicotine derived from tobacco in any other form than tobacco leaf will be classified as either an NRT or a *New Drug* Both end up getting regulated in the end. Nicotine NOT derived from tobacco ... will still be classified as a *New Drug*

Drug delivery devices are also regulated by the FDA. Ecigs = are drug delivery devices.

Do you think that if we separate the liquid from the device at the point of sale, and rename the device a "Personal Vaporizer", that we might remove the device from that "Drug/Device Combination" tag?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Do you think that if we separate the liquid from the device at the point of sale, and rename the device a "Personal Vaporizer", that we might remove the device from that "Drug/Device Combination" tag?

perhaps ... BUT, I'm assuming, the device must be used for either something legal or not regulated.

Most vaporizers can use Tobacco, therefore, are exempt, Just like bongs, hand blown glass, etc....

Ours ... Not even sure there is anything *approved* you can vape except something like Bickford/Lorrain's flavorings ... but even then, you are not ingesting, but inhaling, which is a completely separate concept.

 

[sanneke]

perhaps ... BUT, I'm assuming, the device must be used for either something legal or not regulated.

Most vaporizers can use Tobacco, therefore, are exempt, Just like bongs, hand blown glass, etc....

Ours ... Not even sure there is anything *approved* you can vape except something like Bickford/Lorrain's flavorings ... but even then, you are not ingesting, but inhaling, which is a completely separate concept.

Wow, cash, you've been online and are ignoring any pm, email and message on your website from me, that concerns the problems I have with the pilot. thus leaving me in the dark.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

perhaps ... BUT, I'm assuming, the device must be used for either something legal or not regulated.

Most vaporizers can use Tobacco, therefore, are exempt, Just like bongs, hand blown glass, etc....

Ours ... Not even sure there is anything *approved* you can vape except something like Bickford/Lorrain's flavorings ... but even then, you are not ingesting, but inhaling, which is a completely separate concept.

The way I see it, if you market them in a manner to where you state that they are for vaporizing flavored water and PG (excluding any mention of anything regulated or illegal), and rename them something not related to smoking or Nicotine, then the FDA cannot really do anything about it. Everyone in the know will understand what it is for (just like bongs), but the official marketing statement will protect the device. I also wonder if it is a way for a new vaporizer company to avoid any patent issues with existing "E-Cigarette" companies.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

Ok
Not to break up the love fest; but.....
I can see nicotine being a regulated substance
and e-liquid has been removed from CT
But what right does US customs have over a battery, atomiser, and a cart?
Hardware should still be getting through

 

[TribbleTrouble]

Wow, cash, you've been online and are ignoring any pm, email and message on your website from me, that concerns the problems I have with the pilot. thus leaving me in the dark.

Sorry, Cash! I will let you get back to the customers. They are always right, you know.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Wow, cash, you've been online and are ignoring any pm, email and message on your website from me, that concerns the problems I have with the pilot. thus leaving me in the dark.

Noor,

I haven't been ignoring you. I can still respond appropriately ... Everyone just needs to have patience. I try my best When you said multiple's a day, it takes me a while to get to!

 

[TribbleTrouble]

Ok
Not to break up the love fest; but.....
I can see nicotine being a regulated substance
and e-liquid has been removed from CT
But what right does US customs have over a battery, atomiser, and a cart?
Hardware should still be getting through

It is the attachment the battery, atomizer, & cart have to the regulated liquid. If you separate the device from the liquid in every way, then that "Drug/Device Combo" problem, IMO, should disappear.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Ok
Not to break up the love fest; but.....
I can see nicotine being a regulated substance
and e-liquid has been removed from CT
But what right does US customs have over a battery, atomiser, and a cart?
Hardware should still be getting through

K-Sound ...

Do a search on FDA's site for Drug Delivery Devices ... I don't have time to explain everything

 

[sanneke]

Sorry, Cash! I will let you get back to the customers. They are always right, you know.

right back at ya.
I've tried to get something done right all day long.

It's NOT happening.

Catch them when you can.

 

[sanneke]

Noor,

I haven't been ignoring you. I can still respond appropriately ... Everyone just needs to have patience. I try my best When you said multiple's a day, it takes me a while to get to!

Wow.........there you are

 

[K-Sound Krew]

It is the attachment the battery, atomizer, & cart have to the regulated liquid. If you separate the device from the liquid in every way, then that problem, IMO, should disappear.

I disagree, ever been to a head shop?
ever see a head shop selling what should go into that "tobacco water pipe"?
intent is a mute point without proof

 

[TribbleTrouble]

right back at ya.
I've tried to get something done right all day long.

It's NOT happening.

Catch them when you can.

I know how you feel! I have been there myself. You are the customer spending your hard earned dollar and time, and you deserve satisfaction. The squeeky wheel gets the grease!

 

[K-Sound Krew]

K-Sound ...

Do a search on FDA's site for Drug Delivery Devices ... I don't have time to explain everything

ok if you don't have nic in the liquid it isn't a drug delivery device

it's one of those rules where the fda pulls it out of their .... when it's convienient
a thousand head shops in the US sell water pipes legally
but Tommy Chong sells one and it's paraphenilia

 

[Lithium1330]

Ok
Not to break up the love fest; but.....
I can see nicotine being a regulated substance
and e-liquid has been removed from CT
But what right does US customs have over a battery, atomiser, and a cart?
Hardware should still be getting through

If the device's primary use is for deliver a "new drug" then the device can't be commercialized until the "new drug" is approved, even if the device can be used for deliver legal and approved drugs if the PRIMARY use is for a "new drug" the device is in troubles, maybe is too late to deassociate the device as we know it from the drug, I don't know, but for the FDA the PRIMARY use is for deliver a "new drug" at this moment.

Another way is to make it a tobacco product, but then high taxes need to be payed, there are ways to do this, maybe using a reconstituted tobacco membrane to hold the e-liquid instead of the polymer fill they have now in the cartdriges.

One thing is for sure, eventually e-cigarettes will be regulated, the matter is where is the best place for our interests to put them: FDA, ATF or HPCUS.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

I disagree, ever been to a head shop?
ever see a head shop selling what should go into that "tobacco water pipe"?
intent is a mute point without proof

I have been to many. The one's in my neck of the woods say as little as possible about what they are for. They call them "Water Pipes" minus the Tobacco part. They even have signs on the door saying that they will not "discuss" what they are for. Have you ever gone into a head shop to try and discuss with the staff the uses of a ....? My guess is they would tell you to leave. You could put pencil shavings in it, for all they care, but they will not discuss it with you. That is their legal right, and that is precisely why bongs are still being sold in head shops to this very day. They don't even sell them with instructions for use. The only people that buy them are the people that know what they are for before they even go to the shop.