Blend flavours first - DIY

[SelakQ]

Hi everybody ,

I just wondered around the net and wanted to google new DIY trends and I spotted that everyone is talking about steeping and breathing and I felt somehow a very important step, atleast for me, is not mentioned that no one seems to really bring to the discussion.

First of all I am not very patient when it comes to my Ejuice - i can't wait 2 weeks to try a new patch and have done what is natural - trial and error.
I have found that when you mix all the Ingredients for a delicious juice together it just takes way longer than if you pre-blend the flavours, this is most likely because of the viscosity of the VG once all the components are together.
What i recommend for everyone to bring the mixing time down to around 5 -7 days on regular FA flavours is to pre-mix the different flavours and than put them in a hot bath - 60 degrees C. until the water settles at room temperature. In-between i shake the juice every 5-10 minutes. After approx. 30 min I am done blending the flavours in the hot bath and add the other components to it and give it a new bath at 60-70 degrees for just 30 minutes which is completely sufficient.
The following two days i repeated the baths for the juice for only 15 ming and of not more than 70 degrees, that keeps the juice in a blending mood.
Regards,S

 

[misterholidayhouse]

Shouldn't this be in the DIY sub forum? This forum is for factory made eliquid blends.

 

[SelakQ]

Absolutely - and i thought i did post it there but just noticed that this seems to be a complete fail.

 

[MsLoud]

A moderator can move it for you

@classwife

 

[classwife]

thank you for the tag - moved this to DIY E-Liquid

 

[MsLoud]

Ill say - I can't be bothered to steep my DIY. Ever. Like, I haven't the patience. I use Bill's blog for guidance and then went from there after having great success. I do use no less than 20% flavoring and only mix 1 50ml bottle at a time. If I get bored of the flavor before I'm finished - i just put a few drops of a different flavor in the mix. Say, my Cinna-custard. I just 10 minutes ago added 4 drops of Fudge Brownie and 1 drop of Peanut Butter...completely changed the taste and now I'm happy again.

I don't worry myself with nic content (I start around 10mg) so if its a bit lower, I'm sure I don't notice. PG/VG ratio? Meh - again, unconcerned as I have not had a bad experience and I don't add the stress of needing to be precise. Unconventional? All my life!

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

I use an ultrasonic cleaner for 2 hours worth of cycles keeping the heat under 150. Then I leave the juice uncapped overnight. So far it's worked for me.

 

[dannyv45]

There are several ways to speed up steeping. Read my blog on steeping

Everything you wanted to know about steeping and then some. | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Moonlitwish]

I might steep a few days. I know my menthol should steep 3 days because the first time I made it it was perfectly vapable the first day, strong the second day and on the third I felt like I was vaping arctic air and had to dilute it. If something is gross right after mixing and a good shaking, if there's any left, it'll get steeped just cuz I don't want to throw it out until I'm sure it's gonna stay gross, but that hasn't happened yet.


*~*moonlitwish*~*

 

[SelakQ]

There are several ways to speed up steeping. Read my blog on steeping

Everything you wanted to know about steeping and then some. | E-Cigarette Forum

Wow - I have to say that your blog amazed me in terms of depth and spectrum of details.
Once of the best and most to the point articles I have read on DIY- Juicing.
Thanks for that.

 

[Exchaner]

Hello everyone, has anyone tried steeping their juices with air without heat? I remember the customer service at TFA once telling someone that air is the primary factor in steeping. Those flavor molecules need air to cure - more than they need heat - he/she was told. They probably did not mean leaving the bottle open - just shaken vigorously like heck.

With that in mind, I have bought a cheap milk frother to test the idea. Haven't had a chance to try it yet. I vape tobacco flavors which are notoreously slow to steep. I will post the results in a few days.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

Hello everyone, has anyone tried steeping their juices with air without heat? I remember the customer service at TFA once telling someone that air is the primary factor in steeping - not heat. Those flavor molecules need air to cure, he/she was told. They probably did not mean the bottle should be left open - just shaken vigorously like heck.

With that in mind, I have bought a cheap milk frother to test the idea. Haven't had a chance to try it yet. I vape tobacco flavors which are notoreously slow to steep. I will post the results in a few days.

The frother is my next DIY gear purchase. Search Results for Query: milk frother | E-Cigarette Forum
I've read some on it and one really high technical thread on steeping and the scientific terms and methods. With the UC I use, heat thins the juice so the molecules can shake hands easier, and the vibration helps. There's a scientific name for the air part of juices, but the article was os far over my head I don't remember it.

Search Results for Query: steep methods | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Alter]

I would make my mixes without nicotine then you can froth the pizz out of them without worrying about oxidizing the nic when there is no nic. It may take some weeks for flavors to develop but only a few days for the nic to incorporate. Add the nic and let it sit several days before partaking.
I use a magnetic mixer and I don't add nic until the juice has steeped especially my tobacco blends then remix with the nic with as little added air as possible and at a slower speed not to promote air bubbles entering.

 

[Exchaner]

I use a magnetic mixer ..... my tobacco blends

Just curious how much times does the magnetic mixer save you v.s heat and/or natural steeping.

 

[Alter]

I can't say if it speeds up steep time but it probably does. I like most is that I'm not shaking bottles. I don't use heat steeping ever since I put several bottles of commercial juices in a coffee maker, caramelized the sweetener and the whole lot went into the garbage. I do scale my VP/PG then warm it up some in hot water to loosen the VG up so it spins faster for my initial mixing. I vape 60VG/40PG mixes
I vape a lot of tobaccos so I have to let them steep at least a month for some along with random remixing's during the steep period and with no nic added yet there is no oxidation of nic.
I mix a lot of my flavors as stand alones without nic, let them steep then blend them together, add the nic and resteep again for a shorter period of time. I'm not into making complex formulas but 1,2 or several flavors blended together keeps me happy.
I'm beginning to scale with grams rather than mils and finding my juices are more to my liking and accurate. I have mixed 2 exact juices with my EJuiceMeUp, one using mils and other using grams and the grams was the better juice.

Here is a quick chart I found of mils to grams
Weight of PG: 1.038 grams per ml
Weight of VG: 1.26 grams per ml
Weight of Pure Nicotine: 1.01 grams per ml
Weight of 100mg in PG: 1.0352 grams per ml
Weight of 100mg in VG: 1.235 grams per ml
48mg 50VG/50PG based nicotine solution 1.14 grams per ml.
Flavors range of .93g per ml to 1.07g per ml.

I cut my 100 50/50 nic into 48 50/50 cause its what I'm use to using.

Plug these numbers into the "Gram Set" in you EJuiceMeUp and see how much the formula changes when using the right specs

 

[dannyv45]

Hello everyone, has anyone tried steeping their juices with air without heat? I remember the customer service at TFA once telling someone that air is the primary factor in steeping. Those flavor molecules need air to cure - more than they need heat - he/she was told. They probably did not mean leaving the bottle open - just shaken vigorously like heck.

With that in mind, I have bought a cheap milk frother to test the idea. Haven't had a chance to try it yet. I vape tobacco flavors which are notoreously slow to steep. I will post the results in a few days.

A combination of factors effect juice maturity and NIC oxidation (Steeping) which are Air, Heat and Light. These all need to be controlled, To much of ether will over oxidize NIC causing an undesired effect such as harshness. To little of ether will cause an absents of taste and throat hit. So the secret to any method (Air, heat, light) is time. The trick is to figure out how much time is applied to each method.

 

[issy]

Oh.My.Goodness SelakQ, you avatar made my heart melt. My retired racing greyhound is asleep on my feet right now. He's the best big boy EVER.

 

[SelakQ]

Oh.My.Goodness SelakQ, you avatar made my heart melt. My retired racing greyhound is asleep on my feet right now. He's the best big boy EVER.

Haha yes they are indeed amazing buddies - mine is a saluki - greyhound mix