Bloog vs. Smokeless Image: The Real Question

[Vapian]

I don't recall SI ever stating their batteries were 5V regulated down to 3.x~ish, though they do state that for their regulated PT unit.

One of their batteries is actually disassembled at home right now but I unpacked the battery before reading it (meaning, I opened the foil packet - I was thinking it might be multiple cells, but turns out it's a single cell with the layers rolled up into a cylinder). There might be another auto that I've killed though, so maybe I can take that apart and do an actual reading. My guess is that it's closer to 4.2V than 5V but that's only a guess. I do know that the only electronics in there are on a small board at the bottom containing the LED and pressure sensor. It's not big, so I assume the regulation is a very simple zener/resistor circuit.

If so, while it does regulate voltage it's not going to be exceedingly precise and I don't see why it would have to be given what it is. If it's in the ball park and makes for a more consistent vaping experience with their gear it's still a good thing.

 

[Roach]

And the winner is...

No doubt about it.

well, Yeah!

 

[rawrscary]

Rawrscary was that tested on load? With no carto attached get around 4.2 or so on regulated kr808's, but once a carto is attached, they drop to 3.6v. As for them being 5v, not sure, never disassembled one and tested just the batt....

Batteries

If you look at their battery section, they have it written in the description. So far, Smoov is exactly the same as Bloog, SI, Halo, etc... Someone said the Bloogs were also 5v regulated to 3.7 in a youtube vid, I cant remember what vid though I've been watching so many in the last few days.

Steeljan tested the SI battery with nothing on it. She had the battery turned on, but that was it. They go above 3.7 though.

My understanding about regulating the voltage is, it should be 3.7 at all times. That's the point of putting a regulator on it. It shouldn't be letting it go higher than that. It shouldn't be 4.2 volts fresh off the charger, and then go down to 3.7 or 3.6 after you start using it. Maybe I'm missing something here, but that idea seems pretty straight forward.

 

[rawrscary]

I don't recall SI ever stating their batteries were 5V regulated down to 3.x~ish, though they do state that for their regulated PT unit.

One of their batteries is actually disassembled at home right now but I unpacked the battery before reading it (meaning, I opened the foil packet - I was thinking it might be multiple cells, but turns out it's a single cell with the layers rolled up into a cylinder). There might be another auto that I've killed though, so maybe I can take that apart and do an actual reading. My guess is that it's closer to 4.2V than 5V but that's only a guess. I do know that the only electronics in there are on a small board at the bottom containing the LED and pressure sensor. It's not big, so I assume the regulation is a very simple zener/resistor circuit.

If so, while it does regulate voltage it's not going to be exceedingly precise and I don't see why it would have to be given what it is. If it's in the ball park and makes for a more consistent vaping experience with their gear it's still a good thing.

Would you at all mind perhaps explaining how you disassembled it or take pics of it?

I would like to get a Bloog, SI, Smoove, and Elite Vaporworks bat and compare all four of them. Will probably also get a Halo G6, Nhaler, and V9 since they all claim to use the same bats as Bloog. I'd like to do a comparison of all of them just to set the record straight. I'm growing tired of one company claiming they are "Maxx Fusion style" if they really aren't. Another company is claiming they get the exact same bats as SI gets for the volt, because he supposedly went to the factory and saw them putting Volt logos on. Yet his bats don't last more than an hour and a half compare to real Volt or Bloog bats.

There's just too much wishy washy BS going on with these new regulated 808's all because it's such a "secret". It's just opening the door for BS claims in my opinion. From the battery stats, to how long it lasts, to cut off time, etc... they all are different as I'm slowly finding out. So even though a lot of these companies are selling the same "looking" 808d kits, the internals are not all the same apparently. The ONLY thing I've seen exactly the same is Bloog cartos and SI cartos.

At any rate, it would be awesome if you could take pics of what your bat looks like. I've never taken one apart but I am going to be doing a video comparison of all the brands we have so far to see who is really who.

 

[Morandir835]

Rawrscary where to begin... The regulation circuit kicks in once load is applied to the batt. This goes for the bloog, volt, and g6 batts. All three come out at 3.6v on load in every test I've done.... You can't believe everything you hear or see on youtube. As far as I know there are no 5v batts small enough to fit into a kr808 body as of yet, battery technology improves constantly hence me saying yet. The bloog and si cartos aren't the same, bloog uses lower ohms than volt, making them harder to use at a voltage above said 3.6v (though some of the later batches have come in around 2.8 allowing some juices to be used at 4.2 without burning).

 

[michaelcly]

well, Yeah!

I third that. She gives me night thoughts any time of the day

Really though, I find a lot of the e-cig sites annoying. A lot of them are Black or very dark, I guess so they can show smoke better. Some are ultra bright too...makes it hard to sneak a peek at work. And when my wife walks by I hear "you buying M O R E ecigs?"

Check out Vapor4life new website. Much better and easier. I like Halocigs website also.

 

[CarrieD]

...So, what say you?

I say I like my guys hunky. And I love my Volt.

 

[rawrscary]

Rawrscary where to begin... The regulation circuit kicks in once load is applied to the batt. This goes for the bloog, volt, and g6 batts. All three come out at 3.6v on load in every test I've done.... You can't believe everything you hear or see on youtube. As far as I know there are no 5v batts small enough to fit into a kr808 body as of yet, battery technology improves constantly hence me saying yet. The bloog and si cartos aren't the same, bloog uses lower ohms than volt, making them harder to use at a voltage above said 3.6v (though some of the later batches have come in around 2.8 allowing some juices to be used at 4.2 without burning).

Well, I understand about the bats not being 5v. That is a claim I've read on Smoov's website and have seen it made by others about bloog, SI, etc... They specifically state this: "The Smoov Battery is a 5 volt battery that is regulated to output 3.7 volts of constant power . The Guardian Micro Chip protects the battery from over charging and and the 5 second cutoff protects it while discharging." Again, they pretty much have the same exact kit as Bloog/SI.

Only difference I've seen so far is Smoov bats have the very tiny pinhole size hole for autos. Bloog has larger holes. That being said, Volt has large holes as well BUT some of their limited colors have the small pin hole size on them. I don't know if they come from the same manufacturer, but from what I've gathered, there's only one place making these "regulated" bats.

I've contacted several manufacturers asking, and none of them know what I'm talking about when I ask if their 808D bats are regulated to 3.7. All the responses I've gotten have said our bats operate between 4.2 and taper down to 3.3 or somewhere around there by the end of the charge life.

That being said... I still trust what steeljan said about the bats. She tested a Volt bat and it came out between 3.7 and 3.82 on two different bats with NO LOAD. I would say so far from the reviews I've seen on youtube, Bloog and SI seem to remain around the 3.7 mark with no load. Her test does a battery that is fresh off the charger, as well as a battery that she had been using for about an hour and was around half it's life. The problem comes from other 808 bats that are not getting these numbers yet still claim they are the regulated bats.

Regarding the cartomizers. Steeljans review of the SI Volt cartomizers showed that four different cartos came in at 4 different ranges. The lowest reading she got on a Volt carto was 2.2, the highest she got was 2.9 All of them performed differently in her test.

In another review, there was a guy that dremeled a Bloog MF cart, and a SI Volt cart open. They were identical to eachother. Based on physically looking the same, and Steeljans analysis of getting ohm readings between 2.2 to 2.9 I'm not sure that's it's fair to say that Bloog is using lower ohm's than SI is. I think these Chinese manufacturers are making products that simply vary too much to make those claims. Again I'm a noob when it comes to ohms, voltage, etc... but if you make a product that says 2.5 ohm, and make another same product that says 2.8 ohm and sell them as two different ohm ratings, they shouldn't be fluctuating to the point where a carto dances between 2.2 to 2.6 ohm, and another same carto dances between 2.4 to 2.9 ohm. To me that just seems a little off. I can understand a fluctuation maybe between like 2.8 and 2.9 and seeing it go back and forth, but these SI cartos she tested had pretty bad results in my opinion. This could also explain why some people complain about SOME of their cartos being fine, and others are tasting burnt. In the end this boils down to a quality control issue in my opinion.

Videos -

Steeljans SI Volt review: Smokeless Image Volt Review - The Chainsaw Test? - YouTube

Basilray's video of dremeling Volt and Bloog carto's: Video by VapeTVLive: Live Recording - 05/24/2011 01:17

 

[Morandir835]

Rawrscary sir my statement about the ohm numbers comes from my own testing done on the cartos. I'm not making a statement based on anyone else's review, tests, etc....

 

[rawrscary]

Look Morandir, I don't know what you really want me to think. You are saying you tested bloog, volt, and g6 and got 3.6 on all of them. That's fine, I don't really care about that. My issue is not with any of those brands. Really, your findings on those bats all coming in at 3.6v have nothing to do with what I'm saying about OTHER brands that are claiming they are the same as Bloog and Volt bats.

For what it's worth... I'm going to believe a video where I can see someone physically test something with a meter, rather than someone coming on a forum and telling me "oh I got this" about some battery brands that I'm not concerned with.

Seems like quite a few people are ready to discount steeljans videos whenever I mention them. Video doesn't lie when you can see someone doing something.

 

[Morandir835]

Believe what you will and think what you will of me Rawrscary sir. Have my reasons why I don't do videos, all I have is my integrity and reputation. You can ask the people over at the bloog subforum what their thoughts on me are, the comparison I did (without a video) of their mf batts vs v4l's kd batts was originally posted there then transfered to my blog. Leaford sir even complimented it.... I'm going to ask if you have any more issues with me personally please pm me and keep it off the board.

 

[beachpuff]

I would like to get a Bloog, SI, Smoove, and Elite Vaporworks bat and compare all four of them. Will probably also get a Halo G6, Nhaler, and V9 since they all claim to use the same bats as Bloog. I'd like to do a comparison of all of them just to set the record straight.

Rawr, what brand are you using now?

 

[rawrscary]

Rawr, what brand are you using now?

Right now I have a Smoov kit, and I have a couple bloog MF batteries, none of their cartos yet though.

 

[rawrscary]

Believe what you will and think what you will of me Rawrscary sir. Have my reasons why I don't do videos, all I have is my integrity and reputation. You can ask the people over at the bloog subforum what their thoughts on me are, the comparison I did (without a video) of their mf batts vs v4l's kd batts was originally posted there then transfered to my blog. Leaford sir even complimented it.... I'm going to ask if you have any more issues with me personally please pm me and keep it off the board.

Well I'm going to ask that you just ignore any of my posts on the board. You really didn't answer or contribute anything to my original issue of other companies claiming, yet not having the same bats as Bloog and SI. Quite frankly... you've responded to almost EVERY post I've made, in multiple different sub forums and you seem to like to "correct" everything I have to say.

That being said, I'm not going to continue to argue with you in PM. I'm going to ask you just leave me alone, whether I'm wrong or right.

 

[keyzygirl]

The funny thing about this is that your posting in all the same 808 subforums that Morandir has been posting in for quite some time.He isnt following you.He was already here.As for his posts,everytime he tries to explain things to you or answer you,you go crazy because its not what you want to hear.Facts dont lie and they dont adjust to make you happy.They are facts.These threads are for everyone to read and learn.Its not a private party for just you.Sometimes you just have to adjust and let other people have a turn and learn stuff.Most of us want facts.We appreciate that others test things and learn and share that info with us.We all read these threads.Its for everyone to share.Sharing info is a good thing.Its how we all learn.Just relax.Its all good.

 

[Morandir835]

Very well said Ms. Keyzy.

 

[Frick]

This is exactly what I want to know too. I want to see the specs on these from the manufacturer. Bloog claims they don't use Kanger for bats or cartomizers, yet I see no other manufacturer that I've managed to find that makes a regulated battery for 3.7v On the other hand Kanger doesn't either to my knowledge.

The other thing that's irritating me right now is Bloog, SI, and Smoov claim their battery is a 5v Lipo regulated to 3.7 volts, yet in other threads here on ECF I've seen people say it's impossible for that kind of battery to be a 5v. I don't know much about batteries myself, so I can't say personally, but if that's true... either the company is misrepresenting their products, or their manufacturer is.

I've actually contacted Kanger and Shining. I know V4L gets their bats from Shining, but neither of them know anything about regulated 3.7 volt bats. So again, the question is, who the hell makes them? Are they really 5v? Or is that a load of crap? Do they really stay at 3.7 from start to finish? If you go by steeljan's vid reviews, She tests a SI Volt battery and it's actually ABOVE 3.7 volts. I don't know what to believe anymore.

A little research will reveal the manufacturer of Bloog and SI's batteries. I'm not sure about G6, but I don't care that much because the information isn't all that useful (to me, at least). I have batteries from all three vendors, and to me they perform very similarly, and work universally well with cartos from all three vendors. All are regulated at 3.6V, not 3.7V.

I don't really get into the esoteric minutiae of resistance and voltage-over-charge-life, but as a vaping tool all three are just fine for my use. I do prefer the "same hit every time" quality of regulated batteries, as opposed to non-regulated 4.2V (V4L and countless others) batteries, but that's an opinion. I also prefer horizontal-coil cartos over old-school vertical cartos, but again, that's my opinion and others don't share it.

In the end, I have a tool that replaces smoking analogs, and that's all I was seeking to begin with.

 

[rawrscary]

A little research will reveal the manufacturer of Bloog and SI's batteries. I'm not sure about G6, but I don't care that much because the information isn't all that useful (to me, at least). I have batteries from all three vendors, and to me they perform very similarly, and work universally well with cartos from all three vendors. All are regulated at 3.6V, not 3.7V.

I don't really get into the esoteric minutiae of resistance and voltage-over-charge-life, but as a vaping tool all three are just fine for my use. I do prefer the "same hit every time" quality of regulated batteries, as opposed to non-regulated 4.2V (V4L and countless others) batteries, but that's an opinion. I also prefer horizontal-coil cartos over old-school vertical cartos, but again, that's my opinion and others don't share it.

In the end, I have a tool that replaces smoking analogs, and that's all I was seeking to begin with.

Well, I actually never cared what manufacturer they were from for the last 6 months that I've been using 808 bats and cartos. It wasn't until steeljan did a review for a vendor that I will not mention (for the time being) that I actually started to care whos making these "newer" regulated 808's.

The issue I have is, there are a couple of vendors now, that are claiming to be selling the same exact bats as Bloog and Smokeless Image, yet they do not perform the same way. They don't last as long, and the descriptions given by other people lead me to believe they are not regulated. So even though they have a "rubber finish" on them, they are not the same internally.

Bloog doesn't want to say who makes them, and I've done plenty of digging in their sub forum. Smokeless Image doesn't want to say who makes them due to competitive reasons. Ok fine, but there are other vendors now selling these 808's cheaper than Bloog and SI, and I believe they are lying to people just to get sales. I can't necessarily prove that until I've got all my testing done. I'm not going to say anything more than that at this point, until I've done a video.

As I've stated in other threads though, I do intend to test all 7 or 8 brands that have these bats, and then cut them all open to physically compare them to a Bloog bat. I think that'll set the record straight, at least for me. I know others have been curious about it, as I've read a few posts here and there with people asking if all these brands are the same. Steeljan did another vid as well because people were asking if the generic ones are the same as the branded ones. She says yes, but didn't really go into depth and compare anyone of them.

At any rate, the only other place I can think to really look is in the 808 sub forum here. Maybe there's something leading to their manufacturer here. I don't know.

The thing that irritates me though is that Bloog and SI especially, don't want to tell anyone due to competition, but hello... we already know they aren't the only two selling these bats lol. So is it really necessary to keep it a secret? I as a customer don't want to buy a crappy Kanger battery or some other sub par battery from another vendor claiming to be selling "Bloog" batteries.

At the end of the day, yeah I'm happy to vape and not be smoking anymore, but that isn't going to stop me from figuring out who is fake and who isn't

 

[crbrown]

Well, I actually never cared what manufacturer they were from for the last 6 months that I've been using 808 bats and cartos. It wasn't until steeljan did a review for a vendor that I will not mention (for the time being) that I actually started to care whos making these "newer" regulated 808's.

The issue I have is, there are a couple of vendors now, that are claiming to be selling the same exact bats as Bloog and Smokeless Image, yet they do not perform the same way. They don't last as long, and the descriptions given by other people lead me to believe they are not regulated. So even though they have a "rubber finish" on them, they are not the same internally.

Bloog doesn't want to say who makes them, and I've done plenty of digging in their sub forum. Smokeless Image doesn't want to say who makes them due to competitive reasons. Ok fine, but there are other vendors now selling these 808's cheaper than Bloog and SI, and I believe they are lying to people just to get sales. I can't necessarily prove that until I've got all my testing done. I'm not going to say anything more than that at this point, until I've done a video.

As I've stated in other threads though, I do intend to test all 7 or 8 brands that have these bats, and then cut them all open to physically compare them to a Bloog bat. I think that'll set the record straight, at least for me. I know others have been curious about it, as I've read a few posts here and there with people asking if all these brands are the same. Steeljan did another vid as well because people were asking if the generic ones are the same as the branded ones. She says yes, but didn't really go into depth and compare anyone of them.

At any rate, the only other place I can think to really look is in the 808 sub forum here. Maybe there's something leading to their manufacturer here. I don't know.

The thing that irritates me though is that Bloog and SI especially, don't want to tell anyone due to competition, but hello... we already know they aren't the only two selling these bats lol. So is it really necessary to keep it a secret? I as a customer don't want to buy a crappy Kanger battery or some other sub par battery from another vendor claiming to be selling "Bloog" batteries.

At the end of the day, yeah I'm happy to vape and not be smoking anymore, but that isn't going to stop me from figuring out who is fake and who isn't

About the link you posted on the Bloog sub forum, someone had posted that a few months ago only then the battery did have "Bloog" written on it, and not just the reflection. (I'm guessing they were made to remove it)
Any way, got me thinking that maybe its more of a case of the manufacturer not telling the truth then the vendor.

 

[beachpuff]

Any way, got me thinking that maybe its more of a case of the manufacturer not telling the truth then the vendor.

I think this could be the case. I have Bloog, SI's Volts, Nhaler's MF Style and EliteVaporWorks. They all perform the same for me.

Others say they don't all work the same.

IMO, neither Drew at Nhaler or Jayson at EliteVaporWorks is out to deceive anyone. They are told one thing by the manufacturer, and this may or may not be true. Or one batch has the correct specs, then the next one doesn't.