"Blowing clouds" and sub ohm vaping... Why?

[Burnie]

Sport vapers

That is not me. I vape to NOT SMOKE, I don't do it for fun. Really don't see the FUN. When I smoked, yes there was smoke, but I didn't try to get big clouds of cig smoke, I was addicted to smoking. Now that I vape, I am replacing the cigs for vaping, Why do I need big clouds? DON'T ANSWER THAT.... Your answer has no meaning to ME, as I am just quiting a BAD Habit, NOT doing it for FUN...

Vape On

 

[emus]

I get a kick out of "sport vaping" now and then; I figure the zero nic can't hurt.

 

[evgeny131]

Trident RBA on 69 by Atmomixani with Brass Kit
0.3ohm Quad Coil using 0.5mm Ribbon Kanthal and 3mm Twisted Russian Ekowool

 

[Krazirob]

I'm on the why-train as well. If one is chasing the feeling of inhaling something massive, why up the VG ratio and cut the nic strength?

Makes me wonder if it is all about looks?

the thing is they do up the VG ratio and they are usually vaping 0 nic or very low nic.......thats how they are blowing smoke grenades out their mouth....LOL

 

[emus]

If you took a Pinoy style 12mg vape on a Pinoy steamer the throat hit would probably knock you out; at least make you cough and maybe tear.
I just use 0 mg to avoid the intense TH.
It is mostly about the look, blowing Os, etc.
I do get a slight TH even at 0mg which is a bonus.

 

[tc1]

If "blowing clouds" keeps someone vaping ... then more power to them.

The only thing that concerns me is having too many people do it in public places. It could be off-putting to others and have negative impacts on the vaping community.

Personally, I love a nice thick cloud but I by no means "chase clouds". There are times when I just want a lighter vape. But why do I sometimes like a nice thick cloud? Makes my lungs feel nice and full plus it is visually pleasing to me. I am however conscious about others who may not want to be "swimming in my clouds".

But again ... whatever floats your boat. A good vape is a good vape ... whether that's a light, thick, or atomic cloud.

 

[dr g]

Folks, cigarettes are not the only way tobacco is used. People in America by and large used cigarettes and they serve a means to an end, getting the nic and MAOI fix. Other cultures don't have such utilitarian relationships with tobacco. Billowing clouds and socialization are a large parts of the enjoyment of hookah smoking, and many vapers whether they know it or not are arriving at that aesthetic with big-volume setups.

 

[Sickkboy]

I love blowing a huge cloud, I could blow 20 vapor ring in 1 full lung hit, I'm aware of battery limitation and running 0.7 ohm coils doesn't stress it to that point.

 

[DaveP]

All I ask is for sub ohm vapers to visit Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University and learn about 3.7v battery theory and practicality before wrapping up a .3 ohm coil. If you know what you are doing and enjoy it, and you understand the pitfalls to avoid, more power to you.

I just don't want to see a thread where an unprotected Li-ion batt blew up with someone saying, "<insert forum name> said it was safe.". At least stress high C rating lMR batts in every thread.

There is some accountability for what we post. Posts live forever on the internet.

 

[Fury83]

All I ask is for sub ohm vapers to visit Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University and learn about 3.7v battery theory and practicality before wrapping up a .3 ohm coil. If you know what you are doing and enjoy it, and you understand the pitfalls to avoid, more power to you.

I just don't want to see a thread where an unprotected Li-ion batt blew up with someone saying, "<insert forum name> said it was safe.". At least stress high C rating lMR batts in every thread.

There is some accountability for what we post. Posts live forever on the internet.

I think every vaper should read that but I also know someone will still do something dumb and blame others for their actions. It's just the way it is.

As for subohm, doesn't do much for me. I like around 1.2ohms on most of my stuff. Some people do it for "sport" and some for flavor, just do whatever you do safely and stay off of cigarettes.

 

[Richard75]

All I ask is for sub ohm vapers to visit Basic to Advanced Battery Information from Battery University and learn about 3.7v battery theory and practicality before wrapping up a .3 ohm coil. If you know what you are doing and enjoy it, and you understand the pitfalls to avoid, more power to you.

I just don't want to see a thread where an unprotected Li-ion batt blew up with someone saying, "<insert forum name> said it was safe.". At least stress high C rating lMR batts in every thread.

There is some accountability for what we post. Posts live forever on the internet.

While that stuff isn't exactly differential calculus, I know people my own age that can't solve a basic algebraic equation, let alone do arithmetic in their head at a cash register. There are going to be many who are directed there, get frustrated at not understanding it, and wrap those coils anyway. I'm all for math and science education, but this is about people's safety, and we might have to do the work for those people. What I mean is, we need a list of known batteries and the lowest resistance you can safely go (forget the amp limit and the C rating, save that for the people curious about the technicalities), then perhaps include many, many pictures of batteries that have gone thermal.

 

[nosaj03]

I for one like to "attempt" to blow clouds but Im more in it for the flavor and more importantly to quit tobacco. Its great and impressive to see people blowing clouds but its not the reason I vape. I dont have a problem with those who enjoy it either.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Not villans at all. Just very real and admittedly 'crappy' politics.

Recreational vaping vs Alternative to Smoking
Nothing 'wrong' with either for those of us who 'get it', especially if you do it in private and safe conditions.

Cloud Blowing Youtube Videos can be used in courts, media outlets, and legislative hearings to give the impression that it has transformed into a 'recreational' product that could be a 'public' health hazard. In more populated areas, where thousands of people can live/work/play in the same building/area as you changes the equation from a 'legal and political' perspective.

When I first started vaping there were indeed LOTS of videos on YouTube...the bulk of them were talking about the benifits of kicking the 'smoking' habit, or general tips on how to make vaping easier/less expensive.

Today it's a starting to look a lot different...(Dude! I can get nic buzz from hell on this! Look at this Cloud! I smuggled this in from China, tax free for only $9.99!)

Many of these type folks probably never were 'smokers' (some are even looking alot like under-age users)...they never even mention it if they are kicking a tobacco habit. Totally recreational...addicted to something 'cool'. FDA has their guns trained on us.

If nothing is wrong with either as you said, then why should they be done in private?
I didn't smoke in private- I'm not going to vape in private.

 

[Baditude]

We need a list of known batteries and the lowest resistance you can safely go (forget the amp limit and the C rating, save that for the people curious about the technicalities), then perhaps include many, many pictures of batteries that have gone thermal.

The below batteries are suggested for sub-ohm coils down to 0.8 ohm. Do not go below this resistance with these batteries:

AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18490 (1100mah) 8.8A (16.5A?)
18350 ​(700mah) 6A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PF (LiNiCOMnO2) INR/ICR/IMR Hybrid 2900mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A

Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-22P 2200mAh 10A

Sony
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A

EH IMR
18650 2000 mAh 16A
18500 1100 mAh 8.8A
18350 800 mAh 6.4A

Efest IMR
18650 (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
18650 2000mAh 10A
18490 1100mah 8.8A
18350 800mah 6.4A​

For sub ohm builds below 0.8 ohm, use only the following batteries:

AW IMR
18650 1600mah 24A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Orbtronic
18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A

Samsung hybrid
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sanyo hybrid
UR18650EX 2000mAh 20A

Sony
us18650vct3 (hybrid) 1600mAh 30A

EH IMR
18650 2000 mAh 16A
18650 1500 mAh 22A

Efest IMR
18650 1600mAh 30A​

The below mod batteries short circuited and went into thermal runaway. DO NOT attempt to pull more amps from your battery than they were designed to give.

 

[ScandaLeX]

@Bad~ by any chance did you save the pic of the backpack (the one the guys batt went nuclear- maybe by touching something inside or a zipper)?

 

[dr g]

tsk tsk bad, how many of those batteries went up while vaping?

 

[TS12000]

As is my philosophy on most things except women, You do you I'll do me and leave me alone.

(Have ventured into sub but mainly stay super if anyone cares)

 

[Baditude]

@Bad~ by any chance did you save the pic of the backpack (the one the guys batt went nuclear- maybe by touching something inside or a zipper)?

This one. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/472990-hi-all-shaken-up-provari-aw-18490-battery-owner.html

 

[Credo]

If nothing is wrong with either as you said, then why should they be done in private?
I didn't smoke in private- I'm not going to vape in private.

I believe I attempted to explain as best as I can to the point I've already hogged the thread.

Most forms of smoking did not use an Ion battery under stressed high current application, capable of some serious damage to the user and people around him. There are reasons that the stock stuff doesn't use a sub-ohm set-up. There are reasons such set-ups are sold as 'kits' you have to build yourself (if it were safer...they'd sell them out of the box this way...and most of this discussion would be a moot point).

Yes, in the future, the battery tech will get better and it will be tested more thoroughly. If it's really all that much better...we'll see sub-ohm mini cigs. It's just that right now...people building from these kits need to be really CAREFUL and considerate of the people around them when using such kits.

Are you rocking a 0.3 ohm quad coil fog machine with a cheap, two year old, under-rated 18350 battery that was charged with a 4 year old cheap/junky charger on the public bus?

That's very different from a normal and safe high powered vape that can be kept in your own personal space.

Like the motorcycle guy said a few posts ago...the really loud dirt bike with no safety gear for road driving wasn't meant to be driven on an interstate, in traffic. It was meant for a dirt track, where those around you know what is involved and choose to be there anyway.

MY opinion is just one. Public opinion is a whole different animal.

Public opinion about vaping could easily turn sour...and all the pushes to ban and regulate vaping will happen all that much faster.

A massive room fogging cloud in a public area? That's just TRYING to get vaping banned isn't it?

 

[emus]

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This one. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/472990-hi-all-shaken-up-provari-aw-18490-battery-owner.html

Is provari regulated to prevent sub-ohm use?