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I haven't had a single leak in any of mine Quigs

I've never done the vented screw method, I don't have an issue with brass so I just completed the hole in the stock pin and tubed it...but ya, I had one dribble from a bad o ring and that was it...I was just wondering, if you thread the insulator to accept the vented screw, doesn't adjustment become a PITA?

I made some vented SS screws recently cause I was having some air hole alignment issues but I just loosened the body and rotated it after the rda was screwed down and because I'm inherently lazy, I just left it at that...I think I have to try this vented screw thing.
 

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I've never done the vented screw method, I don't have an issue with brass so I just completed the hole in the stock pin and tubed it...but ya, I had one dribble from a bad o ring and that was it...I was just wondering, if you thread the insulator to accept the vented screw, doesn't adjustment become a PITA?

I made some vented SS screws recently cause I was having some air hole alignment issues but I just loosened the body and rotated it after the rda was screwed down and because I'm inherently lazy, I just left it at that...I think I have to try this vented screw thing.

The vented screw is by far the best setup Quigs and yes it's not as easily adjustable as you may think, I need to remove the tube and sometimes the nut to adjust the screw but at least it's strong and leak free
 

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The vented screw is by far the best setup Quigs and yes it's not as easily adjustable as you may think, I need to remove the tube and sometimes the nut to adjust the screw but at least it's strong and leak free

well dang it...I guess I am incompetent :unsure:

maybe I should give it another go before I go to the trouble of making my own (and screwing that up too!!)
 

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Quigs the adjustment is a pita for folks who swap atties frequently but I don't swap at all ( I am currently only using two different bf atties)

I'm not a real big swapper either...if I get a new RDA I really like, I most likely build a new mod for it :facepalm:

...though it seems the mods I'm building these days don't have a thick enough deck to accommodate direct attachment of the RDA via my hybrid model so I'm using the FD's...another thought I had was now that I have the lathe I was going to make two of my Derringers hybrids and ditch the guts/center pins on the v3's on my dibi clones.
 

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I figured as much...I stumbled across the vented screw mod after I'd already done a couple "drill out the brass thingy and solder a tube in it" method...is the driver to go with the vented screw an SS thing or a leak thing?

The vented screw is by far the best setup Quigs and yes it's not as easily adjustable as you may think, I need to remove the tube and sometimes the nut to adjust the screw but at least it's strong and leak free

I'm glad this has come up again, as I have been wasting a lot of thinking time considering this recently without a truly satisfactory solution.
I've done both drilling a brass screw,and drilling the original plain FD brass pin brass to just under 1.8mm to get a nice stiff interference fit for the pin, this is on the V4 with standard core (the stainless vented screws are over $50 for ten if we buy on amazon here in Oz, so haven't tried them), and I've also used the V3 with the already OVERDRILLED BF brass contact,and the use of glue (not ideal, but preferable to solder is the ss pin is not and has the flange cut off so the brass pin contacting the atty pin) to fill the void between the hole in the brass contact pin and the ss pin.

My thoughts are this, (I predominately use Igo-L's drilled, and modified by grinding a dish in the well, they seem to be about in the middle as far as pin length)
for a MOD THAT I AM GOING TO ONLY USE MYSELF, I have no issue (well almost none but i will get to that later) with either setup, as most of my attys are going to fit without any adjustment,on the other hand if the mod is for a friend or less experienced vaper/modding minded person, then the drilled screw method begins to look like a pain for the mod maker, want we want is a close to 100% reliable system that does not come back to us with problems and leaks, having to loosen the positive connection to adjust the pin height is not a good look when explaining this to a new user, and could lead to a failure or broken part in this area.
With the drilling of the original non BF pin in the V4 core you want a 1.75mm drill bit, and you will be all good for an interference fit with the pin, I only had a 1.6mm and it took some careful enlarging of that hole after the initial drilling, I found however that I needed to add an extra o-ring to the V4 core to get a firm enough feeling connection with the Igo-L, but i have had ZERO leaks on that one and I don't have any solder to consider, this is how the proper BF pin setup should be IMO, a decent interference fit out of the gate. I do however have two small issues with this set up despite it's relatively effective self adjusting advantage.
No1. the interior of the ss FD pin is tiny, maybe 1mm and this does not lead to effortless squonking, which takes away from the pleasure of it's use, the ID needs to be around 1.6- 1.8mm to offer little or no squonking resistance, this is the hole size in mt drilled brass screw and the squonking action is sublime especially with the Vapage XL bottle.
My last gripe with this setup is with the positive connection or inherent lack of a decent one and the space swallowed up by creating one,soldering dirrectly to the brass core pin on the V4 is more practical than on the v3 but it's still not ideal at strip down time, having to screw in unscrew the core is a fiddly procedure with those fine delrin threads, and is not fun with the connector in situe inside the box, so a clamping collar is the only real alternative and this swallows up around 3-4mm of space in area I am constantly struggling for space. As I write this i am thinking that soldering directly to that brass pin could be much more compact in this last regard and assumming your interference fit is good enough you have a choice to either use the SS top flange as your contact point with the atty or cut it of and just use the shaft of the ss pin for an internal liner for the brass pin, although this would definitely require the extra o-ring as you would end up with a looser connection at the atty otherwise.
So what is the ideal solution? In my mind it would be fairly simple for FD to implement. A longer brass drilled BF pin with the same size hole as presently (around 2mm) and gold plate it for the most low profile option, to be soldered at the pos connection. For a more versatile but more space hungry alternative, we would want the same thing, but with a threaded section to take two clamping nuts and enough space or a 0.4-0.7mm plate to be clamped by said nuts, add to this two extra o-rings for adjustment and we would be in business.
The other reason I don't really want to go with the classic FD 510 is the lack of plain 22mm flat top that is available in the V4, and although not plain the V3 has a 22MM option with the upsizer ring.
Brass contacting juice isn't just about the proposed health issues some are fearful of (not me) it's a conductivity drop when green and gunky and it's cleaning issue, gold plating for such a small item would be such a small additional cost for a large batch, and in return we would have a truly plug and play and forget system, the small silicone o-rings that go inside the connector from the top work well in some instances, but as a last point an o-ring channel in the top of the connector would also be a welcome addition.
All this does rely on O-rings and although not a lifelong reliable part, if correctly installed set up they allow for the all important flexibility to adjust to very slightly different length atty pos post without user input and still retain a good seal for a long time, and can be replace should they need it.
Just my :2c:
 
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studio, that :2c: would buy you a couple of shots of tequila around here ;)

I'm not a real big swapper either...if I get a new RDA I really like, I most likely build a new mod for it :facepalm:

...though it seems the mods I'm building these days don't have a thick enough deck to accommodate direct attachment of the RDA via my hybrid model so I'm using the FD's...another thought I had was now that I have the lathe I was going to make two of my Derringers hybrids and ditch the guts/center pins on the v3's on my dibi clones.

please give us some good close-ups when you do :). One day I'm going to get the nerve to try that.


18mm ......

the perfect size for a squonker if you ask me. Just wish we had more to choose from.
 

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Hey guys

Let me get your opinion on something. Since you've all seen the spline that I put together for my "zero-ish" mod...you know, the one that took me two hours and has to be redone...

I have been thinking of purchasing a cross slide vise and mounting it on my shopsmith main table to be used as a dp vise. It would have the added benefit of x-y travel, which I do not have now...
The problem I have is that almost every cross slide vise I have looked at get horrible reviews. it seems like they are all equally bad, even a Wilton at $130.

So I am looking at a different option. I plan on only milling alum and wood...no carbon and no stainless.
Do any of you have experience with a cross slide vise? The idea of having to buy something to disassemble it, remove all the grease, file and lap the ways, re-lube it, re-assemble it, and adjust the play out of it really doesn't turn me on.
Am I just being paranoid here? I only want REASONABLY ACCCURATE...

I do not want to spend a ton of money on a mill... the shopsmith will do what I need as long as I don't push it too hard... Light cuts, etc.

Have a look at this: Total price for the table is $109 and a 3" vice is about $20. All I would have to do is mount it to a piece of plywood and then clamp the plywood in the miter slots of the shopsmith table.
Any experience with this?

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Thanks in advance for your help!
Geo
 

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this is what I ended up with ..only because I had one . got some fd coming in the mail . this is nice and hefty .not to much sticking into the mod. has a drilled ss screw. cant show you the mod jet the varnish need to cure ..still tacky.
finished a derringer to day that's probably going on top this mod. there is a gap between the atty and the chi yu deck so I have to make a rubber guscet for it . sure not ideal .
 

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I'm glad this has come up again, as I have been wasting a lot of thinking time considering this recently without a truly satisfactory solution.
I've done both drilling a brass screw,and drilling the original plain FD brass pin brass to just under 1.8mm to get a nice stiff interference fit for the pin, this is on the V4 with standard core (the stainless vented screws are over $50 for ten if we buy on amazon here in Oz, so haven't tried them), and I've also used the V3 with the already OVERDRILLED BF brass contact,and the use of glue (not ideal, but preferable to solder is the ss pin is not and has the flange cut off so the brass pin contacting the atty pin) to fill the void between the hole in the brass contact pin and the ss pin.

My thoughts are this, (I predominately use Igo-L's drilled, and modified by grinding a dish in the well, they seem to be about in the middle as far as pin length)
for a MOD THAT I AM GOING TO ONLY USE MYSELF, I have no issue (well almost none but i will get to that later) with either setup, as most of my attys are going to fit without any adjustment,on the other hand if the mod is for a friend or less experienced vaper/modding minded person, then the drilled screw method begins to look like a pain for the mod maker, want we want is a close to 100% reliable system that does not come back to us with problems and leaks, having to loosen the positive connection to adjust the pin height is not a good look when explaining this to a new user, and could lead to a failure or broken part in this area.
With the drilling of the original non BF pin in the V4 core you want a 1.75mm drill bit, and you will be all good for an interference fit with the pin, I only had a 1.6mm and it took some careful enlarging of that hole after the initial drilling, I found however that I needed to add an extra o-ring to the V4 core to get a firm enough feeling connection with the Igo-L, but i have had ZERO leaks on that one and I don't have any solder to consider, this is how the proper BF pin setup should be IMO, a decent interference fit out of the gate. I do however have two small issues with this set up despite it's relatively effective self adjusting advantage.
No1. the interior of the ss FD pin is tiny, maybe 1mm and this does not lead to effortless squonking, which takes away from the pleasure of it's use, the ID needs to be around 1.6- 1.8mm to offer little or no squonking resistance, this is the hole size in mt drilled brass screw and the squonking action is sublime especially with the Vapage XL bottle.
My last gripe with this setup is with the positive connection or inherent lack of a decent one and the space swallowed up by creating one,soldering dirrectly to the brass core pin on the V4 is more practical than on the v3 but it's still not ideal at strip down time, having to screw in unscrew the core is a fiddly procedure with those fine delrin threads, and is not fun with the connector in situe inside the box, so a clamping collar is the only real alternative and this swallows up around 3-4mm of space in area I am constantly struggling for space. As I write this i am thinking that soldering directly to that brass pin could be much more compact in this last regard and assumming your interference fit is good enough you have a choice to either use the SS top flange as your contact point with the atty or cut it of and just use the shaft of the ss pin for an internal liner for the brass pin, although this would definitely require the extra o-ring as you would end up with a looser connection at the atty otherwise.
So what is the ideal solution? In my mind it would be fairly simple for FD to implement. A longer brass drilled BF pin with the same size hole as presently (around 2mm) and gold plate it for the most low profile option, to be soldered at the pos connection. For a more versatile but more space hungry alternative, we would want the same thing, but with a threaded section to take two clamping nuts and enough space or a 0.4-0.7mm plate to be clamped by said nuts, add to this two extra o-rings for adjustment and we would be in business.
The other reason I don't really want to go with the classic FD 510 is the lack of plain 22mm flat top that is available in the V4, and although not plain the V3 has a 22MM option with the upsizer ring.
Brass contacting juice isn't just about the proposed health issues some are fearful of (not me) it's a conductivity drop when green and gunky and it's cleaning issue, gold plating for such a small item would be such a small additional cost for a large batch, and in return we would have a truly plug and play and forget system, the small silicone o-rings that go inside the connector from the top work well in some instances, but as a last point an o-ring channel in the top of the connector would also be a welcome addition.
All this does rely on O-rings and although not a lifelong reliable part, if correctly installed set up they allow for the all important flexibility to adjust to very slightly different length atty pos post without user input and still retain a good seal for a long time, and can be replace should they need it.
Just my :2c:

Studio I found this vented screw in Amazon and it's bore is wider than the phillips head one that everyone has. I use these exclusively now and they make for much easier squonking action.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00137U126/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

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Do you know the outer diameter of the Nuppin'?
I ordered one regardless, I just want to know if I need to order another Reo, Peko, or Capt. Steve "Yellow Special" to best suit it.

As Roscoe said they're 18mm and frankly the ideal size for a bottom fed atty. I have one already and just ordered another 4 from Peter and I intend to make some custom mods for a couple of them. The great thing with the Nuppin' is that the air hole is quite far up the atty so it's a perfect candidate for sinking it in a mod for a low top profile.
For the past 8 months I vape exclusively the Odin because it's a fantastic BFer until I tried the Nuppin' and was blown away by the flavor and vapor. It provides a slightly warmer vape than the Odin but the flavor is off the charts.
Peter came up with and incredible little atty
 

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Hey guys

Let me get your opinion on something. Since you've all seen the spline that I put together for my "zero-ish" mod...you know, the one that took me two hours and has to be redone...

I have been thinking of purchasing a cross slide vise and mounting it on my shopsmith main table to be used as a dp vise. It would have the added benefit of x-y travel, which I do not have now...
The problem I have is that almost every cross slide vise I have looked at get horrible reviews. it seems like they are all equally bad, even a Wilton at $130.

So I am looking at a different option. I plan on only milling alum and wood...no carbon and no stainless.
Do any of you have experience with a cross slide vise? The idea of having to buy something to disassemble it, remove all the grease, file and lap the ways, re-lube it, re-assemble it, and adjust the play out of it really doesn't turn me on.
Am I just being paranoid here? I only want REASONABLY ACCCURATE...

I do not want to spend a ton of money on a mill... the shopsmith will do what I need as long as I don't push it too hard... Light cuts, etc.

Have a look at this: Total price for the table is $109 and a 3" vice is about $20. All I would have to do is mount it to a piece of plywood and then clamp the plywood in the miter slots of the shopsmith table.
Any experience with this?

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Thanks in advance for your help!
Geo

Geo if you're after "reasonably accurate" go for it brother, and you don't need to mod it. All those reviews you read are written by guys who are after 0.05 accuracy. For what we do you honestly don't need anywhere near that. I would say that for what you want to do this will do just fine.
 

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I bought a new Shopsmith last year after subscribing to this thread. Yea, I tell people that I bought it so I could save money making my own mods, but the truth is that my first mod is pretty far down on the jobs list for my SS.

Anyway, I went through the same frustration looking for a cross-slide vise and never settled on one. Captain, the bad reviews I've seen on these things are not about precision, they're about function. Pretty much need a machine shop to get them working (I'm probably exaggerating here).

Eagle, Please do follow up if you get one that works for your SS.

. . .

HOLY SMOKES! I just found a Wilton 11688 vise normally priced above $500 for $2.10 plus ~$20 shipping at toolorbit.com The site gets very mixed reviews from resellerratings.com and overall decent reviews from sitejabber.com (sitejabber reviews seem to have several shills). It probably IS too good to be true, but I'm taking a chance anyway.


ETA: Their shipping policy may have this fluke covered,
We work hard to keep our prices, model numbers and descriptions up-to-date on the portal; however, some information on the website might be outdated. Please be advised that ToolOrbit.com will not be responsible for such incorrect and/or typographical mistakes in pricing, model number and/or descriptions on the site and reserves the right to make corrections without any notice. You will be informed about any change in the information before your order is processed; orders with incorrect prices will not be honored.

We'll see. I'll keep a close watch on my Paypal account as well.
 
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Haven't had much time for modding lately, but I finally got started a pair of 6061 blocks. I figure I'll just build 'em both at the same time.


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They will end up fully rounded, similar to a Dibi. I've used Sketchup a little, but haven't quite mastered it... I figured the best way to proceed is just to dive in head first and see what happens. :)
 

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I bought a new Shopsmith last year after subscribing to this thread. Yea, I tell people that I bought it so I could save money making my own mods, but the truth is that my first mod is pretty far down on the jobs list for my SS.

Anyway, I went through the same frustration looking for a cross-slide vise and never settled on one. Captain, the bad reviews I've seen on these things are not about precision, they're about function. Pretty much need a machine shop to get them working (I'm probably exaggerating here).

Eagle, Please do follow up if you get one that works for your SS.

. . .

HOLY SMOKES! I just found a Wilton 11688 vise normally priced above $500 for $2.10 plus ~$20 shipping at toolorbit.com The site gets very mixed reviews from resellerratings.com and overall decent reviews from sitejabber.com (sitejabber reviews seem to have several shills). It probably IS too good to be true, but I'm taking a chance anyway.


ETA: Their shipping policy may have this fluke covered,


We'll see. I'll keep a close watch on my Paypal account as well.

Hey Bimini

I have a shopsmith for about 23 years now... not the same one, though. I sold mine to my dad and purchased my father in laws 510, so my original is still going strong. The 510 I bought from my F-I-L was actually a bit older than the one I sold, but hadn't logged as many hours.

Its really a sound machine and the build quality is excellent. Once you get used to thinking out your project a bit it really isn't a hinderance to have to change it over between modes. I would recommend one to someone without hesitation.

I am likely going to get the Grizzly table and vise. I am just too afraid of the rotten reviews on the china cross slide vices. It would be nice to have an extra main table to attach the x-y table to, but Ill figure it out and will let you know how it works...

thanks for the help, guys!!

Geo
 
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