Bountiful, Utah e-cigarette shops have business licenses revoked for 2014
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If these stores are in violation they should have never been issued a license, rather than being given the go ahead to invest a bunch of money and time to start a viable business only to have the rug pulled out from under them with what effectively amounts to no notice.
It seems that the City decided after the fact these vape shops were in the same class as tobacco shops, tobacco shops are limited as to where they can be located by state law. I disagree with this change in classification, and completely disagree with the amount of time these shops were given to make a case, wrong is wrong.
Seems some in government tout small business as a means for growth, while other don't want them to succeed if they decide that the business is in the way of their desire to control every aspect of a citizens life. I would hope the City has a change of heart and works with these shops for the benefit of all.
It seems that the City decided after the fact these vape shops were in the same class as tobacco shops, tobacco shops are limited as to where they can be located by state law. I disagree with this change in classification, and completely disagree with the amount of time these shops were given to make a case, wrong is wrong.
Seems some in government tout small business as a means for growth, while other don't want them to succeed if they decide that the business is in the way of their desire to control every aspect of a citizens life. I would hope the City has a change of heart and works with these shops for the benefit of all.
Yeah, you have to wonder at what checks and balances they have in place when initiating a tenancy contract to a business, and then issuing licenses, and what kind of arrangement allows only 5 days notice to pack up and get out ?
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Let's ask the Tobacco Control Network, they might clue us in. Tobacco Control Network. I'd love to see their 2012-13 policy plans...
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-t...o-european-tobacco-control-status-report-2013
there are other culprits to ask as well of course. (TSET, UN, WHO, BP)
perhaps these places might have leads..
Medicaid Clients To Get Help To Quit Smoking | Connecticut Health Investigative Team
Grants help states combat high-cost, low-quality health care | Seattle/LocalHealthGuide
NEWS & MEDIA | STTAC
and on down the line. Surely Utah has their own special needs carrots...
Utah places tobacco into their mental health, substance abuse categories...
http://www.dsamh.utah.gov
Has anyone seen the documentary about hitlers crusade against ...
http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-t...o-european-tobacco-control-status-report-2013
there are other culprits to ask as well of course. (TSET, UN, WHO, BP)
perhaps these places might have leads..
Medicaid Clients To Get Help To Quit Smoking | Connecticut Health Investigative Team
Grants help states combat high-cost, low-quality health care | Seattle/LocalHealthGuide
NEWS & MEDIA | STTAC
and on down the line. Surely Utah has their own special needs carrots...
Utah places tobacco into their mental health, substance abuse categories...
http://www.dsamh.utah.gov
Has anyone seen the documentary about hitlers crusade against ...
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This was on NPR yesterday. I came here to post this topic exactly.
These guys have had perfectly legal, within the law operating businesses. They have been very much so needed as well, because for some reason over the past two years there has been an epic explosion of users of vapor products in Utah. Electronicstix was the first I knew about, and they are the best as far as I'm concerned, but there's only two of them and not everyone is into VV/VW Mods or sub-ohm vaping. I know a good amount of people who have all stopped smoking analogs because they were able to get exactly what they wanted out of the vapor world! I guess that's besides the point though...
When the 2009 law taxing tobacco products for children's schooling and whatnot there was a tobacco shop, Jeannies, who went out of business for a time because they had something like $50,000 in taxes on products they had already payed taxes for. Luckily onbe fo the other local shop owners bought them out and kept it pretty much the same. This is just how Utah works. We have a very religious (LDS) government, and they also love to mess with Liquor laws and licenses.
But it's not always the Legislators or Reps or Congresscritters; a law was passed recently that allowed Bars to be in residential neighborhoods. Great! Except there's one problem. Large amounts of every neighborhood in Utah are LDS. These people whine and complain. A bar called Brewhaha has been trying to get a liquor license for something like 2 or 3 years now. They have a business near the Foothill (east bench) area where there's of course a bunch of Mormons. The Liquor board has denied this business it's license every time they go in to appeal. They have now changed names and have become a stupid little coffee/food shop that's going to tank by next Fall.
We will never get anywhere in Utah with Mormon Representatives. The Salt Lake City Mayor is our only friend, and he's busy trying to get every gay marriage done he can (hell yeah!!!) before the Governor and Attorney General nip that in the bud. We're a state run by the Mormon Church. There's no getting around that unless you're lucky.
Edit: I'd prefer it to just be that some government officials hate small businesses, that would be more acceptable. These places were issued a license and now the cool thing to do as a govt. official is to bash vapor products. The "selling to children" thing is the argument for everything that has been taken away from us, or made harder to obtain. All they need is better regulation of shops. That's it. Revoke the licenses of those that fail stings and such, let the ones that comply stay. They make money on taxes, but they really don't seem to care at all. It's more about being a Nanny State to everyone.
These guys have had perfectly legal, within the law operating businesses. They have been very much so needed as well, because for some reason over the past two years there has been an epic explosion of users of vapor products in Utah. Electronicstix was the first I knew about, and they are the best as far as I'm concerned, but there's only two of them and not everyone is into VV/VW Mods or sub-ohm vaping. I know a good amount of people who have all stopped smoking analogs because they were able to get exactly what they wanted out of the vapor world! I guess that's besides the point though...
When the 2009 law taxing tobacco products for children's schooling and whatnot there was a tobacco shop, Jeannies, who went out of business for a time because they had something like $50,000 in taxes on products they had already payed taxes for. Luckily onbe fo the other local shop owners bought them out and kept it pretty much the same. This is just how Utah works. We have a very religious (LDS) government, and they also love to mess with Liquor laws and licenses.
But it's not always the Legislators or Reps or Congresscritters; a law was passed recently that allowed Bars to be in residential neighborhoods. Great! Except there's one problem. Large amounts of every neighborhood in Utah are LDS. These people whine and complain. A bar called Brewhaha has been trying to get a liquor license for something like 2 or 3 years now. They have a business near the Foothill (east bench) area where there's of course a bunch of Mormons. The Liquor board has denied this business it's license every time they go in to appeal. They have now changed names and have become a stupid little coffee/food shop that's going to tank by next Fall.
We will never get anywhere in Utah with Mormon Representatives. The Salt Lake City Mayor is our only friend, and he's busy trying to get every gay marriage done he can (hell yeah!!!) before the Governor and Attorney General nip that in the bud. We're a state run by the Mormon Church. There's no getting around that unless you're lucky.
Edit: I'd prefer it to just be that some government officials hate small businesses, that would be more acceptable. These places were issued a license and now the cool thing to do as a govt. official is to bash vapor products. The "selling to children" thing is the argument for everything that has been taken away from us, or made harder to obtain. All they need is better regulation of shops. That's it. Revoke the licenses of those that fail stings and such, let the ones that comply stay. They make money on taxes, but they really don't seem to care at all. It's more about being a Nanny State to everyone.
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I live in what is affectionately called a 'dry" county. As a full grown adult woman, I can't even order a margerita with my mexican food.
then I found out we are not *technically* a dry county. It's just that there are only X number of liquor licenses, and the area churches bought them up years and years ago.......and they pay to renew them faithfully year after year.
I imagine these vaping businesses will have attorneys at-the-ready. I know I would.
then I found out we are not *technically* a dry county. It's just that there are only X number of liquor licenses, and the area churches bought them up years and years ago.......and they pay to renew them faithfully year after year.
I imagine these vaping businesses will have attorneys at-the-ready. I know I would.
I hope they do, but these people already have invested a large chunk of money to open their businesses. I fear that they will have no way to fight this, and it's most assuredly written law they would be battling. Unless you get to the Supreme Court very quietly like the gay marriage thing, your'e SOL.
Please sign this petition to keep the Vapor shops in Bountiful Utah, open for business.
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