Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[WitchWay]

Oh, Witchy Girl, it's not the same without you, you know. Thanks for the tip on the 510s. I knew somebody pulled the trigger on those, and you were of course my first pick, just a hair ahead of Lorikay.

Civic duty is good. Builds character.

Do we have your permission to move your Master List to the Master Thread as is, for the time being? Since you have no time to work on it, it's better than no list at all. It's actually quite comprehensive. Just say yes and go to sleep.

LOL yes, that's more than fine But no sleep for the wicked. I'm doing everything I can to keep work up to date as much as possible. Hopefully my jury nightmare will be done tomorrow or Thursday. Jury duty would be much better if it was some interesting criminal case, but no, I got stuck on a very boring, stupid civil case. By law that's all I can say about it

*hugs*

btw I did send you and Kent packages on Monday so be on the lookout Which reminds me... Missy gave the ok to use the E2s on the WetBox, but I haven't tried it yet.

I'm really gone now!!

 

[Katya]

LOL yes, that's more than fine But no sleep for the wicked. I'm doing everything I can to keep work up to date as much as possible. Hopefully my jury nightmare will be done tomorrow or Thursday. Jury duty would be much better if it was some interesting criminal case, but no, I got stuck on a very boring, stupid civil case. By law that's all I can say about it

*hugs*

btw I did send you and Kent packages on Monday so be on the lookout Which reminds me... Missy gave the ok to use the E2s on the WetBox, but I haven't tried it yet.

I'm really gone now!!

I say hang 'em high. I'm sure they're guilty.

Thanks.

 

[Kent C]

You're welcome. But now I'm confused. Are you burning COV LR 510s on your Tornado? Or on your Wetbox?

A week? I'm done after 2-3 days. I find that 5-6 ml of eliquid is all a carto can successfully handle. They all begin to taste funky to me after that. Do you clean them?

The wetbox's switch is not rated well enough for (well, this is what I'm finding out)... say, any ohms lower than 2.8. So, no LRs for the wetbox. The 'high performance' 2.8Ω COV Boge's are the ones I just ordered to try. I've only had the Nhaler 3.4Ω 'mega' cartos, and the SLB 3.0Ω - both vape well - the latter being more vapor of course.

My best eGo carto is the Provapes @1.6Ω

Best carto for the Bartleby and Protege (with higher rated switches) was the new ones that COV has at 1.8-2.0Ω BUT... they don't last or haven't lasted for me*. I'm out of them as well and wasn't going to buy anymore but the 'experience' (vapor and flavor) was so good I ordered more. Hopefully some will be on the 2.0Ω side. The others were on the 1.8 side. So... actually the one* I have on the Protege is working well - I'm guessing it isn't getting full voltage under load which I can't measure. Just a theory. The Barts burn them out in 4 or 5 days.

I don't clean cartoz. I'm using the same ejuice in each, and I think the high heat is the best atty cleaner - a 'wet burn'. I've offed a few attys doing dry burns, so I just don't do it, esp. when 151 vodka cleans them (attys) if needed. [if you're going to shorten it, why not "aty" - there isn't two "t's" in atomizer? ]

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[Kent C]

I say hang 'em high. I'm sure they're guilty.

Thanks.

Yeah, thanks WW!

And Katya - do we think alike or what?!? I was going to go with 'Hang 'em high, unless it's some trumped up law by the gov't taking away our liberties'. Meddlers! Looters! Then scrolled down and saw your post. Civil case - isn't that when someone spills hot coffee on their lap and blames someone else or something? Moochers! Rhetorical to WW..... don't answer that.

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Dr. Cameron: Was that rhetorical?
House: No. Just seems that way because you can't think of an answer.

 

[Katya]

Hey, it's your language. I'm just trying to use it.
-Victor Borge

I forgot that you're living on the edge. I'm sure there's no residue of any kind in your cartomizers. Complete incineration. What's your sweet spot? 10W?

 

[Kent C]

Hey, it's your language. I'm just trying to use it.
-Victor Borge

I forgot that you're living on the edge. I'm sure there's no residue of any kind in your cartomizers. Complete incineration. What's your sweet spot? 10W?

Not true... didn't you see the Mythbusters episode where they put there hands in molten lead? Keep it wet - that's the answer. My sweetspot is 6-8W. Except for the wetbox. no jokes...

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House: That was the whole idea.
Dr. Wilson: You wanted to kill yourself?!?!
House: I wanted to nearly kill myself.

 

[Katya]

Sorry Katya, but I don't see any post by Kent on that page. I either need the post # or if you could click on the post number then paste that link here, it should bring up that particular post.

This happens because people have their page views set differently so if ours aren't the same, what's one page for you will be different for me. The post #s, however, never change.

BTW....I see why we don't get to meet very often here....since we're on opposite sides of the country!

Lu

Lu, just to simplify things, these two are ready to be moved. WitchWay's chart will be edited when she's done with her jury duty. She said it's OK to move it as is for now. Post 1225, just in case.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-123.html#post1543528

Kent's chart is GTG. Post 1802.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-181.html#post1657979

And Katya - do we think alike or what?!?

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Dr. Cameron: It's hard to work for a guy who doesn't respect me.
House: Why?
Dr. Cameron: Was that rhetorical?
House: No. Just seems that way because you can't think of an answer.

We do, don't we?

But we don't want Elendil to move this thread to the Outside, next to that other thread, do we?

Keep it wet - that's the answer. My sweetspot is 6-8W. Except for the wetbox. no jokes...

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Dr. Wilson: You're an idiot. You nearly killed yourself.
House: That was the whole idea.
Dr. Wilson: You wanted to kill yourself?!?!
House: I wanted to nearly kill myself.

Other than that, very sound advice. Ask the veterans.

So I conducted an experiment. I put my 2.4Ω 510 cartomizer on a fully charged kr808 battery, with an adapter, of course. Assuming that my V4L newish battery comes off the charger at 3.7v+, my wattage was 5.7. I vaped for awhile and changed to my 3.1 v Riva, 4.0 Watts. I swear I enjoyed my vape much better with the Riva. The vapor was warm, smooth and rich; the draw was perfect, effortless, not too airy and not too tight either; the flavor--I really couldn't tell the difference. I switched back to the kr8 battery: less vapor, harsher TH, tighter, drier draw. There is clearly something else going on here, but I don't really know what it is. I used to use kr808 batts with my beloved Turbos, then added the Hendu with the 4081 cartos, and I was perfectly happy. Since I got the Riva, I haven't used anything else.

I'm going to try the lower-resistance cartos from CoV (1-8-2.0Ω) just out of curiosity, but I think I've found my perfect PV and the perfect cartomizer (the Tru-Vapor from Vapors Etc.) to go with it, finally.

Does any of this make sense to you?

Good night.

 

[ZambucaLu]

Lu, just to simplify things, these two are ready to be moved. WitchWay's chart will be edited when she's done with her jury duty. She said it's OK to move it as is for now. Post 1225, just in case.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-123.html#post1543528

Kent's chart is GTG. Post 1802.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-181.html#post1657979

Wow, that was weird. Neither of these threads showed up with the link. I had to find the actual posts numbers.

Anyhoo, seems we have another problem. All the posts copy over in chronological order....which means they will all show up before my OP! I'm asking Angus to check into it now but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it

Lu

 

[Caddyman]

Copy any of your posts that come before those post, from any topic, anywhere to its own thread in the proper section. Then edit it to your liking, then merge the posts.

There is no way to defeat the time ordering of the posts. But a old post can be added and edited.

 

[ZambucaLu]

Copy any of your posts that come before those post, from any topic, anywhere to its own thread in the proper section. Then edit it to your liking, then merge the posts.

There is no way to defeat the time ordering of the posts. But a old post can be added and edited.

Thanks for the tip Caddy! I just took an old post of mine, copied it here, edited it to contain the OP info, then deleted my OP. Bingo!

Whew! Too much work this early in the morning! bwahahahaha

Lu

 

[Caddyman]

Happy to help

 

[nicnac]

So I conducted an experiment. I put my 2.4Ω 510 cartomizer on a fully charged kr808 battery, with an adapter, of course. Assuming that my V4L newish battery comes off the charger at 3.7v+, my wattage was 5.7. I vaped for awhile and changed to my 3.1 v Riva, 4.0 Watts. I swear I enjoyed my vape much better with the Riva. The vapor was warm, smooth and rich; the draw was perfect, effortless, not too airy and not too tight either; the flavor--I really couldn't tell the difference. I switched back to the kr8 battery: less vapor, harsher TH, tighter, drier draw. There is clearly something else going on here, but I don't really know what it is. I used to use kr808 batts with my beloved Turbos, then added the Hendu with the 4081 cartos, and I was perfectly happy. Since I got the Riva, I haven't used anything else.

I'm going to try the lower-resistance cartos from CoV (1-8-2.0Ω) just out of curiosity, but I think I've found my perfect PV and the perfect cartomizer (the Tru-Vapor from Vapors Etc.) to go with it, finally.

Does any of this make sense to you?

Good night.

Little delicious looking birdy.
You are saying that your best combo is Riva + trueman/boge style 2.4Ω carto?
Right now I'm vaping the same carto on my ego and enjoying it very much.
i think 2.4Ω is a perfect res for a 3.1V device

 

[Kent C]

Katya:But we don't want Elendil to move this thread to the Outside, next to that other thread, do we?

That isn't even close

Other than that, very sound advice.

That's for general viewing. Can't stress it enough, imo.

So I conducted an experiment. I put my 2.4Ω 510 cartomizer on a fully charged kr808 battery, with an adapter, of course. Assuming that my V4L newish battery comes off the charger at 3.7v+, my wattage was 5.7. I vaped for awhile and changed to my 3.1 v Riva, 4.0 Watts. I swear I enjoyed my vape much better with the Riva. The vapor was warm, smooth and rich; the draw was perfect, effortless, not too airy and not too tight either; the flavor--I really couldn't tell the difference. I switched back to the kr8 battery: less vapor, harsher TH, tighter, drier draw. There is clearly something else going on here, but I don't really know what it is. I used to use kr808 batts with my beloved Turbos, then added the Hendu with the 4081 cartos, and I was perfectly happy. Since I got the Riva, I haven't used anything else.

I'm going to try the lower-resistance cartos from CoV (1-8-2.0Ω) just out of curiosity, but I think I've found my perfect PV and the perfect cartomizer (the Tru-Vapor from Vapors Etc.) to go with it, finally.

Does any of this make sense to you?

No, but it does mirror my experience with the KR8 - weak - I think I got a few dud batteries, but it doesn't with almost any other set up - Janty Stick with 801, 901 on a Bart, etc. 7 Watts beats 5.5 Watts unless I'm vaping a fruit or berry flavor, then lower watts wins IF it's still producing vapor. TH is a lower factor for me. If I feel the vapor, I'm good.

And 'enjoying the vape much better' is more subjective depending on what it is you enjoy. Again, in general, the higher the watts the more vapor and depending on nic content and PG or VG base, the more TH - for some - harshness. My priorities - Vapor, flavor, ease of draw, TH.

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House: Huh?

 

[Katya]

I'm baffled. Guys, could you do me a favor and click on my links below and tell me whether you find the right posts or not? I'm trying to find out what's wrong and why they don't work for Lu. Thanks.

Lu, just to simplify things, these two are ready to be moved. WitchWay's chart will be edited when she's done with her jury duty. She said it's OK to move it as is for now. Post 1225, just in case.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-123.html#post1543528

Kent's chart is GTG. Post 1802.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tem-808-dpv9-smoke51-etc-181.html#post1657979

Little delicious looking birdy.
You are saying that your best combo is Riva + trueman/boge style 2.4Ω carto?
Right now I'm vaping the same carto on my ego and enjoying it very much.
i think 2.4Ω is a perfect res for a 3.1V device

Murderous cat.

Riva and a Trueman carto. It's called Tru-Vapor on the Vapor Etc site (2.4Ω). Rob at Good Prophets had very similar looking cartos for a moment but they sold out quickly. 2.5Ω. I'm waiting for him to restock and I'll give them a try. Boge is 2.8-3.0Ω and feels a bit weak on a 3.1v battery. Vapable, but weak.

I ordered LR 510 cartos from CoV to see what they are like. Also, Isaac is currently testing his new SLB 510, 2.0 Ω cartomizers. They should be available in 2-3 weeks.

No, but it does mirror my experience with the KR8 - weak - I think I got a few dud batteries, but it doesn't with almost any other set up - Janty Stick with 801, 901 on a Bart, etc. 7 Watts beats 5.5 Watts unless I'm vaping a fruit or berry flavor, then lower watts wins IF it's still producing vapor. TH is a lower factor for me. If I feel the vapor, I'm good.

And 'enjoying the vape much better' is more subjective depending on what it is you enjoy. Again, in general, the higher the watts the more vapor and depending on nic content and PG or VG base, the more TH - for some - harshness. My priorities - Vapor, flavor, ease of draw, TH.

Interesting.

I know that my kr8 batteries deliver based on Scottbee's experiments here

Battery Voltages -- Surprise!

and my own experience with them; they fried every lower-resistance cartomizer (2.0Ω) I ever tried on them. Sometimes it took an hour, sometimes longer, but they all burned. Filler and all. And I tried to keep them wet. They burned while the filler was still saturated. They just couldn't wick fast enough.

I wonder if it's at all possible that those Rivas actually deliver more voltage under load than Scott's 3.1v. I can't test it myself, but it's a thought.

I've never owned a mod. I don't like the preset voltages. I'm wating for a small, pretty, variable-voltage mod, something in-between the Buzz and the Little Sister. A Buzzette. Or a Big Brother.

My priorities: ease of draw (if it doesn't feel like a cig, it's useless to me), vapor, flavor. I still don't know what the throat hit really is. I vape like I used to smoke, the vapor goes into my mouth first, then into my lungs. I think that folks who direct inhale have some other smoking experience rather than just cigarettes. I've never been able to do it well.

No jokes, please.

 

[tiburonfirst]

both links are a throwback to lorikay's goat post #1961

sorry

 

[Kent C]

Interesting.

I know that my kr8 batteries deliver based on Scottbee's experiments here

Battery Voltages -- Surprise!

and my own experience with them; they fried every lower-resistance cartomizer (2.0Ω) I ever tried on them. Sometimes it took an hour, sometimes longer, but they all burned. Filler and all. And I tried to keep them wet. They burned while the filler was still saturated. They just couldn't wick fast enough.

I wonder if it's at all possible that those Rivas actually deliver more voltage under load than Scott's 3.1v. I can't test it myself, but it's a thought.

Links work for me.

Again, I think I got a few bad KR8s. As far as the eGo performance goes - I get better performance with the eGo than the regular 510, mega batts or the 10440 - so the eGo (all things constant) is somewhere between the regular 510 batt and the Bartleby. But Scott's measures would belie that on wattage alone, so there's something else going on or there's a difference in units. Both possible. What I don't doubt is Scott's measurements or method.

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[Katya]

both links are a throwback to lorikay's goat post #1961

sorry

Really? Thanks, Tib. That's the weirdest thing.

Lorikay, please explain yourself.

 

[tiburonfirst]

don't see how they could have worked for kent. i went back and tried the links from your original posts from yesterday. every time i ended up on the last page of the thread, which at least got lorikay's goat off the hook, lol

 

[Kent C]

don't see how they could have worked for kent. i went back and tried the links from your original posts from yesterday. every time i ended up on the last page of the thread, which at least got lorikay's goat off the hook, lol

Tried them again and still went right to WW post and mine - where they're linked. Running IE8 here. Sometimes it links here will go to that page first then if you don't interrupt, it will scroll to the actual link. These went right to the posts for me.

 

[tiburonfirst]

i'm running ie8 also, can't figure it out but apparently lu had the same problem
very strange