Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos
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They're the same old BOGE LR cartos. I think filling them up properly is the key, for me...
I think that one that was lasting me that I had mentioned earlier was the last of a 5pack from madvapes. The ones you sent me I passed on to a friend at the last SCVC meet!
I got some from LitecigUSA, and the first one out of the box is lastin me pretty darn good! We also got some in at LF today, and so far, so good! I had to test them out! But we got a few different kinds, needless to say, I have a bunch in rotation, but if they last me as long as they've been, it'll probably be a bit before I have much in the way of an update.
Now I have to send back my PB Beta test battery from SS, and am gonna miss vaping this 2 ohm carto. But their gonna send me a new one back, with ImYourSalt engraved on it! So that'll be worth the wait!
Salt.
I think that one that was lasting me that I had mentioned earlier was the last of a 5pack from madvapes. The ones you sent me I passed on to a friend at the last SCVC meet!
I got some from LitecigUSA, and the first one out of the box is lastin me pretty darn good! We also got some in at LF today, and so far, so good! I had to test them out! But we got a few different kinds, needless to say, I have a bunch in rotation, but if they last me as long as they've been, it'll probably be a bit before I have much in the way of an update.
Now I have to send back my PB Beta test battery from SS, and am gonna miss vaping this 2 ohm carto. But their gonna send me a new one back, with ImYourSalt engraved on it! So that'll be worth the wait!
Salt.
Hello all.
So you all know what I'm playing with....I have a Prodigy 3.1...some 4081's from an old Smoking Everywhere purchase and some KR808's with battery I got from CigEasy.
I originaly got the Prodigy thinking two batteries would keep me from having to charge too many times. But using the BE510 standard carts didnt taste good, had that burning taste. No I havent pulled them apart yet, didnt want to destroy the few I had, cause I burned several when I overtighten them on the Prodigy...you all know techincians dont read a T.O (technical order) unless we get in to trouble..lol.
So, I have some A123 3.3v batteries that are 2300ma, and tried that battery out on the BE510 standard cart that tasted so burned. And just as I suspected, it tasted fine, what is happening is that the 6v is too much voltage on the element, and its causing the fluid to overheat and burning it instead of vaporizing it. So I'm going to order some HR carts for the 6v Prodigy hoping it will solve the burned taste problem. It may also be the reason the material inside is getting burned, besides of course running it dry.
So at this point with my minimal tests, I conclude that in our attempt to get lots of smoke, we are overhating the fluid. Now mind you, much of this depends on the visocity of the fluid, so I'm assuming different fluids behave differently with different ohm elements. So at this point, all my test will be done with the same fliud, so I can have a standard to start with, otherwise my test will come out skewed, if I start testing with various e-juice's.
Another thing about this whole seeing lots of smoke thing. I know everyone wants to see a lots of vapor, cause it looks like real cig smoke. Well to be honest I dont care to inhale glycerine, all I want is nicotene, even if I dont see lots of smoke, vaping nicotene is what I want not glycerine vapor. It was bad enough with analogs variants of byproducts, I dont want or need it with ecigs, at least thats what my opinion is, yours may vary. So as far as I'm concerned the less glycerine, the less I'm inhaling a byproduct, the better I feel.
Let me hear fom you if I'm wrong, and you have different experience, after all I'm a noob at this.
Roy
So you all know what I'm playing with....I have a Prodigy 3.1...some 4081's from an old Smoking Everywhere purchase and some KR808's with battery I got from CigEasy.
I originaly got the Prodigy thinking two batteries would keep me from having to charge too many times. But using the BE510 standard carts didnt taste good, had that burning taste. No I havent pulled them apart yet, didnt want to destroy the few I had, cause I burned several when I overtighten them on the Prodigy...you all know techincians dont read a T.O (technical order) unless we get in to trouble..lol.
So, I have some A123 3.3v batteries that are 2300ma, and tried that battery out on the BE510 standard cart that tasted so burned. And just as I suspected, it tasted fine, what is happening is that the 6v is too much voltage on the element, and its causing the fluid to overheat and burning it instead of vaporizing it. So I'm going to order some HR carts for the 6v Prodigy hoping it will solve the burned taste problem. It may also be the reason the material inside is getting burned, besides of course running it dry.
So at this point with my minimal tests, I conclude that in our attempt to get lots of smoke, we are overhating the fluid. Now mind you, much of this depends on the visocity of the fluid, so I'm assuming different fluids behave differently with different ohm elements. So at this point, all my test will be done with the same fliud, so I can have a standard to start with, otherwise my test will come out skewed, if I start testing with various e-juice's.
Another thing about this whole seeing lots of smoke thing. I know everyone wants to see a lots of vapor, cause it looks like real cig smoke. Well to be honest I dont care to inhale glycerine, all I want is nicotene, even if I dont see lots of smoke, vaping nicotene is what I want not glycerine vapor. It was bad enough with analogs variants of byproducts, I dont want or need it with ecigs, at least thats what my opinion is, yours may vary. So as far as I'm concerned the less glycerine, the less I'm inhaling a byproduct, the better I feel.
Let me hear fom you if I'm wrong, and you have different experience, after all I'm a noob at this.
Roy
Btw, I forgot to mention battery voltages will also make a big difference, so I'm also going to test all with my A123 3.3v battery.
Roy
Roy
On this last part, I think it would just be a matter of going to higher nicotine juice and vape less or smaller drags?
Flavoring has a lot of byproducts also.
Hey Salt,
when are you going to take one of those boge LR cartos apart and tell us what you see?
I just filled a fresh one of those today just to see if it still gives me that sore throat feeling. The vape was nice and clean and very strong but after a few drags I got that sore throat feeling again. Made my throat feel very dry and raw.
Hey Salt,
when are you going to take one of those boge LR cartos apart and tell us what you see?
I just filled a fresh one of those today just to see if it still gives me that sore throat feeling. The vape was nice and clean and very strong but after a few drags I got that sore throat feeling again. Made my throat feel very dry and raw.
Leave it to Tib to notice!
I'll give them another try. The 3Ω ones I'm using now are so overstuffed that I can't get anything out of them. The E2s, cleaned and dry-burned, are OK, but I'm still getting a funny taste, metallic, not burnt, more like a dry atty taste, even though they are full of ejuice. And I burned two more AZ Smoke Free cartos. Filled my lungs with horrid, acrid smoke. Car on fire. No more for me.
What really matters is the the heat, or power, delivered by your PV. Theoretically, one can get the same wattage from a 3.1v battery as from a 6v battery. The recommended wattage is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4W. Of course, there are people who go up to 8W and more, but I'm not one of them. I don't much care for very hot vapes, which, IMO, basically fry the juice and alter its flavor, as well as increase the risk of burning. When we test cartos here, we test within the recommended range. When we go to higher voltage, we usually report it. Thus, our kr808 cartos (3.0Ω) are tested on kr808 batteries (3.7v); the 510 cartos (2.0-3.0Ω) are tested on 510 PVs (3.1v), etc.
You may find this post, written by Kent C, helpful.
Of course, there are all the other factors mentioned above by you and other posters: the type of ejuice used, the quality of cartomizers, their constuction, materials used, the airflow through the carto, and so on.
"Now I have to send back my PB Beta test battery from SS, and am gonna miss vaping this 2 ohm carto. But their gonna send me a new one back, with ImYourSalt engraved on it! So that'll be worth the wait!"
sounds as if you had better luck than i with your pb. i'm anxious to get the replacement batt, too but to me the hendu batt is a cut above atm. worth checking into, lol
sounds as if you had better luck than i with your pb. i'm anxious to get the replacement batt, too but to me the hendu batt is a cut above atm. worth checking into, lol
The voltage does matter, but I believe thats what your trying to convey. Wattage is voltage squared, divided by resistance (E2/R). I did a simple but telling experiment, I took a cart that was giving me a burning metal taste on 6v, put it on a 3.3v battery, and the burning metal taste went away, and it was a smoot toke. That proofed to me that the culbrit was too high a voltage which is making the element too hot, whether that was the absorbant material around the elelement or the fluid getting too hot, I'm not sure of, for I havent taken it apart yet. But when you taste the difference, thats what matters, cause after all thats what were trying to acomplish with this tread, to see if what were doing is harmfull, and if so how to avoid it.
Also we need to remember, whenever you heat metal, which is what the element is after all, it can produce its own vapor. Now I may be new to vaping, but I'm a technician by trade, and have been one for over 50 years, so I can assure you I know a little about the subject. Now I'm not an expert when it comes to chemistry, but I know for a fact that certain chemicals and materials will burn off different gases at different temperatures.
Anyone who has ever cooked on a stove knows the difference between a good odor from properly heated food, and the smell one gets when the item is overheated or burned. And I believe our vaping, is very similar.
Roy
Roy, I can make an element that will do the same thing on 3.3 volts as you experienced at 6 volts. That is possible because it will use the same amount of power. If you do not understand what Katya said, then you need to review some of the basics that you learned more than 50 years ago.
If your element is WET as it should be, then the metal cannot get hot enough to produce its own vapor. If you fill a pot with water and put it on a stove, then it will not get hot enough to produce its own vapor either.
It's been well observed that some juices do/taste/tolerate/are better at higher heat, and visa versa.
That's a pretty big leap equating bad taste with harmful. My kids would fully agree with respect to vegetables.
Really. What are your certifications?
Being a technician you must have factored a number of things into that conclusion? "metal" is a pretty vague term... I will assume the element you are using is nichrome? and you stated the voltages you used, and I will assume you measured the resistance (or maybe you measured the temperature at the element itself?). What wattage/heat do you think nichrome vaporizes at and what elements do you think get off gassed? Enough to taste, assuming those elements have a taste. Being a technician and everything.
Really. What certain chemicals and materials might those be? And at what temperatures? And are any of those present in your cartomizer?
yes... I think I can see the similarity... but I kind of prefer my ham steaks cooked dry and slightly charred in a skillet, you think this is harmful?
Sorry, I'm in a bad mood today, how about we all put our technician credentials away and start over?
V = Voltage (Volts)
R = Resistance (Ohms) Ω
I = Current (Amps)
P = Power (Watts)
V = IR
P = RI^2 = VI = V^2/R
As you see Power is very much dependent on resistance because it is the Resistance that dictates the amount of current (Amp) through the circuit.
More Amp = A lot more Heat
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R = Resistance (Ohms) Ω
I = Current (Amps)
P = Power (Watts)
V = IR
P = RI^2 = VI = V^2/R
As you see Power is very much dependent on resistance because it is the Resistance that dictates the amount of current (Amp) through the circuit.
More Amp = A lot more Heat
This is a very nice helpful site
Calculations voltage current resistance and electric power calculator - electricity calculation - electrical power formula general ohms law physics electricity electronics formula wheel formulas amps watts volts ohms cosine equation audio engineering
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Katya,
the Bauway carto you sent me (from Madvapes), I Took apart and guess what. It had a Horizontal coil.
His old batch had Vertical coils.
the Bauway carto you sent me (from Madvapes), I Took apart and guess what. It had a Horizontal coil.
His old batch had Vertical coils.
If you re-read my post you will realize thats exactly what I said, wattage is wattage. But online I find three choices, low, standard and high. So the standard one on my 6v Prodigy tasted burned, and when I hooked it to 3.3v, it worked, which means too much wattage, to hot.
I'm here to learn and contribute not to argue with anyone, but your last remark was a bit over the top, considering you dont even know me, please stay civil.
Roy
After reading some of the replies, I can see where this is going. I came here to learn and maybe contributing a little, but I have no desire to get in to a pissing contest...
I'm out of this tread, and if I find this behaviour to be common here, out of the forum.
Roy
I'm out of this tread, and if I find this behaviour to be common here, out of the forum.
Roy
Ok, I took the BOGE carto apart last night that I had been using for 3 or 4 days. The filler had some dark spots, but wasnt burnt. The sock around the coil was slightly charred, but not burnt through. I took the carto apart out of curiosity (and the draw was getting a little tight), but it was still tasting good, and vaping well. Maybe I GOT LUCKY?
Anyway, I also tried a v9 carto in my AVS at 6v. I got burnt flavor about half way through my day. When I got home, and took it apart, there was a hole burnt in the sock areound the coil. not what i was hoping for.
I would... The 3ohms work great! just not strong enugh for me... i havnt noticed any overstuffing in the cartos we got at LF, but i'll keep an eye out!
I've heard good thiings about the Hendu... Might have to order me one (after the holidays of course
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roy, i think quick summed it up best:
"Sorry, I'm in a bad mood today, how about we all put our technician credentials away and start over?"
the guys here are usually a great bunch, and do welcome input.
"Sorry, I'm in a bad mood today, how about we all put our technician credentials away and start over?"
the guys here are usually a great bunch, and do welcome input.
Copied from natscience.com....
It's not just the nichrome alloy which matters -- it's the origin
of the metal. Metal from refiners in South America is very clean,
mostly pure virgin material smelted from ore. Cheap nichrome
from Asia is often laced with recycled material from discarded
automotive and electronic components -- full of toxic metals
like lead, mercury, and arsenic.
The chief danger is when the appliance is first turned on,
when the outgassing is most vigorous. After an appliance
has been in use for several years, its metal will be properly
seasoned and very little outgassing will occur.
The human nose is a sensitive detector for toxic gases,
if people would just pay more attention to off-odors,
rather than ignoring them. When you first turn on an
Asian-made apliance, do you smell any off-odors?
That's a sign you are being exposed to toxic vapors.
Just follow your nose. Hope this helps.
Roy
This is not science or any sort of supporting evidence to your conjecture. (Who is Mark Thorson anyway? credentials?)
The followup posts to that one (from the same thread on natscience.com)
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