Burning Cartomisers? Dangerous?-510/Kr808/4081...etc filler type cartos

[Katya]

Of course this is just a preliminary opinion based on a couple hours of successful vaping - I may end up running in to problems down the road, but for right now I'm very optimistic that I may have found a non-burning carto that works for me.

Oh, and I also just got in a couple boxes of V9 turbos to test, but at the moment I have no interest in them

Nice review. My experience with them has been pretty similar. They don't burn, however, they taste burnt. The wicking in mine is pathetic, I keep hitting dry spots over and over again, and the coil gunks up really fast (it's my understanding that the 3.0Ω ones are more prone to this), requiring additional cleaning and dry burning. But more improvements are on the way and I am actually becoming cautiously optimistic. Bruce from CoV just started selling hand-made clear tube E2 mods. They look interesting.

I'm also testing Ikenvape's new drip-style 510 cartos. So far so good, but the price is too high ($4 a piece). It's just a carto and I really don't need or want to buy a drip tip every time I buy a cartomizer. Besides, those DTs are aluminum, and I prefer Delrin, just like Quick does. They feel much nicer on the lips. But if Isaac offers a no DT option (for less money), I may add them to my arsenal. The cartos are beatifully made and vape great. The filler is woderfully loose, Nic, and the airflow and wicking are superb. The vape is surprisingly cool on my eGo for a 2.5Ω cartomizer. My 3.0Ω Boges vape warmer. Can't quite figure out why. Maybe the length of the carto and the drip tip combined have something to do with it?

I'll keep you posted. Happy Tuesday, y'all!

 

[arjay55]

Katya, are those drip cartos the TUOFAN ones we looked at some time ago? They were supposed the be quite high capacity.

 

[Neo]

Picked up some Tru 808's from Vapors Etc. over the holiday sale. I thought enough time had passed since the bad ones were sent back. Ordered Fri, arrived Mon. And colors too!

Ok, these look different. They are stamped 3.3 ohm on it. The condoms are little ones, like you see on 4081's. More importantly, the innards look different. The airhole is larger than most. It appears there is less stuffing; however, the wrap "sock" looks like it's bigger (longer? larger?) than the usual. And I do NOT see a vertical wire.

Now I haven't taken it apart so I'm only going on my eye balls with the carto intact.

Just began vaping it on an 808 bat. The draw is very easy. The vapor feels noticeably warmer in my mouth than what I am used to however. And the carto feels a little warmer than what I would expect from a 3.3. I don't have a MM and wish I did right now because I'm wondering if these are really 3.3.

Edit:

P.S. Just put it on a 901 bat with adapter and much cooler vape.

 

[kodos96]

They don't burn, however, they taste burnt.

Funny you should say that, as it reminded me of something I'd been wondering about.... what exactly is it you're tasting when you get the "dry wick" taste on an E2? Cause obviously they're not actually burning.... and if you try vaping them when they're actually, completely dry, they produce no vapor/smoke whatsoever, no taste.... so the result is that:

fully wet coil = juice flavor
fully dry coil = no flavor
partially dry coil = weird funky flavor

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Neo]

Sorry...just clarifying. Seems the cartos from Vapors Etc. that were sent back were 510s, not 808s.

My bad.

 

[zelda]

I'm finally trying GoodProphets 510 cartomizers and they are good. What a nice easy draw and good vapor and th. I'm impressed.

 

[br5495]

Funny you should say that, as it reminded me of something I'd been wondering about.... what exactly is it you're tasting when you get the "dry wick" taste on an E2? Cause obviously they're not actually burning.... and if you try vaping them when they're actually, completely dry, they produce no vapor/smoke whatsoever, no taste.... so the result is that:

fully wet coil = juice flavor
fully dry coil = no flavor
partially dry coil = weird funky flavor

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Here's my guess:

fully wet coil = juice flavor
fully dry coil = red hot coil
partially dry coil = Juice is partly burning instead of producing all vapor.

 

[nicnac]

I'm also testing Ikenvape's new drip-style 510 cartos. The cartos are beatifully made and vape great. The filler is woderfully loose, Nic, and the airflow and wicking are superb. The vape is surprisingly cool on my eGo for a 2.5Ω cartomizer. My 3.0Ω Boges vape warmer. Can't quite figure out why. Maybe the length of the carto and the drip tip combined have something to do with it?

Picked up some Tru 808's from Vapors Etc.
Ok, these look different. They are stamped 3.3 ohm on it. The condoms are little ones, like you see on 4081's. More importantly, the innards look different. The airhole is larger than most. It appears there is less stuffing; however, the wrap "sock" looks like it's bigger (longer? larger?) than the usual. And I do NOT see a vertical wire.

Now I haven't taken it apart so I'm only going on my eye balls with the carto intact.

You probably won't find a Vertical wire which is not a bad thing. i'm vaping one designed just like that and loving it. Its a 510 though.

I'm finally trying GoodProphets 510 cartomizers and they are good. What a nice easy draw and good vapor and th. I'm impressed.

All above posts are indications that THEY ARE LISTENING TO US.

 

[Katya]

I'm finally trying GoodProphets 510 cartomizers and they are good. What a nice easy draw and good vapor and th. I'm impressed.

How are you filling them by the way? I think dripping in the top is better.

That's a nice surprise to me. I had some 510 cartos from GP that burned prematurely, so I stopped buying them, even though I like his 4081 cartos. And just recently I saw this. Keep us posted, Zelda. Maybe he just had a bad batch.

I started refilling with a syringe again, after reading Salt's and BR's posts in this thread, and I have to say it makes a big difference. So I use the syringe to fill the first time, and then I just drip from the mouth end to top off.

 

[zelda]

That's a nice surprise to me. I had some 510 cartos from GP that burned prematurely, so I stopped buying them, even though I like his 4081 cartos. And just recently I saw this. Keep us posted, Zelda. Maybe he just had a bad batch.

I started refilling with a syringe again, after reading Salt's and BR's posts in this thread, and I have to say it makes a big difference. So I use the syringe to fill the first time, and then I just drip from the mouth end to top off.

I should have added they're the Joye 510 not just GP cartomizers. I don't know how his regular are these days.

I like these the best of any cartomizer yet.

 

[Katya]

Katya, are those drip cartos the TUOFAN ones we looked at some time ago? They were supposed the be quite high capacity.

OMG, Arjay, you're bloody brilliant! As I live and breathe... They look identical...

China 'New' Joye510 / KR808D-1 Reusable Cartomizers, E-cigarette;Cartomizers manufacturer

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...omizer-drip-styles-now-stock.html#post2225825

 

[Katya]

I should have added they're the Joye 510 not just GP cartomizers. I don't know how his regular are these days.

I like these the best of any cartomizer yet.

That makes sense. Some folks just drip through the battery end, slowly, drop by drop. Or use a syringe. Let us know how they do in a long run. I love those for the first three or four refills, and then they get nasty. But then again, they are disposable. I agree that they are the best tasting cartomizers out there, better then (my) E2s and better than the new IkenVapes (Tuofan ).

 

[Katya]

Picked up some Tru 808's from Vapors Etc. over the holiday sale. I thought enough time had passed since the bad ones were sent back. Ordered Fri, arrived Mon. And colors too!

Ok, these look different. They are stamped 3.3 ohm on it. The condoms are little ones, like you see on 4081's. More importantly, the innards look different. The airhole is larger than most. It appears there is less stuffing; however, the wrap "sock" looks like it's bigger (longer? larger?) than the usual. And I do NOT see a vertical wire.

Now I haven't taken it apart so I'm only going on my eye balls with the carto intact.

Just began vaping it on an 808 bat. The draw is very easy. The vapor feels noticeably warmer in my mouth than what I am used to however. And the carto feels a little warmer than what I would expect from a 3.3. I don't have a MM and wish I did right now because I'm wondering if these are really 3.3.

Edit:

P.S. Just put it on a 901 bat with adapter and much cooler vape.

Neo, that's always been the case with Ross's kr808 cartos, as far as I recall. His Tru-kr808s are very good, his 510s went bad. Nobody really understands why. His 510 cartos used to be just like the ones you're describing--nice warm vape, clean taste, horizontal coil...

Go figure.

 

[Katya]

Here's my guess:

fully wet coil = juice flavor
fully dry coil = red hot coil
partially dry coil = Juice is partly burning instead of producing all vapor.

Yup! Plus I get all those off flavors from the caramelized gunk that accumulates on the coil, and that portion of the wick that sits under the coil, very quickly--on my cartos, at least.

 

[Neo]

Neo, that's always been the case with Ross's kr808 cartos, as far as I recall. His Tru-kr808s are very good, his 510s went bad. Nobody really understands why. His 510 cartos used to be just like the ones you're describing--nice warm vape, clean taste, horizontal coil...

Go figure.

Yeah, I got them mixed up with the 510's. I'd never tried these before so I was surprised that they were different from other 808's upon eyeballing them. They are horizontal. Hear tell he is going to be getting some 4081 horizontals in as well...but not from Trueman.

I haven't found the Holy Grail but at this point I'm quite happy with several 808's and 4081's.

I would add these to my good list and I haven't even finished a whole one yet.

 

[ImYourSalt]

I have the same problem as Katya with the E2s. It really bothers me too, because I feel like they are soo close to getting it right. I dont see why it's us that has to do all the leg-work. How about a little more R&D here CHINA!? They seem to be catching on. But were not all the way there yet.

I should have added they're the Joye 510 not just GP cartomizers. I don't know how his regular are these days.

I like these the best of any cartomizer yet.

I wont use the JOYE 510 catos anymore. I just smashed one last night. The Wick is actually glued in. So is the filler. Maybe that's a fluke on mine... But I don't trust it.

OMG, Arjay, you're bloody brilliant! As I live and breathe... They look identical...

China 'New' Joye510 / KR808D-1 Reusable Cartomizers, E-cigarette;Cartomizers manufacturer

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...omizer-drip-styles-now-stock.html#post2225825

Could be... But you know how Ikenvape likes to tweak them just sooo.... I woudn't be surprised either way though...

Yeah, I got them mixed up with the 510's. I'd never tried these before so I was surprised that they were different from other 808's upon eyeballing them. They are horizontal. Hear tell he is going to be getting some 4081 horizontals in as well...but not from Trueman.

I haven't found the Holy Grail but at this point I'm quite happy with several 808's and 4081's.
I would add these to my good list and I haven't even finished a whole one yet.

I feel the same way. Still looking. But I have been using the Boge 2ohm 4081s with decent success. For some reason I prefer them over the 510's. Though, it could be the batteries.

...
Also... I managed to acquire some SS Mesh, and some Kanthal Wire (see here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/132663-all-my-mods-part1.html#post2092776 )
Excited to build my own atty. Still need to pickup a soldering iron though. And one of those helping hands things.
Thinking about just replacing the wick and the coil in an XL CE2 and going from there. It's kind of a tight space to work in. So I kind of wanna play with stuffing one into an EGO atty. Or a 5ml syringe. A clear tank is even better!

But the holidays come first. Toys for me come later...

 

[nicnac]

Yeah, I got them mixed up with the 510's. I'd never tried these before so I was surprised that they were different from other 808's upon eyeballing them. They are horizontal. Hear tell he is going to be getting some 4081 horizontals in as well...but not from Trueman.

Sounds like Bauway

Neo, that's always been the case with Ross's kr808 cartos, as far as I recall. His Tru-kr808s are very good, his 510s went bad. Nobody really understands why. His 510 cartos used to be just like the ones you're describing--nice warm vape, clean taste, horizontal coil...

Go figure.

are you talking about the tru-Vapors from Vapors etc.? Those were vertical coils from Truman.

 

[Katya]

Sounds like Bauway

Nic, every Bauway I have ever tried had a vertical coil. I had a couple of boxes from his old batch and a box from his new batch. Every single one of them had a vertical coil.

Neo got her kr808 cartos from Vapors Etc. recently (she mentions Thankgiving sale) and they are listed as Tru-Kr808, so they must be Truemans. I'm sure his last batch of kr808s had a vertical coil but they were good. According to the website, Ross's kr808 cartos should have a vertical coil: "3.3 ohms; Vertical Coil; Soft Tip." If Neo's cartos have a horizontal coil it means they switched the design again, possibly without even notifying Ross. That wouldn't surprise me, though. Neo, are you positive that those Tru-Kr8 cartos from Vapors Etc. have a horizontal coil? Did you actually take one apart? Sometimes that coil is buried in the filler so it's hard to tell.

are you talking about the tru-Vapors from Vapors etc.? Those were vertical coils from Truman.

The only horizontal coils I recall were in the following cartos:

-SmokeStik 4081
-Trueman 4081
-GP 4081
-All SLB 510

The very first 510 Trueman cartos I got from Vapors Etc. had a vertical wire; I'm trying to remember if the Trueman 510s were ever manufactured with a horizontal coil, but I'm not sure. I vaguely remember that I got a Truemans 510 carto from Tib's co-op, months ago, in one of my wild carto exchanges, and I thought it had a horizontal coil, but I may be wrong.

 

[Katya]

I have the same problem as Katya with the E2s. It really bothers me too, because I feel like they are soo close to getting it right. I dont see why it's us that has to do all the leg-work. How about a little more R&D here CHINA!? They seem to be catching on. But were not all the way there yet.

Salt, Baby, you know that all the R&D for Royal Smokers is done here by Badkolo, BR, Banjo and all the other sciency guys... They are doing a great job, IMO, and I'm beginning to see some glimmers of light at the end of this tunnel. They are not ready for prime time, and they don't generally work out of the box yet, but some lucky people already got their E2 cartomizers that actually could be filled and vaped as is. I wasn't one of those people, mind you.

I wont use the JOYE 510 catos anymore. I just smashed one last night. The Wick is actually glued in. So is the filler. Maybe that's a fluke on mine... But I don't trust it.

Yeah, I took several of them apart and I didn't like what I saw. But they taste great... for awhile. I'm actually surprised, because Joyetech makes good atties; however, they need to improve their cartomizers.

Could be... But you know how Ikenvape likes to tweak them just sooo.... I woudn't be surprised either way though...

I know. But I just inspected a new carto from IKV and it sure looks very much like the Tuofan 510 cartos I got from AZ Smoke Free. The 'good' ones, with the loose filler.

I feel the same way. Still looking. But I have been using the Boge 2ohm 4081s with decent success. For some reason I prefer them over the 510's. Though, it could be the batteries.

Are you using 2.0Ω cartos on 180 mAh batteries? How long do the batteries last, 15 minutes?

 

[zelda]

I have the same problem as Katya with the E2s. It really bothers me too, because I feel like they are soo close to getting it right. I dont see why it's us that has to do all the leg-work. How about a little more R&D here CHINA!? They seem to be catching on. But were not all the way there yet.



I wont use the JOYE 510 catos anymore. I just smashed one last night. The Wick is actually glued in. So is the filler. Maybe that's a fluke on mine... But I don't trust it.



Could be... But you know how Ikenvape likes to tweak them just sooo.... I woudn't be surprised either way though...



I feel the same way. Still looking. But I have been using the Boge 2ohm 4081s with decent success. For some reason I prefer them over the 510's. Though, it could be the batteries.

...
Also... I managed to acquire some SS Mesh, and some Kanthal Wire (see here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/132663-all-my-mods-part1.html#post2092776 )
Excited to build my own atty. Still need to pickup a soldering iron though. And one of those helping hands things.
Thinking about just replacing the wick and the coil in an XL CE2 and going from there. It's kind of a tight space to work in. So I kind of wanna play with stuffing one into an EGO atty. Or a 5ml syringe. A clear tank is even better!

But the holidays come first. Toys for me come later...

Hey Salt!!! Thanks for the info. Time for me to start carto hammering. Glued in wicks!!!