Call it E-Puffing But Don't Do It Indoors

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nubee

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I don't know why I never thought of trying to light up my bazooka gum back when I was a kid?!?!?! :shock: What WAS I thinking :confused:

What I find frustrating is the arguments used against e-cigs about not knowing and/or not having enough information and then reading/hearing the very same people tell us what we're thinking (man, I just gotta get me some of that bb-gum vape) and the exact marketing trick all the vendors are using (hey...let's make coco puffs flavor for the kids).

If they're all so wise and omnipotent, why don't they know if they are safe or not????
 

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Perhaps we should contact Dr. Oncken and provide her with some education.
Seems Dr. Oncken may have a relationship with nicotine gum...

Smokers who use nicotine gum during pregnancy are likely to smoke fewer cigarettes and reduce their risk of having a low-birth-weight or premature baby, according to research led by Dr. Cheryl Oncken, associate professor of medicine and obstetrics and gynecology at the UConn Health Center.

UConn Advance - October 27, 2008 - Study finds nicotine gum helps women who smoke during pregnancy

Hmmmmmmm.... Guess it is ok to pick up a nicotine gum habit when you are pregnant but not bubble gum flavored low or zero nicotine vapor. You'd think she'd be open to anything that can get someone to actually quit! Perhaps it is about this part of the study?

Nicotine gum was provided free of charge from Glaxo-Smith Kline (Philadelphia, PA). Presented in part at the Annual Meeting of the College on Problems of Drug Dependence, San Juan, Puerto Rico, June 14-19, 2008.

Corresponding author: Cheryl Oncken, MD, MPH, (MC 3940), University of Connecticut School of Medicine, 263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-3940; e-mail: oncken@nso2.uchc.edu.
Nicotine Gum for Pregnant Smokers: A Randomized Controlled T... : Obstetrics & Gynecology

Wonder if she would do a similar study if e-cigs were given to her for free?:confused:

“It’s important to examine treatments that may help pregnant women quit smoking or reduce their tobacco exposure, especially when these treatments are available for purchase over the counter and may be used in prenatal care,” Oncken says.
 

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I sent an e-mail to Dr. Oncken:


Dear Dr. Oncken,

Today I read the following article, and frankly, was very disappointed in the dismissive nature of your responses:

Call it E-Puffing, But Don't Do It Indoors | NBC Connecticut

I was a cigarette smoker for 40 years. Smoking killed my parents and my father-in-law, and yet I continued to smoke. I had made several half-hearted attempts to quit in the past, once for almost a year, but never felt like myself, and it always seemed like I was being deprived of something. And a single cigarette never failed to reel me back in. Last October a friend showed me an electronic cigar - I had never heard of such a thing, and was intrigued by it. I did some searching on the internet and stumbled onto e-cigarette-forum.com, which is a community of thousands of e-cigarette users. I did a lot of reading there, and out of curiosity eventually placed an order from one of the recommended suppliers. I smoked my second-to-last tobacco cigarette on November 9, 2009, four days after receiving my order, much to my astonishment. I carried around a pack of cigarettes for the first week or so, but was never tempted to light up. I had some mild cravings for the first couple of weeks, but they were completely manageable and passed quickly - I suspect that this was withdrawal from other chemicals found in tobacco cigarettes. In February, I decided to try a regular cigarette, just to see if I was really done with them. I couldn't finish 3 puffs - it was completely disgusting. That is perhaps the greatest gift the e-cigarette has given me. Now, after nearly 6 months, I have cut my nicotine strength by 75% from where I started, and have begun to occasionally use 0-nicotine e-juice. I don't know if I will ever quit, but for the first time I feel like I have some control over my habit. I have regained my sense of taste and smell, the crackling in my lungs is gone, I can breathe freely, have more energy and stamina, and sleep better - these are all the same things that someone who quit smoking might experience. And the migraine headaches that plagued me for the past 7 years are gone. I no longer inflict cigarette stink or second-hand smoke upon anyone. The only adverse affect I have experienced is occasional dry throat, which is alleviated by simply drinking more water.

My story is far from unusual. In a number of polls, 75-80% of e-cigarette users have completely stopped smoking tobacco cigarettes. The vast majority of users are long-time smokers over the age of 30, with many over the age of 50. These are not being marketed to children - if children have credit cards and can freely spend hundreds of dollars on e-cig equipment, then we have a serious parenting problem.

I would urge you to do honest research on e-cigarettes before making disparaging, cavalier statements about their use. Many people who have tried every method under the sun to give up tobacco cigarettes have found them to be the only thing that works. If some of these people had seen your comments beforehand, they may not have ever considered trying an e-cigarette:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/55402-so-what-your-story.html

I'm sure that you could find any number of e-cigarette users in your area who would be more than happy to be of assistance in a study. Are e-cigarettes perfectly safe? Of course not. But research on propylene glycol inhalation goes back to at least the 1940's, and most available information suggests that e-cigarettes are orders of magnitude less toxic than tobacco cigarettes. For example, there are about 8 nanograms of TSNA in 1 ml. of e-liquid, which is approximately equivalent to half a pack of traditional cigarettes for me. Compare that to 111,900 nanograms of TSNA in a half-pack of Marlboros, along with all the thousands of other chemicals present in a tobacco cigarette, and the byproducts of combustion. Considering the abysmal success rates of current smoking cessation methods, and given the state of our health care system, it would seem that an arguably safer smoking alternative would be welcomed with open arms. But curiously it is dismissed out of hand instead by some. You can have a profound impact on many lives by doing the research and either embracing the e-cigarette as a viable reduced-harm alternative to smoking tobacco, or by providing solid scientific evidence that they are more harmful than tobacco cigarettes.

Sincerely,
Brad Preston
 

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Wow, this is nuts. I read the article and said to myself, "I knew a Cheryl Oncken".
I graduated high school with her older sister. I spent a great deal of my younger years with her family. Three girls, all brilliant. Cheryl stuck out, because she was a redhead. Looking her up, I see that this Dr. Oncken is also a redhead. Tough to say if it's the same Cheryl Oncken or not, but what are the odds. I sent her a harmless email to see if she was from my hometown or not. I hope she responds so I can set her straight on a few things.

The Trashcanman
 

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I posted in response to another comment:

anonymous:
I think the problem with e-cigarettes is that there still is not enough scientific evidence to say that they are safe to use. If you remember there were obese people taking ephedra and losing weight but there were a lot of serious side effects and death associated with using it. Therefore, ephedra was banned. Once there is enough evidence stating that e-cigarettes are safe for everyone to use, I am positive that organizations (like the ALA), doctors, etc will advise people to use the product.

The other issue with the electronic cigarette that I may consider is whether people are actually quitting nicotine. It is great if you use it and are able to quit smoking but are you able to wean yourself off of the e-cigarettes? If so that is great and I hope one day the FDA will be able to approve them as a smoking cessation treatment.

My last comment is when a media outlet interviews people they take a sentance or two of what they say and publish it. They can pretty much reword it however they may and pick only certain things that you say to put you on one side of the story or another so keep that in mind.

I hope one day everyone can quit smoking and this will no longer be a concern and good luck to all of you who are diligently trying!

KristinNollMarsh To Anonymous: There is plenty of scientific evidence PLUS 5 years on the world market and 2 years in the U.S. with no reports of injury or illness attributed to electronic cigarette use. In fact, quite the opposite is true - with 90.9% of over 1,500 surveyed users reporting better breathing/lung function and the worst symptom of occasional dry/sore throat being reported by just 17.4%. How much more proof do you require?

As far as quitting e-cigarettes, have you not read that the danger in smoking is NOT the nicotine, but the toxins and carcinogens in the SMOKE? Nicotine may be addictive, but absent the smoke, it's health effects are comparable to caffeine. There is no more necessity for e-cigarette users to quit "vaping" than for caffeine users to quit drinking coffee or soda.

Imagine if people addicted to caffeine (and there are plenty) were SMOKING coffee beans and causing great damage to their bodies. Doctors would be telling people to DRINK the coffee instead, because it's much safer. The same thing applies to nicotine and e-cigarettes vs. smoking tobacco.

Check out www.CASAA.org for more information.
 
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