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This. This, a thousand times this! "Vaporizer" has a much different meaning to non-ecig-users, and isn't a term I'd want to throw around to casual passer-by on the street, in public, to co-workers, etc. Putting "nicotine" in front of it doesn't really help, as people will assume that its a "nicotine vaporizer" in the same way that a "tobacco pipe" contains tobacco, until corrected otherwise.
Its probably not as much of an issue in suburbia with low population/police density and less aggressive enforcement, but if you're in an area with lots of police activity, be careful what you call your stuff. Its not funny when the building supervisor talks to the landlord and you get a surprise visit from the cops the next day and a letter from the landlord about your use of "drug devices" outside the building.
I see a distinction between a PV and an E-cig... and I am sure many have stated this numerous times as well....
An e-cig resembles a cigarette and activates automatically upon drawing and is an integral battery in one unit.
A PV generally uses a replaceable large capacity battery, and can handle things such as dual coil tanks, and most use a button to activate....
In other words if its size/shape/operation are like that of a cigarrete it is an e-cig... just like an e-cigar resembles a cigar, an e-pipe resembles a pipe.... but when it does not resemble any of those... its just a plain old PV. yes the aforementioned are all PVs.... just like a chihuahua is still a dog.... as is a german shepard... their basic physiology is similar bit they dont look the same and one can do things another cant... or like pistols, revolvers, shotguns, bolt rifles, semi-auto rifles etc.... they are all firearms... they just have a subclass.... but just like firearms... not every device will fit into some recognized category (much as the AOW termed firearms) and PV is to an ecig what an AOW is to the gun world.
There needs to be a distinction, because legislation as it has gone towards both dogs and guns, define their respective categories and what is allowed/regulated and what is not. Some states/cities/counties/countries ban certain breeds of dogs based on characteristics... or ban certain (or all) firearms based on the characteristics of operation, function, etc.
Thus if an ecig is defined a particular way (say device resembling a cigarrete which disoenses vapor when thebuser draws on the device) mods which i would consider PVs, would be unaffected as far as devices. If ejuice is regulated as containing nicotine, well nicotine free productsnwould still be legit...
In this litigious world one must be careful because words mean everything (and anything). Also when legislation is passed, it cannot be ambivolous. For example if legislation would regulate any battery to power a PV, congrats your laptop now contains several controlled, regulated taxed items... if they are exempt you get exploitation, which leads to more regulation, and more exploitation and round and round it goes... and in the end you have black market unregulated goods being used far more than the regulated....
An e-cig resembles a cigarette and activates automatically upon drawing and is an integral battery in one unit.
A PV generally uses a replaceable large capacity battery, and can handle things such as dual coil tanks, and most use a button to activate....
In other words if its size/shape/operation are like that of a cigarrete it is an e-cig... just like an e-cigar resembles a cigar, an e-pipe resembles a pipe.... but when it does not resemble any of those... its just a plain old PV. yes the aforementioned are all PVs.... just like a chihuahua is still a dog.... as is a german shepard... their basic physiology is similar bit they dont look the same and one can do things another cant... or like pistols, revolvers, shotguns, bolt rifles, semi-auto rifles etc.... they are all firearms... they just have a subclass.... but just like firearms... not every device will fit into some recognized category (much as the AOW termed firearms) and PV is to an ecig what an AOW is to the gun world.
There needs to be a distinction, because legislation as it has gone towards both dogs and guns, define their respective categories and what is allowed/regulated and what is not. Some states/cities/counties/countries ban certain breeds of dogs based on characteristics... or ban certain (or all) firearms based on the characteristics of operation, function, etc.
Thus if an ecig is defined a particular way (say device resembling a cigarrete which disoenses vapor when thebuser draws on the device) mods which i would consider PVs, would be unaffected as far as devices. If ejuice is regulated as containing nicotine, well nicotine free productsnwould still be legit...
In this litigious world one must be careful because words mean everything (and anything). Also when legislation is passed, it cannot be ambivolous. For example if legislation would regulate any battery to power a PV, congrats your laptop now contains several controlled, regulated taxed items... if they are exempt you get exploitation, which leads to more regulation, and more exploitation and round and round it goes... and in the end you have black market unregulated goods being used far more than the regulated....
If the WHO objects to e cig use simply because it "looks" like smoking, then it is a short jump to understand that they would object to what you call a PV because it "looks" like a crack pipe and "appears" to mimic the inhalation of illegal drugs. With the anti-smokers line of thinking, e cigs have a better chance of surviving than the big model PV simply because the product it resembles is still a legal product (at least for now).
What we call it won't matter one iota. They'll have lawyers give it an unambiguous definition like, "an electronic device used to create a vapor, to be inhaled by the user, which may or may not contain nicotine (aka "e-cigarette, personal vaporizer.)"
The key is not that it looks like a cigarette but that it looks like SMOKING and creates a visible, "smoke-like" vapor. Unless you are willing to give up visible vapor, what you call it is irrelevant to the fight.
The key is not that it looks like a cigarette but that it looks like SMOKING and creates a visible, "smoke-like" vapor. Unless you are willing to give up visible vapor, what you call it is irrelevant to the fight.
Kristin ... Sometimes you crack me up !!
Electronic cigarettes by any other name (to the public) is an Electronic cigarette.
We (only in our movement) originally called them PVs to distance them from cigarettes.
Face it folks ... That reference never caught on with the public and never will.
When I first joined the ECF ... In a post I said Electronic Cigarette
WOW, did I ever get hammered !!
Later we started calling them e-cigs ... Same thing ... We still wanted to distance
the units from the word cigarette ... So we won't won't say the "C" word.
Some marketers including Blu started using the e-cig slang...Now they call them Blu cigs. (slang)
Some say E-cigarettes ...
A shortened name that says ... They ain't real !!
The public at large really doesn't know or care about our "slang"
I've run tests in public ... First blowing a huge cloud and then wait for "The Big Question"
Doesn't make any difference ... It's a "PV" or "e-cig" ...
They look at you like you have 2 heads and say ...
OH, you mean Electronic Cigarette or Fake cigarette.
My favorite (old school) marketer was advertizing them as e-cigs.
I asked them why not refer to them Electronic cigarettes instead acting embarrassed
using the slang?? Long pause ... they replied ... "You know your right! When we say
e-cig to someone thinking about switching ... they say You mean Electronic cigarette?
and regular customers couldn't care less when placing orders" !
They updated their website and dropped all slang references. They are now Electronic cigarettes.
Only those who feel "cool" and hip to the slang or embarrassed to say the "C" word ...
calls them PVs or e-cigs.
Krisin is right ... what ya call them is totally irrelevant to the fight
I hate the "personal" describer before vaporizor. Reminds me of a bathroom item or some kinda private thing, or something that comes out of a vendor macine in a public bathroom.
Usually, ANYTHING with word personal in front of it isn't something I'd be showing off in public.
Usually, ANYTHING with word personal in front of it isn't something I'd be showing off in public.
I typically have positive results when people see my ecig.
They ask me "What's that thing?"
I tell them, "This is what got me off tobacco cigarettes".
"Yeah? How does it work?"
"Well, it vaporizes a liquid that contains nicotine, flavors, and propylene glycol, which is in food products and a lot of cosmetic products. It produces water vapor with nicotine and flavors that resembles smoking, tastes good, and doesn't contain any harmful chemicals."
"What's that propylene stuff?"
"It's a clear liquid thickener, approved by the FDA for human consumption. It's in soft drinks, foods, and many products you use every day. It's in your toothpaste, also."
"Really? It's not harmful?"
"No, it's what creates the vapor. It's also used in fog machines you see in concerts and plays"
"Cool! So you don't smoke anymore because of this?"
"Nope, don't even think about cigarettes anymore"
"I need to tell my brother about this. He needs to quit smoking before it kills him. Got any information I can give him?"
They ask me "What's that thing?"
I tell them, "This is what got me off tobacco cigarettes".
"Yeah? How does it work?"
"Well, it vaporizes a liquid that contains nicotine, flavors, and propylene glycol, which is in food products and a lot of cosmetic products. It produces water vapor with nicotine and flavors that resembles smoking, tastes good, and doesn't contain any harmful chemicals."
"What's that propylene stuff?"
"It's a clear liquid thickener, approved by the FDA for human consumption. It's in soft drinks, foods, and many products you use every day. It's in your toothpaste, also."
"Really? It's not harmful?"
"No, it's what creates the vapor. It's also used in fog machines you see in concerts and plays"
"Cool! So you don't smoke anymore because of this?"
"Nope, don't even think about cigarettes anymore"
"I need to tell my brother about this. He needs to quit smoking before it kills him. Got any information I can give him?"
Nothing is more productive promoting the truth than being out their in public
doing the shown-n-tell.
Not everyone we talk to are smokers...
Educating the Public at Large to the truth is CRITICAL to our movement
doing the shown-n-tell.
Not everyone we talk to are smokers...
Educating the Public at Large to the truth is CRITICAL to our movement
For the longest time I myself had a negative toward the term ecig.
An argument can be made for both sides but when it comes to educating those who are oblivious and communicating with legislators and regulatory bodies, ecig is more appropriate.
I can't tell you how many conversations I've had of late with government officials and none of them knew what the heck a PV was so rather than give an explanation I simply refer to them as ecigs.
If ALL manufacturers and distributors adopted the term PV it would be another story.
An argument can be made for both sides but when it comes to educating those who are oblivious and communicating with legislators and regulatory bodies, ecig is more appropriate.
I can't tell you how many conversations I've had of late with government officials and none of them knew what the heck a PV was so rather than give an explanation I simply refer to them as ecigs.
If ALL manufacturers and distributors adopted the term PV it would be another story.
I prefer the word Personal Vaporizer over e-cig, just cause it is not a cigarette. If I tell someone that I am vaping a e-cig, they get the idea of cigarettes but if I say PV they think nothing of it, they think I have asthma or something, then I can tell them that I used to be a smoker but not anymore and it seems to interest them. Just my personal experience.
Wow, just read the entire thread and some really awesome points were made! I personally would rather call them PV's, and I do so, but if someone asks if that's the same as an electronic cigarette the answer is YES....they are the same thing. Either way, they are an absolute miracle that have changed so many people's lives for the better!
I can usually shut up an 'in your face' critic with these simple words..... "it's my inhaler ! are you actually attempting to deny me my medicine ?"
Works every time.... BUT, keep in mind that I'm of the 'physique' that I very rarely have a run in with ANYONE
Works every time.... BUT, keep in mind that I'm of the 'physique' that I very rarely have a run in with ANYONE
I prefer to call it a PV as opposed to calling it an e-cig. E-cig has negative connotations attached to it due to the media's propaganda.
If someone asks, I call it my inhaler. I consider it a medical device used to treat addiction and I refer to it as such. Just because the FDA(Those self regulated corrupt .......s, who are even dirtier than BT) refuse to consider it that doesn't mean I can't.
If someone asks, I call it my inhaler. I consider it a medical device used to treat addiction and I refer to it as such. Just because the FDA(Those self regulated corrupt .......s, who are even dirtier than BT) refuse to consider it that doesn't mean I can't.
I'd rather call it by it's real name, which is a personal vaporizer, not a new kind of cigarette...
What "we" call them means little to the movement
For a long time "we" were driving the e-cigarette market
TODAY
The "Business of E-cigarettes" is driving the market
Corporations...large and small, would say ...
"Thank You for all your efforts ... We'll take it from here"
PS:
If YOU decided YOU wanted to get into the e-cigarette business...
Would you hang a sign in the front window "Personal Vaporizers for Sale"
OF COURSE NOT !!
For a long time "we" were driving the e-cigarette market
TODAY
The "Business of E-cigarettes" is driving the market
Corporations...large and small, would say ...
"Thank You for all your efforts ... We'll take it from here"
PS:
If YOU decided YOU wanted to get into the e-cigarette business...
Would you hang a sign in the front window "Personal Vaporizers for Sale"
OF COURSE NOT !!
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Totally agree with you on that!Nothing is more productive promoting the truth than being out their in public
doing the shown-n-tell.
Not everyone we talk to are smokers...
Educating the Public at Large to the truth is CRITICAL to our movement
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